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Sean Hayes, Will Arnett and Jason Bateman host Ray Winstone on SmartLess, ranging from dreams and weddings to his boxing youth, Malta work on Amazon's Danger Money, and his career including Sexy Beast and Scorsese films. The episode closes with Winstone's Netflix series The Gentleman season two and the hosts praising his down-to-earth nature.
- The hosts open with small talk about a dream involving Amanda driving over flowers, weddings, and gym habits, then welcome Ray Winstone as the guest.
- Winstone describes flying from London to Malta, where he is filming the Amazon show Danger Money about an old SAS soldier who is still physically tough but suffers from rheumatism.
- He talks about having shingles after quitting drinking about two and a half years earlier, and says his mother-in-law warned that a full wraparound case can be fatal.
- Winstone recounts boxing as a youth, where he reportedly won 80 of 88 bouts, and says the sport taught him to avoid trouble.
- He explains that a school play at about 14 sparked his interest in acting, encouraged partly by his parents, and that kitchen-sink films like Saturday Night Sunday Morning showed him stories from his own world.
- He describes Sexy Beast, where he chose the role of Gary over Don, and praises Jonathan Glazer and Ben Kingsley's performance as Don.
- He recalls early director Alan Clark on Scum and working with Martin Scorsese on a gangster film, and says Gary Oldman is the best director he has worked with.
- The episode ends with Winstone promoting The Gentleman season two on Netflix, with the hosts praising his authenticity.
Dreams and Opening Banter
0:05Um, hey guys. It's really good to see you today. It's >> so great to see you, Sean. >> Good to see you, too. >> Thank God you made it. >> Thank you. I slept really well and I feel really good today. Hopefully, it looks like it. >> Do you remember your dreams? >> I do. I remember my dreams. I remember >> What did you dream about last night?
0:21>> I remember Amanda driving on my front lawn and and driving over all the um flowers and the things. >> All the >> Yeah. I swear to God, there is there is really impressive >> decor in front of your house currently that I saw a picture of >> and she drove through the entire thing and said she was having a really bad day.
0:39Can I come in and talk? And I'm like, sure. I swear to God that was my dream last night. >> Really? What kind of car was she was she driving? >> Like a like a like a like a small Taurus. Was that No, like a >> that's shitty. >> Well, f you, bro. >> Well, anyway, welcome to Smart Less. Smart.
Weddings and Working Out
1:02Smart less. >> Smart less. >> Willie, where are you? >> I'm in Napa. >> You're in Napa? >> What are you doing in Napa? You drinking wine? >> No, I'm here for a uh I'm here for a wedding. >> Oh, really? Oh, wait. Do you have an announcement to make from? No. Again, I don't >> So, are you in anybody we know?
1:32>> Are you in the wedding? Do you have to make a speech? >> No, I don't have to make a speech. No, no, no. I'm just here. I'm just a guest. I'm a plus one. >> All right. >> So, you are you a fan of weddings? >> Not really. >> For the most part. >> Uh, are you? >> Yeah, I'm not. >> Cuz why? Cuz you have to dance.
1:50>> Well, here here's here's my here's the thing about weddings. They're fine. But especially if it's a weekend in the summer, if you invite me, it means that you don't like me. That's the way I look at it because you want me to take a weekend. And if it's a destination wedding, >> that's an insult. >> Well, did you have to go to this one?
2:10>> I did. Yeah. This isn't necessary. So, I'm happy to be here and I'm happy for these people. I I do like these people, so I'm happy for them. >> Yeah. But you are aware though that they don't like you. >> I I can feel the vibe is not great towards me. Uh >> Shnie, when was the last wedding you went to?
2:25Remember when we were that age when it was it was it was wedding age and it was like it was a few a year. >> Yeah. Yeah. We I went this summer. I went to my nieces. Remember it was really hot in Iowa. Or was it Iowa? >> Yeah, it was Iowa. It was really really hot. But um yeah, I we we I can't do it. I can't do the heat anymore.
2:42It's just I can't do it anymore. >> It's the heat. So but but if anybody asks you to a cold destination wedding, you're in. >> I'll do I'll go. I'll go. And and and Sean, are you a dancer? >> Well, not anymore, but I mean, you know, look at this body. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You do you, but but you'll you'll you'll get on the on the dance floor at a party.
3:02>> I I I I um not really anymore. But but but maybe >> No, Sean, you're being he's being modest. >> If I put a gummy if I eat a gummy. Yeah. >> Really? And what about you, Will? Uh will you get on a dance floor at a party? >> Yeah, sure, man. >> Really? >> Yeah, of course. >> It'll count as your cardio.
3:18>> Yeah. It's not just that. It's just like that's part of the thing. It's fun to to dance and be involved and enjoy yourself. And I I think that if you don't dance and this is pointed directly at you, JB, if you're too self-con. It's not about you, man. And no and nobody's paying attention. It's fun.
3:33Let yourself go. It's one of the joys of life. >> Yeah, I got deep. >> You're going to be you're going to be on your deathbed and you're going to have your list of regrets. By the way, your list of regrets is long. >> But I'll tell you what won't be I won't be regretful that I that I'm holding a lot of water weight.
3:48You know, I'll be >> I'll have wooden teeth and a nice bone structure. >> Every time Every time I see JB and I were walking to Josh's 50th birthday the other day. We're walking through the parking lot. We see this old guy come out. He's hunched over and blah blah blah. And I go and literally we're like within a foot of him and I go, "That's you.
4:08>> That's you now." >> Um, you know, I said in the gym yesterday or the day before, do you guys >> What is this place? >> No. >> No. I said cuz I stopped working out like I have a little trainer guy that helps me and I stopped working out like after like 35 minutes or 40 minutes, right? >> Mhm. >> Sure.
4:28>> You had enough after a half hour? >> Yeah. And that's been my thing recently like I don't need to do like a whole hour of working out. You know what I mean? Like third. It's almost like remember when people used to say you got to finish your plate. Remember we grew up like you got to finish your plate and now it's like you you feel like that but it's like no that that actually is the thing that makes you fat, right?
4:46Well, working out. I don't think you need to work out an hour anymore. You know, it's like you work out until you're done working out. Like a half hour. >> Well, let's >> Are you trying to get results or are you just trying to get out of there? Like I mean, >> I don't know. Is it Is it because you you're annoyed that you're starting to sweat and you're you're afraid your clothes might get sweaty?
5:07It's like, "Ooh, I'm getting hot. Let's get out of here." That's a problem. >> That might be it. That might be it. >> I already got after it this morning. I already I already hit those kettle bells this morning, man. >> Oh, did you? What was it today? Was you were just blasting uh uh quads and >> everything?
