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RE-RELEASE: Matthew Rhys | SmartLess

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Matthew Rhys joins SmartLess to promote Perry Mason season two and his Broadway-bound play, and the hosts open by mourning the death of Jason's and Will's friend Jeremy. The conversation roams from Rhys's Welsh upbringing and RADA training to his acting career, his marriage to Keri Russell, and the home-invasion story that led to their relationship being discovered. It closes with the hosts teasing their SmartLess on the Road tour on Max.

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Wig maker and tour preview

0:04Sorry that you [music] guys caught me off guard. I was just talking to Jason's wig maker and he um had [music] said that uh they don't make the hair that Jason uses for the wig anymore um because it's a [music] synthetic thing and it has to do with because it's they use a certain petroleum component to it blah blah blah blah.
0:21Anyway, the point is if you see Jason on the street just please say, "Hey man, your natural hair looks great. It's an all new smart [music]
0:45[music] less. >> Are you guys excited? >> I'm excited. >> Do you know what I'm talking about? >> I think Are you talking about our We're on We're on the TV. >> Yeah. On the with the the dots. >> We're going to be on TV. Yeah, I told my whole family. >> Smartless on the road. >> Smartless on the road on Max.
1:02>> On Max. That uh that that that new platform. Yes. What should we do? What should we see? Should we watch it together? >> Let's watch it together. That would be >> Oh, God. That's not a bad idea. I'm I'm really excited. I'm excited for people to >> see Will. >> It sounds weird to say. Well, yeah. I'm excited for people to see.
1:17Well, we have so many great guests. >> Say some of the guests. We have Will Frell. >> Will starts it off, though, doesn't he? >> Will starts it off. Then we have uh Conan, >> Kevin Hart. >> Uh well, hang on, hang on, hang on. Then we have Letterman. Then we have uh AOC with special appearance by Can we mention that Bradley makes a special appearance?
1:37>> Bradley Cooper comes in light for us. >> Uh and then we go to Chicago. We have Andy Richtor and Jeff Tweety from uh um Wilco. >> Mark Cuban. >> Mark Cuban. And then uh Mattie Damon. >> Matt Damon. The Matt Damon. Yeah. A turtle cordle. Wordle perennial third place finisher Matt Damon. >> And then one of the biggest guests of the entire tour >> is Tracy from Wisconsin.
2:01>> And then we have Tracy from Wisconsin. Tracy Sean's sister. >> My sister. >> Oh, Sean's sister makes an incredible appearance. >> Yeah. >> And doesn't your mother's uh your mother's right eye makes >> Your mother's eye makes an appearance, too. >> All true, by the way. It's all true. And you can see it get it >> um on uh >> don't get it >> on Max Smartless on the road.
2:20Check it out. >> I'm glad you asked cuz I don't think they get it. Smart. And then by the way, we come we come back to LA and then we we we end here with our with with Kimmel >> with Kimmel and Kevin Hart >> with I mean we get to have it's is what a coming what a soft landing to come back and have our good buddy uh Jimmy Kimmel and then Jan makes an appearance and God I mean >> and then what's the final meal of the whole thing?
2:45>> Oh yeah. So then we're over at Shaunie's house for >> some spaghetti and meatballs. Sloppy Joe. >> Sloppy Joe's. >> Sloppy Joe's. >> I made sloppy joe's from scratch for you guys. >> Yeah, >> it's all in the dock. >> It's all in the dock. >> We're all Are we watching it at your house? >> Yeah, let's watch it.