5:23Just a full body engage the core, JB. You got to engage the core. >> You got a gym there at the hotel. >> You follow You follow my workout account on Instagram, >> you know. I got locked out. Um, >> imagine if I started a workout. [ __ ] me, man. I tell you. >> Uh oh. working out. I wish I wish I could have worked out to be as tough as this guy.
5:49>> Oh, >> I really I really really do because this guy >> and I want to be careful because I think like physically he could end me through a podcast microphone. No, he's pound-forpound the most I think terrifying and terrifyingly talented men in all of cinema, British cinema. He plays the gangster so convincingly that I like and layeredly that I legit think that he is one and I've convinced myself even though I know he's just an incredibly talented actor.
Introducing Ray Winstone
6:19He was Can I just say this? Put it this way. >> When he was growing up, he was poundfor-pound he I don't know he he won like 80 out of 88 uh boxing matches when he was a kid. >> Oh jeez. Uh he was a London school boy champion welterweight on three occasions. He's been an actor for over 50 years in the most uh amazing films that we love.
6:44He's worked with Martin Scorsesei multiple times. He's worked with the guy JB that we were just talking about and going over the other day we love so much with Jonathan Glazer uh most notably in the most incredible performance for me in Sexy Beast. He's reprising his role in The Gentleman that's out now on Netflix.
7:01You guys, it's none other than Ray Winstone. >> Jesus. Ray Winstone. Oh my goodness. >> Wow. >> Get out here. >> There's the reveal. >> Look at him. >> He's got the sunglasses on. >> Oh my god. Look at >> Hey, >> how you doing, guys? >> Good. How are you? >> Wow. Wow. >> Mr. Winstone. >> Hello, sir. >> Yeah, I was telling you I was telling your technicians.
7:23Um, you know, flying I've just I've flown back from London to Mortar. I'm working in Mortar >> really. And every time I seem to get on an airplane, I mean, I love driving, you know, >> if I have to go somewhere, I usually drive >> if I can, you know, >> but and you can take what you like. You can, you know, you can have your own bags, you can have this.
Flights, Malta, and Family
7:44You don't even have to zip them. You go through an airport. Yeah. You're told you can't take that, you know. You got too many fluids. You got this, you got that. They, you know, it's like a [ __ ] punishment getting on an airplane, you know. And then at the end of it when you get off the other end they give you the flu.
8:01I almost [ __ ] flu, you know. And it's >> Do you have the flu right now? No. >> Nothing. Yeah. I mean I got it. Last night we got in and I was feeling a little bit rough after they open the door, you know, and all the smell goes out the plane and everyone's firing for position and uh I just come over, you know.
8:21They just come over and it's it just makes you >> never want to fly again. I I totally hear you. I totally agree. I love driving. >> Driving is Can I just say JB, what what a what a coincidence, Ray, that you're in Malta because JB uh uh has some roots. >> My grandmother grandmother's from Malta and Oh, really?
8:43Yeah. I was I was Yeah, I I I went there when I was a little kid. It's it's it's really it's a really cool place and it's got major World War II significance. Yeah, Willie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's got the uh I think it's the uh Victoria Cross, wasn't it? For bravery, the island. >> Oh, yeah.
9:02>> Cuz where it's placed in the Med. It's a very important part of Second the Second World War. Not the Second World War, but the Crusades. And I goes back the history. >> Yeah. >> Goes back. My grandfather was in the British uh Air Force and he met my grandmother there. She was a a a local uh a local there and um and and then uh and then got married and then she got on a boat with she pregnant on a boat uh back to England with my mother >> and then she got the flu.
9:31>> Wow. >> And then got the flu. Got the flu. >> Got the flu. >> Jason Jason always said, "Look at his fingers. They're they're great for for pulling up nets." >> Multi fisherman. You got to have a little bit of fat on the finger so they don't get cut in the nets, you know. >> Ray, have you ever speaking of like air I know what you mean about air flying flying in a plane.
9:52Have you ever witnessed like it does seem like it's getting worse and worse. Have you ever been on a flight where it's just like chaos and people fight? I see those videos all the time and that's my biggest fear. >> It's on that Instagram. Yeah, you get them on there. You know, I was involved on one.
10:08>> Oh, come on. >> Coming out the news. No, no. Gospel Truth. This is Gospel Truth. And I was coming out to see a film called Neil by Mouth that we made back in the day. Gary Oldman directed it, you know. And we was on a an Air India flight. >> Okay. Cuz it was the last flight you could get you can actually have a cigarette on, you know.
10:28>> Yeah. >> And um we were sitting there and this and an Irish kid joined us. >> He said, "Could I come and sit down with you there and have a drink?" >> He said, "Yeah, we had a spare seat. He come and sat down." And there was a couple of kids opposite him sitting there and uh >> during the flight the Irishman got very very drunk.
10:45Bless him, you know. And uh and I went to the toilet and when I was on my way back he was fighting the other two kids >> across from us. He lost the plot. Yeah. He completely lost the plot. >> And so I've I've got hold of him and my other mates grabbed hold of the other two and we parted them and we got him down and said, "Nah, behave yourself.
11:06Calm down." And anyway, they took him away on the plane and put him in a jacket up the front. >> No way. That's crazy. >> And we were like treated like heroes cuz we saved the flight and then he was free to drink. >> And they didn't do an emergency landing. >> No. No. We landed in New York and and when we got off in New York, I got arrested.
11:26>> Did you? No. >> I got taken to the naughty boy room. Yeah. And all you know and I was actually put on the flight back to London. >> No way. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No way. When when's the last time you got in a fist fight, Ray? >> Uh, it's quite a few years ago now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I did say to a kid on a on a train once who was misbehaving.
11:45He was he was on one of our train systems out from Harford and I said, "Listen, kid. I haven't had a fight for 10 years." I said, "But for you, I will make a comeback." >> Yeah. >> That would scare the [ __ ] out of me. >> Jeez, man. as you're taking your jacket off. U you don't get time to take your jacket off.
12:07You just got to go. But I'm sure I mean I don't want to be rolling about in the mud, the blood, and the beer anymore, you know. >> No, no, no. You know, Ray, I was going to say that, you know, we have a friend of ours who's who's been on the podcast, an old friend of mine. He's a retired professional ice hockey player.
12:19Great guy. Brendon Brendan Shanahan. Tough tough guy. He holds the record for what they a stat they call the Gordy How hattrick. Gordy How is a legendary hockey player. And the Gordy How hattrick means in a game you get an assist, a goal, and a fight, right? And so he holds the record for the most Gordy How hat tricks.
12:39Brendan Channy Channy, >> my god, they're they're tough guys. They are tough. >> They're tough guys. So he he he retired he retired years ago. He's our age. He retired years ago. We're good friends. And he called about a few months after he retired, he called me one day. You know, it's kind of a Wednesday afternoon.
12:56He seemed kind of down and out. And I said, uh, I said, "What's going on, Shannon? are you okay? And he goes, "Nah, I don't know." He said, "I just it just occurred to me that I'm probably never going to fight again." >> Yeah. >> And I said, "Listen, you're 42. You shouldn't be fighting anybody." >> That is crazy.
13:14>> It's probably true. You know, >> I've always wished to have be in a fight. Like I'd never been in a fight, but like in my brain I'd be really good. >> But then I don't know like if it would actually happen, I don't know what I would do. But you know how you like you're like if I got robbed or something I'd know exactly what to do cuz I've seen so many movies.
13:29But I I I don't know. >> Yeah. It it it ends up on the ground pretty quick, doesn't it, Ray? >> Yeah. It's first one in, >> right? >> You know, and and if you you are the first one in and you get it wrong, you are in trouble. >> Yeah. And sh Let me tell you, you know, it may be in your head, but you really don't want to do it.
13:50Just leave it alone. Not now. >> I did hear that the the key Yeah. The key is to hit first and just don't stop, right? >> Yeah. They run. >> They run. >> Yeah. >> Most most guys I know who are good fighters, who are tough guys don't want to get into a fight. Like they they do everything they can to avoid it.
14:08They sort of That's the guy you're worried. The guy who's kind of like, "Yeah, let's go. Let's go." No, it's the guy who says, "Nah, let's not. Nah, let's not. That's the guy I'm worried about." Uh, >> very true, Will. >> Yeah. >> I wouldn't be good. >> No. No. >> Uh, all right. So, you're in Malta. You're about to start work.
14:26Um, how do how do you like working away from home? Do you do you like this uh this travel? >> My wife loves it, you know, because she gets rid of me for a couple of months, but uh >> she doesn't come with you like Malta seems like a good >> Yeah, she's here now to be fair. The first four weeks we I was here on me own, you know, and uh >> you know, we got a 94 year old mom, you know, at home, so she needs looking after and she can't travel, so >> there's all that kind of stuff going on.
14:53But thank God we got a big enough family, we can kind of get on with that, you know. But I've always traveled with a family, you know, when the kids were younger, >> if I was working in the States or I was working in Europe, you take the kids with you and it's the greatest education in the world with them, you know, they meet people from all over the world.
15:10>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Of course. >> Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah. >> Do you do you um you've got uh how many kids do you got? You you've got a few daughters. Is that right, Ray? >> I've got three daughters. Yeah, I got grandsons as well. So, you know, it's kind of balanced itself out. I mean, I don't know about you guys, if you got kids.
15:26He's got >> daughters. >> I've got three I've got I've got three boys. Uh Jason's got two girls. >> Yeah. >> I can't I'm looking forward to being a grandfather cuz I I I was sort of I'm looking forward to the the that infant stage again. Um cuz the first time around I was just like well it's crazy trying to get through it.
15:45>> Yeah. But now in retrospect I know how great it was once they started walking and talking. Um was really kind of cool like after like 12 months. But now I'm like no I bet you there's some there's something more in those 12 months that I I need another another crack at. So I I I can't >> You know what Jace though?
16:02You know the thing is when we were when we had our kids >> Yeah. >> we were working. >> Yeah. And so it was, you know, we missed a lot of that. >> Missed a lot of them kids that them times, you know, and >> the thing about having a grandson, we can kind of sit back a little bit now. You know, we've done we've done what we've had to do, you know, >> and you got time now with him.
16:25>> So it's kind of saying sorry, you know, in a way, but now I got him. And when he gets on your nerves or she gets on your nerves, you can give back. >> Yeah. That's so nice. >> Yeah. My dad had that. Go ahead, Shny. >> I just say my dad had that philosophy when I was five. >> Just give them back. >> Yeah.
16:42>> Yeah. >> Oh, you're dead. >> Um, what are you doing there in in Malta? You said you spent you've already done four weeks on it. Uh, it's a >> Yeah, we're doing a a show called um Danger Money for Amazon. >> Yeah. >> Oh, great. >> Yeah. It's about an old SAS guy. you know, in all these films where you got men my age jumping out of bushes, karate, chopping people, and you know, shooting everyone and I mean, they're fabulous to watch.
Danger Money and Shingles
17:08I love him, but we've kind of taken it the other way a bit. I mean, he's he's an old boy who thinks like Sean was saying, in his head, he can still do it, you know? Right. >> And uh and he can to a certain degree, but it hurts. You know, we suffer with rheumatism, you know, we, you know, and that's we get shingles and things like that.
17:28[ __ ] like that. I've just got over shingles, you know. >> Oh, really? You didn't get the vac? >> You didn't get the vaccine? >> No. No. I was I was due to have it. But >> what happened with me was I stopped drinking about 2 and 1/2 years ago. Yeah. >> And one day I just went, do you know what? I'm really fed up with this.
17:44I'm not enjoying it anymore. I'll keep I'm telling the same stories and talking the absolute bollocks. I need just to have a little break from this. So I stopped drinking and I started training. >> Good for you. >> Doing a bit of your stuff will get me fit on not running but on the walking machine you know >> and I got me I lost two and a half stone.
18:07>> I felt fighting fit again for throw a couple of righthanders and then I got [ __ ] shingles. >> Oh god. You know, so by stopping drinking, looking after myself, stopped smoking, all the [ __ ] got rid of out of my life, and then I fell ill with shingles. Well, if you've ever had it, >> it's the worst.
18:26Worst. >> Now, why? What is it? What What What's this? What's the symptoms? >> Painful, right? >> Shingles. Is it It's a It's a >> You feel like you got a red hot poker being stuck through your back, >> right? Yeah. You get a lesions come up. >> Uh-huh. Ah, >> and my my mother-in-law mom 94 said to me, Raymond, I had it once around the midrift.
18:49>> She said, "Is it going all the way around your body?" And I said, "No, Mom. It's It's not. It's only halfway, you know, across the back." She said, "It's good." I said, "Why? What? What? What happens when it goes around all the way around?" She said, "You die." Oh jeez. Oh jeez. Thank you. >> Oh my god.
19:08Merry Christmas. Yeah, >> absolutely brutal. >> What's the treatment for it? Do they do they have >> you get some cream? You get cream for the alleions and all that sort of stuff. >> But it don't go away. >> And how long did you have it? >> It still creeps back on you. Well, since November, it kind of settled down in February when I started working cuz you had other things to think about.
19:31>> Yeah. >> And when I finished work, it came on again. Started another job. It went away. >> Oh jeez. And now I'm I was just feel a bit in me back. >> Yeah. So, it's been quite a while. >> Yeah. Maybe start drinking a little bit more, dude. >> Yeah. Maybe you need to pick up I'm going out tonight for I'm going out tonight for a meal and I'm going to do a bottle of red wine.