SmartLess on the Road guests

2:58I don't know. >> Let's watch it. We'll watch it on Max. God, it's so fun. I think I I hope people like Who knows? But um >> we hope it looks real good, too. Sam Jones did a great job directing it. It looks real handsome. It's black and white. >> I hope people like it. It's what? It's May 23rd, right?
3:12>> May 23rd on Max. Okay. >> Um, I have a crazy story that happened. I told Will, I said I was going to save it to tell you today. >> You have some pre-show patter, [clears throat] you know, Sean and Go ahead. >> No, this is crazy. >> Sean, what have you prepared? >> I prepared this. This >> Sean, by the way, not to interrupt, but speaking of prepared, there's somebody preparing some uh something in the kitchen behind you.
3:33>> Yeah, Scott is going to make me some tea right now. >> Okay. >> Tea. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you fast? >> He's on Broadway, man. He's on Broadway. >> I'm on the Broadway. >> Oh. To keep your pipes nice and uh lubricated. Mhm. the >> Well, it is 1:00 uh there. What's What was for lunch today? >> I just had a a Wait, [laughter] >> I had a a What's it called?
3:53Like a Kaiser roll with egg and cheese and a little bacon. [laughter] >> What do you What do they call it? Like a foot long sub. Uh [laughter] >> Kaiser roll. >> Kaiser. >> Where do you have to go to get that? Like a bread shop. >> Downstairs. >> Downstairs. No, Zbar's Kaiser. Zbar is a Jewish deli that we live right in, you know, near it.
4:16And then there's a cafe and they don't do bagels with egg. You'd think they would do bagels cuz they sell bagels in the store part, but not the cafe part, which is really crazy. >> You got to go full Kaiser. Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. So, this is the story. This is crazy. This is going to blow your mind.
4:30I think it blew my mind. >> So, the show takes place in 1958 backstage at the Tonight Show. >> Oscar Levant is the guest on the Tonight Show that night. Other guest which we never see, we only reference a lot is Jane Mansfield. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Who was, you know, this big star back in the 50s. Marilyn Monroe.
4:46Jane Mansfield. Very similar. >> Mhm. >> So, Marisha Hargatee. You know Marisha Harate? >> I do. Sure. >> Yeah. She's the star of the SVU thing. Oh, thanks Scotty. >> And hey, Scotty. Just made me tea. Um, so she's the star of this show for like 20 some years, right? So, I'm So, she's like, I'm outside your theater.
5:05Come out. I'm like, oh my god, I came out. gave her a hug. Uh, said hello. We took a photo. We're done. And she go and somebody in the show whispers in my ear, "Her mom is Jane Mansfield." >> Yeah. >> I go, "Wait a minute. What?" >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> Marishka Harate's mom? I go, "Your mom is Jane Mansfield."
5:22I go, "Do you know that we reference your mom in this show over and over again? Did your mom know Oscar Levant?" She's like, "I don't I don't know." Um, you know, unfortunately, she was very young when her mom died. So then we go back and we say herbyes. I go back in the theater and uh I forgot. I text her.
5:37I go, "By the way, your mom made her Broadway debut in this theater that we're working in right now." >> Wow. No way. >> Isn't that crazy? >> Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. >> So, um did you at least offer her tickets to the show? >> No, she's got to pay for those. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can give her access to the house.
5:58>> I can get her. I can get her. >> Her dad her dad was um Mickey Hargatee, who was like a a bodybuilder from Hungary. >> How do you know that? I know that. >> You just Googled it. >> No, I didn't. I knew that before. And um >> Wait, why do you know vague Hungarian bodybuilders? [laughter] >> Look, do you want to see my magazine collection or not?
6:18>> No. And I don't want to see your search history either. I actually do. >> I read somebody my search history the other day. It was such a bonkers all over the map. The weird I go here, you want to know what I've been searching up for the last 24 hours? And it was just the weirdest, stupidest stuff.