19:52I know. There you go. >> There you go. Life is short. >> Yeah. [ __ ] it. Why not? You know, I mean, God, the sigs are tough to give up, aren't they, man? I've just That's been >> Yeah. Do you know Do you know what I done though? I got rid of the cigarettes. That was all right because all I do with that is I've got something to do with me hands, you know?
20:07I'm not stealing anything when I got a cigarette in me hand. So that's fine. But then I started smoking little cigars. >> Yeah. >> And the trouble with little cigars is you forget you're smoking a cigar and not a cigarette and you take it down like a cigarette. Right. >> Cigars, man. We'll be right back.
20:32>> And now back to the show. Ray, I wanted to get back into I we we talked about in all this sort of fighting and boxing and stuff, but you did legit you started you were boxing before you were acting. Yeah. >> And I'm interested how how you made that that Well, first of all, how the I think your dad box a little bit too.
Boxing and Early Acting
20:51Is that is that right? >> Yeah. Listen, where where we came from, I'm sure it's the same in New York, you know, around the Bronx and all that as it is in Liverpool and Manchester and Coventry, you know, in in England and uh kids from a certain manner, you know, I lived near the docks. So, you kind of your sport was boxing, you know, where if you went to North London, it's probably more football, you know, >> and other sports, but so we boxed.
21:16And I guess it was a way it goes back generational because you got to learn to survive and you you learn how to fight or what boxing actually teaches you is how to avoid it >> actually cuz you you get an instinct for it. You get an instinct for where trouble's going to be and and you know how to conduct yourself.
21:37You know how to maneuver yourself away from those situations, you know. So really it was a it was a great education in that way. Not only that, a boxing club. The great thing about boxing clubs is you get kids from all walks of life, you know, different different religions, different color, you know, different beliefs.
21:55But at a boxing club, it's all forgotten about. It's just pushed away. And >> yeah, >> it you kind of get the feeling if the world was run like that, we wouldn't have any problems, you know? >> We never had any problems with boxing clubs, you know. And what so so then so you're doing that and then what what's the thing that you go what was the first >> what what gave you that first sort of inclination to start uh performing acting like what what was there one particular >> I kind of done I done a school I went
Sexy Beast and Ben Kingsley
22:26into a school play when I was about I guess I was about 14 years of age there was a there was a girl in the play that I I kind of fancied you know >> it's quite lovely >> and you know it's always the way it boys you go into a certain thing because you see someone and you think, "Oh," you know, I never thought about it before.
22:45I loved going to the cinema. Love watching films, you know. I used to go with my dad every Wednesday. He'd come home from the market and he picked me up and you know in the afternoon we go and watch a film and always you know so and I done this play called Emmy on the detectives and I played the paper boy you know you read all about it and I got a few laughs you say you know >> and um I think my mom and dad saw that cuz I was a bit of a kid on the streets you know and they thought this you know
23:18it's got something here this kid you know >> and they put we had paid for when you know money was it was 900 quid a term and in those days it was back in the 70s it was a lot of money three terms a year >> and my mom and dad were only working people you know and uh >> I think it was a way of keeping me off the streets although I had the boxing club which kind of done that but to give me some some another outlook on life in a way cuz again it was a place you met kids from all over the world and you
23:49know it was a great education in that way, you know. >> Did you have brothers or sisters that were uh that were running around um uh doing something similar? >> My my my sister Laura, she's my younger sister. >> It's probably more talented than I am. I would I would say so, but she never went into that.
24:06She's a mum, you know, she's got three she's got the three boys >> and uh we're still we're still very close. She lives down the road from me in London, you know, in Essics. And uh >> so yeah. And and when you would go with your dad to the cinema as a kid, do do you remember like was there a film that you're like, "Oh my god, this changed my life."
24:24Listen, we used to we used to go and watch 633 Squadron, Becket, you know, it's Pete Ro and >> Yeah. >> and Richard Burton. That was the films at the time. And you had the kitchen sink dramas coming through in the 60s, you know, >> right? >> A look back in Anger and Saturday Night Sunday morning. They were they were really stories about people from where we came from.
24:47All of a sudden, we weren't just watching American movies. We or movies about the um aristocracy. >> We were actually watching films about >> where we came from. You know, this is a great film. Saturday night, Sunday morning, black and white movie, Albert Finny >> and Rachel Roberts. Love Albert Finny.
25:05>> And you know, it's about a working man in a northern town. But you even as a Londoner, you can relate to it. Yeah. >> And it kind of opened the doors to I could be in something like that. Maybe I've got a voice about the social things that go on in my country, you know, and that's I think what interested me in films in the first place.
25:26Films like Neil by Mouth, films like Scum, they're all they're about how we live socially. And I I think that's what kind of gave me the bug for it. >> Yeah. when you see these stories that aren't like you said they're not about uh aristocracy or all these or American they feel much more relatable in a way and you think like yeah I could do I could get into that >> you know I remember watching the raging ball with my mate me and my mate Tony Yates we used to box together at the
25:55repton and any boxing film that was out we'd have it you know we'd be there you know and although the raging boy is a boxing film and it's probably one of the greatest films you could ever go and watch you know cinematically or any other way. The way it's shot, the way it's acted, it's brilliant, you know.
26:11>> Yeah. >> But you kind of realize, I mean, after I I know I've been in films in London where they saying we got to subtitle it, you know, for the American audience. I went, why? >> You know, the thing about film is if you watch it, the first 5 minutes of a foreign film, you if it's a good film, you'll start to understand it >> and you'll hear it.
26:33You'll hear it in your ear. You know, uh, The Raging Ball when they start talking in that within 5 minutes you're tuned into it. >> Yeah. >> And you realize it's not just a fil it's not a film about boxing actually. >> It's about a film. It's a film about the way people live. >> Mhm. >> You know, >> and it's a, you know, and that's what makes a great film.
26:56>> Yeah. >> You know, you can put a subject matter around it. You can put that in there. Sexy Beast is a it's a love story. It's not a gangster movie. Yeah, >> it's a love story, you know, and that's kind of what you got to get the vibe of great films, you know. That's what it should be. >> I was going to say that, Ray.
27:10I was going to We were sort of jumping ahead to Sexy Beast, but I I was going to say you're a performer of Sexy Beast. It's not It's not a gangster film. It's not a mobster film. It is a it's I mean, it's everything. It's it's a love story and it's also this guy gal he's he's studying with not struggling with but he's kind of he's he's lived two lives and now he's in this other part of his life and and sort of got to reconcile with his with his past and and and if he can't put it to bed then he can't
27:40continue in this in this piece that he's finally achieved and all of this stuff and it's a uh I I find it a I've I've long maintained that that film should be shown at at film school. You could just show that one semester and say that's it. Just look at this film. Watch it. >> Clever boy John. It was his first film as well to make.