Remembering Jeremy

6:30Um, I want to say just because I want to be and I don't want to bring it down, but I got to be honest about where I'm at if that's okay. >> Yes. >> Today and then we can switch gear. Is that okay? Just >> course it is. >> It's very real. Um, >> do you want me to say you want me to describe it? >> My my my oldest friend in the world, Jeremy, passed away.
6:54>> Oh. >> And uh I loved him so much. >> Oh, well, I'm so sorry. >> And [clears throat] uh >> Yeah, you just found out yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. And um [ __ ] >> Oh god, I'm so sorry. [clears throat] And I just got to be honest about it because it's what's going on in my head and and um [sighs] I just wanted to I just wanted to say that I just I love the guy so much and it's so Jason and I were talking today um this morning and it's funny we we always get surprised when people you say it's such a surprise
7:25such a shock and we know that the deal is >> that everybody's going to die at some point. >> We're here for five minutes. Yeah. >> Yeah. Did he pass suddenly, Will? >> You know, the the the last few weeks were kind of came out of nowhere certainly, but then and then he finally passed and and I'm happy he did.
7:39He was he was, you know, obviously he was in a lot of pain. >> And I just thinking about his family and and um and all of them. And I've known them forever and and you know, his daughter and his wife and and his parents who my parents knew and our grand and our great-grandparents knew each other. our families are >> intertwined for generations and and um he was >> so Jeremy was up in Toronto or >> he was in Toronto.
8:03Yeah. And uh and he was one of the great guys. He's a I always say he's a first ballot hall of famer. Just a great guy. You could always rely on him and and I miss him. And you know, you never um and I was just thinking this morning and I was taking the kids to school and I was just thinking like, oh man, hug the people you love.
8:27>> Yeah. Tell them as much as you can. And if you're thinking about somebody, call them. >> Let them know, >> right? >> Just let them know you're you're thinking about them. You love them, how important they are to you. >> Um, >> I love that. >> And I just wanted to say that because it's on my mind. And I love you guys so much.
8:42>> We love you. We love you, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's um, it is, you're right. It is this sort of like you're we're always shocked that people die, but everyone here is going to. Everyone listening will. And it's like it's a terrible thought and we somehow have managed this little device inside our head and our heart to kind of put it in a little box and keep it away and deal with it at near the end of our life.
9:04Um we just kind of pretend it's not ever going to happen, but >> Oh, it does. And we just hope we use our time correctly. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. For sure. You know, I I just did this I just did this article uh this interview and Jay, you were so kind. I just read it. You said such nice things about me and I appreciate it and for I appreciate your generosity.
9:26>> And um and I said um [laughter] I said, you know, if I can pull this thing off, great. If not, I'm still alive. >> Yeah. >> Is my quote, you know. >> Oh, about the play. So, you're feeling bullish about the play? Yeah. It could suck, but at least I'm not dead. [laughter] >> No, but the point is to your point, Will, is like we're still we're here.