27:59>> I mean he he's very clever man. But >> that film for me is you know I mean Don Logan's the nightmare comes into town. >> Yeah. >> But we know he's coming. But for me it also because we never made up our mind what who was doing what and what was anyone thinking about it. We just thought let the audience do that, you know.
28:19But for me it was always I think in deep down inside Gary really wanted to do the the robbery. He wanted to do the blank and that's in his blood >> you know. >> Yeah. >> That's in his blood. And I think that the the thing that kind of got in the way a bit was the love for D because he has to protect her.
28:37So his excuse is I'll do the robbery because I know I'm I'm actually protecting D by doing the robbery. [ __ ] I think, you know, when you're a good thief, when you're a good robber, I grew up with a really good mate of mine, Danny Jones. He won't mind me calling him by his name. >> We sat together at school.
28:57We grew up together and he was one of the Hat and Garden old men who done the robbery. >> Wow. >> He's actually just come out of prison again, you know. >> Oh, wow. >> And I know Danny's story from being a kid, you know. Um, this family were hungry, you know, and the only way out was to go and do his I'm not making excuses for him.
29:18He's a thief, you know. You get caught, you go to prison, that's it. But, you know, there's a mentality behind them. You know, you you do something for a purpose, to feed someone, to feed your family, and then you kind of fall in love with doing it. And it's the challenge is >> finding a way into that building without getting caught and getting out with the prize.
29:44>> Yeah. >> You know, Bruce Reynolds, who was a great train robber, you'd sit there, you'd sit there and have um a glass of red wine with Bruce, and Bruce would talk to you like that. You talking like that. Lovely glasses he used to wear. >> But while he was talking to you, he'd be he'd be looking at the room.
30:00What we call casing the joint. You probably still do. You probably call it that in America, you know. Case in the joint is he has to work out a way. It doesn't matter if he's sitting in your front room, he has to work out a way how you get in that room and out of that room without getting caught. >> And it's it's quite fascinating, you know.
30:20And that's what Gary is. That's what G is in Sexy Beast, you know. >> I I I was in college. I got arrested for stealing a turkey sandwich. >> No. >> Oh, man. >> You bastard. >> What kind of time did you do for that? got turkey sandwich. >> I had a turkey sandwich. I was hungry like you said. I was starving and I got arrested and I I went to the jail and I had to get a friend give me a hundred bucks to get out.
30:42I was 18, 17. >> Now you know your friend zone. You see that? Sounds like you didn't joint, man. >> I didn't. >> You know, how was the turkey, by the way? Was it fresh? >> They took it out of my hands. They actually took it out of my hands. I was throwing the tomatoes out of him and the cops drove by and saw me throwing tomatoes >> because I don't like tomatoes on the sandwich.
31:03Yeah. >> And if you if you had if you had eaten the tomatoes, you would have got away with it. >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> Look at this. There you go. >> And the guy stood the cop stood right in front of me and I talked I told the story already, but the cop stood right in front of me and I was so drunk and I looked up.
31:19I was like, "What's you know what's up?" And he's like, "Well, we saw you steal that turkey sandwich cuz they had surveillance in the back, right?" And um I was like, "Okay." So they put me in the car and then I do the the drunk guy thing. I'm like, "There's not enough other bad stuff going on campus.
31:34You got to arrest the guy stealing the turkey sandwich." Like I was giving him lip. But like, you know, anyway, it's a non-story. But >> Sean, if you do that three times, you steal three turkey sandwiches, you know, in different days. Is that three strikes and out for 30 years or something? >> Good question.
31:53Good question. >> Hey. Hey Ray, when when you when you started to get some um you know when you kind of made a commitment to to to really pursue the acting stuff, what you know, I would imagine there in England there's there's a there's a big culture for classically trained acting and and and theater and Shakespeare, etc., etc.
32:17Did you did you subscribe to that? Did you were you were you excited to explore that? Have you ever gone into that? because it seems very much at odds with your uh with your uh with your your working-class roots maybe. >> Yeah. Do you know the biggest problem when I started was me really Jayce, you know, to be perfectly honest with you.
32:38>> I I never felt that I me personally that I should be in the arts. Me in the arts, >> what have I got to do with the arts, you know? >> And um so I kind of put that on myself without anyone doing it to me, you know. So I was I wouldn't call myself an angry young man cuz that makes you sound like you're rebel without a cause with all that cobblers.
32:57You know, it wasn't that so much. It was >> that people had different conversations than I would have. You know, I'd be talking about something completely different to what they were on. You know, they would be talking about the theater and how lovely what a performance and I'd be talking about a football match or you know Exactly.
33:17That's what I mean. you know, that that was me, you know, and and so I kind of didn't really fit in and I didn't really try to fit in, you know, it was it was okay. It was >> and I and I was quite happy with myself with that, you know. >> Sure. And your talent, your your your your your quality, your your your technique or the the what I so love about you is that that authenticity and um I I never I never catch you acting.
33:44You're It just seems like you're just so natural and and comfortable with it. Where did that come from? It It sounds like it did not come from uh classical training that you kind of deconstructed and kind of made your own. You're just natural with it. Yeah. >> Well, I just had my own ideas, you know, and I remember doing a You might have heard this story.
34:03I don't know, but I don't mean to bore you, right? But >> I done they used to do a lambda exam at college, you know, lambda exam. I mean, >> I thought So, what does that mean? If if you get 10 out of 10 for the Lambda exam, does that get you a job? >> Right. >> I I don't know. You know, why would you take a [ __ ] exam to be an actor?
34:23>> I've said that. >> Surely you put a camera there and go and act, son. Are you any good or what? You know, right? >> But we had to do this speech was um >> Julius Caesar, you know, wherefore rejoice what conquest brings he home. What tributaries follow him to Rome and and all that. And I see all these people doing it the same thing, you know, and doing it very well, you know.
34:42It was good, you know, and I just I got this knack with Shakespeare, you know, everyone writes books about what it means, but you know, and I and I I did a a a play for TV set in Birmingham on an estate about McBth and I, you know, I played the king and I just had my own ideas about what to be or not to be means.
35:07you know to be not to be to be something or to be nothing I don't know [ __ ] you know and so I was set this in a pub this scene >> and it's about geyser who actually is you know prayed all the all the all the people on the around the man who have all gone you know we love this guy and all of a sudden he gets done and the new guy comes in they all cheer him and that's what the scene's about and I done it and I got zero right I got zero I'm not saying I done it well But I didn't
35:38even get one for imagination, you know, just trying to change it. >> And you know, and I thought there's two ways you can go there. There's two ways. You can either say, well, you know, maybe I'm not supposed to be in this business, you know, or you can go, [ __ ] off, >> right? >> I ain't having it.
35:54>> And I think where the boxing and all that comes in, when you know, best form of defense is attack. >> Yeah. >> You know, when it's on you, you got to step forward. So that's was kind of my mentality and it was probably a lucky day when that happened, you know, >> just that thing of thinking I'm a I'm a great believer if you don't know the rules then you break them and that's when you invent something and that's when you start doing something that's hopefully original.
36:22It's not always good and it doesn't always work but when it does work it's [ __ ] good, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. And I that's kind of my mentality about it, you know. I mean, I've watched stuff I've done and thought thought I was when I was doing it, I thought I was really good that I was really good today and I've seen it back and it's terrible.
36:44>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> How do you get away with how do you get away with it? You know, >> who who was the first person that you worked with, actor, director, whoever it was, that you were like, "Holy [ __ ] this I think I'm I think I'm in there now." Like I think I've quote unquote made it. >> Well, it's two I can go to really was Alan Clark was the first one.
37:04I done a film called Scum. >> Yeah. >> And I wasn't an actor at the time, you know, he he kind of found me and he taught me on set, you know, by manipulation, by finding senses in me. And he knew how to upset me. He knew how to calm me down. He knew how to give me a cuddle and all that sort of stuff.
37:24So, and the lucky thing for me was when I've worked with a director that's not so good, I can kind of call on that myself now. You know, I kind of understand where that is. >> But it can also get in the way sometimes because you feel every part and every film you do, you have to play it real. It has to be spot on, you know, and it really [ __ ] you about sometimes because the genre might be slightly different, >> you know, and you get that wrong, >> right?
37:55Um, the other one I think the best the best director for an actor I've ever worked with is Gary Oldman. Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's so it's from an actor's point of view, you know. So, yeah. >> We'll be right back. >> And back to the show. What was it like standing across from uh from from Ben Kingsley uh watching him do that performance?
38:24I did you have any warning about the way he was going to be playing that character or did you do like was there rehearsals? Was there a table read? Um or was it just right there on the first day you're sitting standing there in front of that just machine gun of talent? Yeah, cuz that that that that dynamic between you two was just electric.
38:49>> Yeah, >> it was I I'll tell you a little thing, right? When we when Sexy Beast come about, there was three films. There was Gangster Number One, Sexy Beast, and 44in chess. And I was supposed to do the three of them. Gangster number one had a falling out with producers and all that. So, we couldn't do that.
39:04I had a choice of doing that or doing Sexy Beast. So, I done Sexy Beast. But, I was going to play Dawn. >> Oh, wow. I had the part of Don. I said, >> "Do you know what? I want to play Gary." >> Mhm. >> I said, "I I've done Don [ __ ] elsewhere. He's [ __ ] you know, he's a [ __ ] nut and he just swoops right and that's fine.
39:28I I can do that standing on me." But >> yeah, >> you know, Gary's the lover. He's the man. And the words are so beautiful in Sexy Beast. the words you want to say, you know, >> you don't have to change a word. If you change a word, it doesn't work. >> You have to say the words that were on the page. That's very unusual, you know.
39:50>> So, when Don was I heard that Don was going to get played by Ben, who I absolutely love to death, I got to tell you. But I thought, [ __ ] hell, I I got Gandandy coming in, you know. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Better tighten up. I got to stand here and Gandi's got to bully me. Oh, I don't know how that's going to happen, you know.
40:12[ __ ] hell. >> Okay. >> But then he doesn't turn up because he's locked in on this other film. So, we're in Spain shooting round him, you know, all the scenes about him coming. It's a bit like Jaws. You're waiting to see the shark, you know, >> and then he turns up and you know the rest. >> Yeah. >> Phenomenal.
40:33Absolutely. what he done with that character there. There's people that you meet in your life that become very hard work to talk to you. In fact, you're you're frightened to ask them a question, you know, how you been today. All right. Why? What do you want to know? What that kind of >> you know, and we've all met people like that, you know, and you think they're [ __ ] hard work.
40:57>> That's Dawn, but a million times more, you know, and I thought he was stunning in it, you know. >> Yeah. Oh, incredible. Did you have um did you have a sense of of of the kind of director that Jonathan Glazer was was was about to become? >> Yeah, I I I think as an artist, yeah, because we'd seen his commercials.
41:16He he told you a story in 30 seconds. >> The thing was, can he tell you a story in an hour and a half, 2 hours? >> That's the big thing. Stretch it out. >> We know >> the way he films and shoots something, we know it's going to be beautiful. You know, he's going to get it right. Yeah, >> he's a genius.
41:32But how's he going to be with actors? >> How's he going to be able to talk to us, you know, and sit us down and sus us out? >> And how was that? >> Within a week. Yeah. Within a week, >> he got that. >> Yeah. >> Wow. He got it. >> His very first movie. >> Yeah. And it was his first film, you know, feature film.
41:50>> Yeah. >> Um I think we had a lot of respect for him anyway, you know. >> So it was quite easy for him, you know. >> The casting was great. >> Yeah. casting was amazing, but as as you know, like with film and you know, the tone is so important, right? And maintaining that tone consistently and especially in that film when you've got you and Ben and this incredible cast and >> keeping in such a specific tone and it either floats or it doesn't, you know?
42:20>> Yeah. Do you know? Do you know it's a really good point. It's a good point, Will, because I I kind of it takes me back now. I kind of remember cuz cuz Dons was do it, do it, do it. He had a pace about him and he had a a turn on him, you know. And I remember thinking to myself, I'm not going to get into that rhythm.
42:40>> I think I'm talking on the offbeat. >> So if you both start talking at the same beat, if you like, >> like Shakespeare, >> you know, if they do Shakespeare and it's now is the winter this, everyone starts talking the same. It's like a poem. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's not like people talking. So, I felt to make it kind of work, I've got to make mine the reality and is surreal.
43:08>> Sure. >> You know, and I had to think that everything that's going on is in my head, >> you know, with the rabbit and all that. It's the nightmare. Dawn turning up this. It's like you're having a nightmare >> and then you're waking up to this [ __ ] hell, you know? And so the way you talk, you can't put it on the same rhythm as him.
43:30You got to have your own rhythm. >> Yeah. >> You know, and it disjoints it a bit, >> you know. >> I can't don. >> But it became Yeah. Like it became its own rhythm. The off rhythm became its own rhythm. And you guys and do do you It occurs to me that you know you worked for a long time. He made a lot of films and a lot of TV shows etc.