Matthew Rhys introduction

9:50We're here, right? >> We're here in >> here. nothing matters other than our health and our people we love and >> and the people we love and and I just yeah I wanted to say that just say Jared we love you and uh >> and that's it you know thinking about you buddy and and I also know that he was he was always so quick with a laugh and he loved to freaking laugh.
10:08This guy made me laugh. And so I don't know. I he would he'd be like, "Great. We'll get to your guest." [laughter] >> And um you have a nice opportunity to give him a nice goodbye uh this weekend with all of those people you're talking about. Um it'll be a wonderful thing for for him to watch too, you know?
10:28I mean, >> yeah. >> The uh the that's one of that's one of the good things about After We Go, right? We get to like it's a narcissist delight. You get to just pull up a chair and watch everybody say nice things about you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] I I love it. >> At least that's my fantasy. >> I know.
10:46Well, that's one of your fantasies, >> right? Just a big Jason session for a whole [snorts] day. >> What are you eating >> right now? >> No. In that situation where you get where it doesn't [laughter] matter anymore. >> Just a super salty puff inducing things cuz you know [laughter] you can be [clears throat] as puffy as you want upstairs.
11:05>> Sure you can. >> Yeah, >> you can. Um, >> turns out you can be as puffy as you want downstairs, too. [laughter] >> Well, actually, you lose water weight uh almost instantaneously down there because you're always sweating. >> Oh, yeah. It's hot as [ __ ] >> Oh, where you're going. Yeah, you're going to be a lot of sweating going on.
11:22That's [laughter] a good point. >> It's a constant shvitz. >> Um, to switch gears. >> Sure. >> Uh, you know, if we can uh as much as we can to somebody who's not puffy. >> Um, really? >> No. This gentleman keeps it very tight in the best way. I really >> lucky son of a >> Yeah, I know. He really is. He's got >> This is a guy [sighs and gasps] You want to talk about first ballot hall of famer?
11:45This is a guy who's got it all. >> I mean, he's when you got when you got when you got talent and good looks, forget about when you got an easy way about you. >> Oh boy. >> For freaking get it. This guy's done everything. He's been on the big screen. He's been on the little screen. He's been on the boards, you know, on stage, if you will.
12:03>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, this guy's from the other side of the pond. >> Uh, >> oh, he's British. >> Yeah. Well, he's actually Welsh. His first language is Welsh, according to the internet. >> Huh. >> He's a guy who's done so much. And he's he's one of those guys who like you just every time you see him, you're like, "Oh, I love this guy.
12:21Everything he does, I this is the way I feel." You know, he was for years he was on You knew him from Brothers and Sisters and then he was on the Americans forever. And what the thing I love about him maybe the most is that he is [sighs] partnered with one of my all-time favorite people, the delightful Carrie Russell.
12:42Guys, it's the incredibly talented Matthew Reese. >> Oh man, look at look at him. >> Is he gorgeous or what? Look at the stash in that face at all. >> No, not for you. Not for you. >> We have a fifth guest today. >> He just He proved that the mustache was real. He pulled on it just to prove >> No, no.
13:00I'm just checking. I'm checking the glue. >> Listener. He's got a 30 [laughter] lb mustache on and it's looking strong. Are you playing a motorcycle cop? >> Uh, no. I'm doing the the Tom Celic biopic. [laughter] >> You could you could Welcome to Smartless Man. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. You know, that's uh that's the that's the real terrifying moment, the reveal.
13:21>> I know [laughter] because this at the beginning I was like, is he who is he talking about Ian Mckllen? Who are they expecting? What [laughter] is this going to go to? >> It's Karen Edertton. everyone. >> The real Welshman who can sing. Sure. >> Wow. It's such a [laughter] It's so cool to meet you.
13:36>> I know too. And thank you. Thank you very much for for having me on, Jent. This is a real pleasure. >> Matthew, I I I wish we don't know each other well enough. We've crossed paths a few times because obviously uh Carrie and I are old friends and so we've met through Carrie and she's such a delightful person as you were well aware and and then she's like I just I love the idea.
13:59I'm like you're as good as the people you hang out with and the fact that you and Carrie are together. I'm like Matthew's a good guy. He's a great guy. I can just >> No, I just know I took I took I took that idea and then I latched myself onto her [laughter] so that those around us would think the same thing.
14:15>> That, by the way, that's smart. That's smart living. >> How long did you guys do that show together? Was it five, six? >> It was six. It was six years. It was It was meant to be five. And I think the the the poor showrunners had kind of arked it for five and then FX went, "You know what? Let's do one more."
14:30And they went, "What? We don't >> We had the opposite." Oh, no. That's a good sign on a show. We're talking of course about the Americans. >> And Margot Martenddale is a friend. >> And dear dear Marggo Martenddale. >> Yeah. >> That that car they were both reunited on Cocaine Bear recently. >> Yes. So Margo and you did you were in Cocaine Bear as well.
14:52>> I I muscled my way in just what looking after the kids in Ireland and reading the script and I and that first opening scene I said I was like who who who's playing that guy? The guy who bangs his head and falls out the plane. She's like, "What? What? Who? I don't know." And then I I said, "Ask ask Elizabeth Banks."
15:07I said, "Ask Banks who's playing that part." So she text Banks, "Oh, we haven't cast it yet." I said, "Tell I'll do it. Tell No, ask. But no, I just ask her if I can do it." And she very kindly said, "Yes, you can come in and fall out of an airplane." >> By the way, what a what a what an absolute treat.
15:20So you're directing a movie and then you got a guy who's got like one scene basically and then you're like Matthew Reese calls and he's like, "Hey, can I just do this one scene?" You're like, "Uh, >> are you kidding?" >> Yeah. She smelt the desperation on me. I was like, "Can I please get out of the h?
15:34I can't do another zoo or aquarium. >> Please, [laughter] >> Sean, is it true the rumor?" Sorry, that that's how you and Scott met, right? Didn't Didn't Didn't you put in the search for cocaine bear? [laughter] >> No. Did I not hear that? >> No, I think technically it was coca cocaine cub, wasn't it?
15:53>> Cocaine [laughter] Cub. Yeah, it was the prequel that they haven't Scotty. >> Oh, Scotty. If he only knew. So, so you do Okay, but and and of course I want to get I I don't want to just gloss over the delightful Marggo Martale, whom we all adore. >> She's the greatest. >> No one can swear like Margot Martenddale, >> the best.
16:12>> I mean, she should she should have a a kind of course at NYU like swearing for film and television cuz no one can no one can swear like her >> and and no one can get their eye up quicker and then get to swearing over like something that seems trivial. We we did that show together uh uh the Millers and she'd be like, "Can you believe they just did this rerun?
16:32I got to [ __ ] remember this [ __ ] thing and they want to shoot this afternoon." You're like, "Jesus, what?" >> Yeah. [laughter] >> She said of one very famous actor who's in our show, she went, "Can you [ __ ] hear the way he breathes?" [laughter] I went I went I went, "Well, I BEFORE THEN I HAD NO, I HADN'T ACTUALLY, but I can hear it now."
16:49You [laughter] brought it up with her. Oh, Jason love Jason, you will you will so fall in love with Marggo Martell, you won't be able to contain yourself, guys. Am I right? >> She's absolute gold. >> Now, uh, tell me I Welsh is a language. Is that what I heard you say, Will? >> Oh my god. First of all, >> wait.
17:10So, it's not English. >> Get ready for the letters. >> It's not It's not English. It's much older than English. It's one of the oldest in Europe. >> So, let's start there. So I just want to say so Matthew you are it says that your first language was Welsh. Is that true? >> It is. It is. I grew up speaking Welsh.

Welsh language and upbringing

17:24So the whole family speak Welsh. >> But isn't Welsh just English with an accent? I don't understand. >> Yes. Basically we we just we what we do is trying to adopt such a harsh accent. No one really understands the English you're speaking. >> No, no, no, no. That he's he's he's putting you on. So I've been I've spent some time in in Cardiff, which is where you're from.
17:40Yeah, Matthew. >> It is. What were you doing there? I was filming there a few years ago and I remember we had this >> What were you driving? >> Uh I had I I was going to say the driver I had when I was working on that show. You know the guy um >> Jerry Lockett? >> Yes. Jerry Lockett. >> Oh the f the Locket Rocket.
17:55Yeah. >> The famous Jerry Locket. Yes. >> What do you mean driver? What are you talking about? >> You had a Rolls-Royce. That's what I was trying to bait you to. Didn't didn't loan you a >> No, they loaned me a a Bentley when I was in uh when I was in London. I was drove around for a few weeks. I know.
18:10Disgusting. It's a long story. Wait. Did you drive yourself in this? >> Yeah, I did. I did. I drove myself. >> Right side drive. >> Sure did. And then I I d I drove up to Ricky's to Jervis's house in uh in London cuz I was going to have [laughter] go to his house to have just a visit. >> Who are you?
18:24Who's >> And I called him and I and he and I said, "I'm outside." And he came out and he saw me in this Bentley. I go, "Where can I park this thing around here?" And he's like, "Jesus [ __ ] Christ." Look, it wasn't mine. It was literally I don't drive a Bentley. That was why I made a point. Anyway, >> so you're from Cardiff.
18:39We know Jerry Lockett. We We've got Jerry out there and we know that he's listening. We love you, Jerry. So, we know how are you? >> Um, and I knew that you guys knew each other because he was always like, "Do you know Matthew Reese?" And I was like, "I do. I do a little bit because I know Carrie." He says, "Yeah, Matthew Matthew's from here."
18:55And he's so proud of you and all the Welsh are so proud of Matthew >> for what you've done. >> I think there's only because it's only three million of us. Three and a half million. >> That's all of But that's all of Canada, isn't it? [laughter] >> What? First of all, >> what is the population of Canada now?
19:11>> 30. 30. 30. >> Oh, okay. >> You missed it by a zero. >> 10%. Yeah. So, anyone who's Welsh and has done anything, even if they haven't done anything, we're just inherently proud. >> Yeah. >> For a country the size of Connecticut, which I'm talking >> two of them are named Bale and one of them is named Ree.
19:26>> Yes, that's it. That's basically >> Christian Gareth [laughter] Bale and and Matthew Reese. >> Well, there's also Hopkins. You also got Hopkins. >> Oh, yeah. You do. You do. >> And then Burton, obviously. >> There are a bunch. >> So, wait. I don't know. I don't know anything about you. And I I I know you I'm a fan of you, but I don't Did you So, were you one of those people that grew up and did theater and stuff as a kid and you're like, "Oh my god, if I can go to America."
19:47Wow. >> We're going to get to that, Sean. That's exactly right. >> She's right in the middle of a story. >> He's telling the story about Rolls-Royce. >> Speaking Welsh as his first language, landing the plane on that. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Go ahead, Matthew. And >> some check your chat, please. So talk about No, but growing up speaking well, you guys spoke Welsh at home.