43:49before Sexy Beast which was I think in 2000 and then I think it was almost one of those things when that film comes out everybody goes hey we've been sleeping on Ray Winstone this guy is this guy's a heavyweight and and and all of a sudden you go on a run uh and you make a lot of films and you you know within a couple years you're working with Martin Scorsesei which you did a few times.
44:12Uh was was that a you know when you made that film and you you come out of that and the reception that Sexy Beast gets >> is it one of those things like and when everybody goes hey all of a sudden in a way it's a rediscovery of you and you're like yeah I I've been here all along I know what I'm doing you know.
44:34>> Yeah there is but you know I don't know about you guys but I I kind of went through a few years where where I just kind of fell out of love with it all. And maybe that was to do with cuz I was >> I was enjoying myself too much and I was having a party, right? >> You know, and I loved life and I loved being there and the the kind of the work always has come second to be honest with you, >> you know, that's the work.
44:56It's what you do with a living, you know, >> but what comes with that, you know, oh, you jet off to New Zealand, you do this and you go to a nice restaurant, you have a bit of manali, it's lovely, you know. So the work even to this day is still secondary. It's there for a purpose. You get to 70 years of age.
45:14You look back, you go, "Yeah, I ain't doing it now cuz I [ __ ] love it." You know, I'm doing it now cuz I got to I don't go to work. You know, this is what we do. And if I if I don't go to work, I'll probably die. But there was a time where >> I kind of, you know, I let it go. And I and and the actual work suffered.
45:31you know, the quality of what I was doing, I felt had suffered >> and I thought to myself, you know, I don't really want to do this anymore, >> you know, cuz I'm not enjoying it and I'm not enjoying being there. I'm not enjoying, you know, drinking all the time. I'm not drawing being down the pub and caning it with everyone else.
45:49I don't want to do that no more. So, and then you know what? And then you go and make a little British film, you know, which I've just done, you know, going under 4 and 1/2 weeks. He took the film, make a major motion picture and loved every minute of it. And then all of a sudden, you go, "Oh, >> well, that's what it's really all about."
46:12>> Yeah. Right. Right. You know, right. >> It's going to work, everyone. You love everyone at work and you know, and it's quality, you know. >> Speaking about work though, what I mean, sorry to ask such a pedestrian question, but like you know, What did you do before? Like was there any really weird job growing up that you were like doing it to make ends meet before you made some money acting?
46:35>> Yeah. I mean when when you was kid my my dad dad worked in you know all my uncles were either me worked in the meat market, fruit market or the fish market you know most of them anyway you know dads and uncles and that. So we never went hungry you know there was plenty of spillage going on you know right?
46:51So there would always be cartons of booze turning up and everyone was at it. It's 12 years after the Second World War, you know. >> So everyone was on it, you know. So and that's you kind of learn to survive >> and the only way you learn to survive is is not sitting in your ass indoors. You go out and get something, whatever that is, you know.
47:11And so I've always been >> a good gfter, you know. I've always been up when I worked in, you know, Splitfields Market when I was 14, you know, pulling bars and that's what we done, you know. And then we'd be out and about ducking and diving. >> That's fine. That's blinding. But I've seen that world and I've seen I've been lucky enough to go to places in the world where you wouldn't go on holiday.
47:35>> You go there because you're working or you filming there, you know, and you meet people in these countries that are from these countries. You fall in love with them, you know. >> Yeah. >> And it's such an education, >> you know. I couldn't read when I was 11, >> you know. >> Wow. But through reading scripts, I can read now just about, you know, I can read now, you know.
47:56>> So, you know, it's the the what the business has done for me, if any, it's educated me, you know. >> Right. Has it has it has has it has all your success and all this luxury, has it made you soft at all? Has have you? >> Yeah, I hope so. I really hope so. No, no. I mean, like I like could could do you think you could you think you could manage in the in the rough and scrabble sort of world uh that that that you started in.
48:22Do you do you go do you go back there a lot or are you still there? >> Yeah. I mean, as I said, most of my friends come from where I was growing up, you know, and >> they still are, you know, and some of them some what some of what some are cab drivers, >> you know, some work as porters or we're in the fish market, you know, I got that's what my mates do.
48:43And the beauty of that is when I finish work and I'm eating for a drink, no one [ __ ] talks about this business. >> Yeah. They might say I've seen a really good film. See, they filmed the other night to tell. Yeah. Bos bos but you have a little rabbit about that you we talk about other things you know and it's great you know them sit down having a cigar did you see that wonderful play last we >> yeah yeah >> I know nothing wrong with that but you know at the same time [ __ ] me that's not
49:12for me you know >> are you you're a big uh you're a big West Ham fan supporter is that right >> yeah the Hammers the Hammers >> going on a bit of a tough run they got relegated to the championship for uh for Tracy. We always say Sean's sister is Tracy and we always we always let her know in case she doesn't know the reference.
49:30West Ham were a Premier League team. They got relegated this year to the second division which is oddly enough called the Championship. >> Uh it's misnamed, but uh I'm a I'm a big Liverpool supporter, you should know. But u but I feel your pain. I feel your pain. Do you know will there's a there's a there's a lot in common with West Ham and Liverpool because they're both dock teams you know come out from around the docks and you know workingass people and there's always been that kind of respect
49:58between West Ham and Liverpool in that way funny enough. >> Yeah. >> What so wait so West Ham's in the same division with uh with Rob's team right now with Rexom. >> Yeah. What do you think about that? What do you think about Rexom? Uh they've made this this jump what once a year they're they're they're moving up a division four division.
50:16Fantastic is it? And you know what it's lied it up a little bit and all. They've done a good job there the boys. They really have. >> You know and what they've done they brought the whole town together as well. >> Yeah. >> You know it's not just about the football. It's about the community in that area.
50:30What they've done. >> It's quite a fantastic job. All power. Great. >> Yeah. It's good. It's good. They're good guys. Rob Rob is a good friend of mine. That's what football football was originally that you know and you supported the team where you lived where you were bred and born where you came from it's your manner right and that's West Ham I come out of West Ham right so that's why I support West Ham for me you know you come out of Liverpool you support Liverpool now it's it's such a
50:58modern game >> you know it's about the players that play there for a short while that someone will support Manchester City someone will put support Liverpool Liverpool or Manchester United and they don't come from there. You know, it's kind of strange that kind of that kind of vibe, you know. I can understand it if you're watching it in America and you come from America and then you like soccer and then I can understand why you'd pick a team like Liverpool, you know, >> and that's me being nice, Will.
51:24>> Yeah. Yeah. I Well, I I come by it naturally because my my good friend Chappie, he's uh he's been a Liverpool supporter forever. So, I just kind of went with him because I didn't know much about it. But, uh I just back. >> Yeah. >> Before Before we let you go, uh uh Ray, because you've been so generous with your time, I wanted to ask you about it now occurs to me, you mentioned watching Raging Bull and and really and really appreciating it as a film at the time and understanding it's not just a boxing
51:52film. It's so much and then you find yourself years later working with Martin Scorsese. Was that a was that surreal experience for you the first time you >> That's like playing in the cup final, Will. >> Yeah. You know, if for me anyway, for the films that I grew up watching and and watching these films from Mean Street and all that, Johnny Fingers, all them early ones that were kind of he was kind of connected to with with uh with the guys and all the way through to make an actual gangster film by Scorsese.
52:24>> Yeah. >> You know, was a bit of a blast for me. Yeah, real blast, you know, and you kind of feel like you've reached the pinnacle there, you know, a little bit, you know. I mean, my I was up to one of the policemen, you know, in it. And uh I went to see him at the Dorchester and I just said, I I can't play a cop, but I can't play a policeman, you know.
52:44I got to be, you know, Marty scores easy for him. I got to be a gangster. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. >> And we had a we had a good chat, Marty. He's very funny guy, very nice man. And um I said, "Can't I play Mr. French?" And he said, "But Mr. French don't say anything." I said, "Well, that's how you find out about the guy, the gangster, because he's got to have a mate, you know."
53:10I said, "I'll just rabbit on around, you know. I'll just talk while they're doing their bits and all that." And he said, "Okay, get Yeah, we'll do that." And that's kind of how it came about. And I, you know, I I absolutely loved him. And uh we kind we didn't fall out. We kind of had a I said my British humor probably went down the wrong way, you know, when he uh he said to me, "Kids, you're going home."
53:35He said, "Just when I'm beginning to understand what you're talking about, right?" >> And I said I said, "That's all right, Marty. I'll see you at the re-shoots." >> Right. >> Right. And it kind of cuz Marty's known for going on and filming. It went that down like a bag of [ __ ] you know? Go down to So you think, well, there's millions of people in the [ __ ] world, so I shouldn't worry about one.
54:01>> So he So he wasn't kind of he wasn't kind of getting your humor or your style or whatever. >> It's British humor is kind of very different from American humor. >> Oh yeah. You know, >> it's a little it's a little wittier. >> That's a That's a common phrase, though. I I've said that a thousand times.
54:15You leaving a project. Exactly. >> It's true. >> Yeah. Often not the director of the film. Yeah. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably not that. >> Ray, I'd be I'd be uh I'd be be remiss if I didn't mention I did mention at the top uh uh The Gentleman season two, this series that you've uh Yeah. Yeah.
54:34Just talk a little bit if you will. It's out now on Netflix. Uh >> well, I've I've seen one episode from season 2. The first season I thought was great. I loved it. You know, the chicken scene is my favorite scene I've ever seen on TV. you know, when he's in the chicken suit with the shooter and all that.
54:51It's very good. >> And um I've spoke to all the journalists here about what they've seen cuz I've just come off a junkie, you know. >> Oh yeah. >> And um all the journalists say it's better if you believe journalists. I do. We believe a journalist. Oh, >> they're the best. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they say it's the Yeah.
55:08Season 2 is better. So >> that's the vibe, you know. So >> good. >> It starts today anyway. So, I shall probably watch it a bit of it later on. >> Well, we will >> see how it's going. Yeah. But it's it's it's a great it's great working with with this little mob. They were they're a good little family.
55:27And um and with Guy, you know, it changes every day. The scripts change. So, you'll get a four four page dialogue scene, you know, but masses of dialogue quite tricky. And you learn it. And then you go the next day and he thought about it and he said, "Here's the new one." Right. you go, "Fuck this." You know, lovely.
55:49>> But it's better when you read it, it's better. >> Yeah. >> And it's as long as it's better, it's all right. Cuz once you learn the first one, you can learn the second one. And away you go. >> And it's even with the actual film, the story you've read on the page ain't the story you're going to watch when you see the final episode.
56:09It's It changes it. It's It's the film's made in the editing room, really. >> Mhm. And it but it's for the better. You can't moan with that, you know. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's a it's a it's a it comes with a lot of the opaces of it are pretty great. It's created by Guy Richie. It's you and and Theo James and Jen Carlo Espazito, some of the people in Jolie Richardson, Hugh Bonavville.
56:32I mean, it's uh it's it's it's packed with a lot of talent from uh in every department on that on that show. So, >> lovely. >> Wish you wish you a lot of luck with it, man. And uh it's just been such a joy to have you Ray. I've been just such a massive fan for a long long time and and uh really just uh just you know couldn't uh just love everything you do.
56:54>> Ter you know what guys it's really kind of you. Thank you very much. And uh you know I'm I'm honored to be on your show. >> I've seen some of the people you've had on there before. So it's it's a real privilege for me and it's nice to be to see faces that I see on the telly that I don't know. back at you.
57:11Yeah. Play >> maybe one day we sit down and we'll have a glass or something. >> Let's do it. Yeah. When you're done with Malta, go out there, reapply your sunblock. >> Yes. All right. >> I will do. Yes. >> All right, sir. All right. Pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much. Have a great day. >> What an honor.
57:28>> Thank you very much. You're all right. >> Cheers. Cheers. >> Oh, proud of you, boys. Byebye, sir. >> Bye. Bye. >> Oh, man. What an absolute treat. >> Yeah. Yeah, guys. >> The Windstone, >> guys. What a treat. I >> He's like a guy you could just hang out and talk to for hours. Like >> I was literally planning on watching Sexy Beast tomorrow night.
57:46So I am all teed up now. Ready to go. >> I'm such a fan. I didn't even get to talk to him about Quadrofenia, a film that I adore as well that he made. >> I've never seen that. I got >> so good. All the music by The Who and it's a great movie. I always I always find it like so interesting when tough guys like that are such like down to earth, sweetheart, normal, you know, cuz like if you see him, you're like, "Holy [ __ ] that guy's going to beat the [ __ ] out of me."
58:13And then you talk to him, you're like, "Oh, he's like the sweet, normal, kind guy. >> Got nothing to prove." >> No. And no, he doesn't. And he and he plays tough guys, but he's he's and you know, exemplified in Sexy Beast, but a lot of his other roles, he he's he brings so many layers to it. There's a real always like real pos to his character.
58:29I don't know. >> I know. I totally want to hang out with him, too. I feel like you could. He just drops these nuggets of like sort of wisdom that he's kind of picked up along the way. And he's, as he mentioned, like educated through doing what we do, and he it's been an education for him. And it's and it's an education hanging out with a guy like him.
58:48>> Yeah, for sure. For sure. >> Just And so many big movies. Probably the biggest one was The Departed, I think. Yeah, one of them. One of them. And I can't remember who directed that was directed by Martin >> Scor by Lazy but by >> Smart Less
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