Eisteddfod and early stage training

20:07Yeah, [laughter] >> we did. We did. and and in in Wales there's there's a great you know there's a great reverence for you know performing arts and there's a very there's a kind of an ancient tradition dates it's pre-Christian >> whereby everyone congregates in the old days everyone would congregate and then you would sing competitively or recite poetry or anything of that ilk basically and it's very modern these days but twice a year >> all the children of Wales will will gather and they've it's a compet you
20:37know it's a competition now but you're very much encouraged to get on stage age and in some form art form or another and compete for your school or your county or or whatever. >> Oh wow. >> So yes, so from a very early age you're kind of kicked onto a stage um whether you want to or >> really. >> Yeah.
20:53Yeah. >> And now a word from our sponsor. >> All right, back to the show. >> So you you grow up you're speaking well obviously you speak English as well and they they speak both there. The signage and stuff in Wales is is delightful that it's it's, you know, one in English and one in Welsh and it's a it's tough to read.
21:15>> It's a hot bed of contention. Yeah. >> What's the distance between English and Welsh? I mean, I have absolutely no idea what it sounds like, what it looks like. >> Yeah. Talk a little bit in Welsh just so we can hear it. >> I'll just get what one of the oldest poems in Welsh is about 600 BC and it just says
21:37It's Lord of the Rings, the elves. It's how the elves speak in Lord of the Rings. >> Yes. Well, talking based Elfish on Welsh. >> Oh, I just made that up. Is that true? >> Oh, yes, it is. Yeah. >> Are you kidding me? >> I mean, I'm I'm a 54 year old man that uh is not living in a cave. Why have I never ever heard Welsh?
21:53>> It's a golden cave. I mean, let's be honest. >> Yes. [laughter] A beautiful cave. I've heard I've heard tell. Yes. One cave to bind us all. >> Why? What? What? I don't understand how that's gone by me. Um, >> well, I do. >> Well, I I [laughter] think I think listen, I don't want to get into on the English bashing soap box, but the English, you know, if we could we'll do a quick history.
22:14The English did their best to kind of eradicate all the Celtic languages for the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Cornish, you know, they they they weren't too Celtic friendly. So, there was a lot of stamping out of the language and the culture. >> Wow. And and was it influenced that uh by um uh folks more northern like was there a Viking influence to all of those Celtic languages?
22:38>> I mean I mean there's the great evolutionist Germanic based and then you know the I think the Keltoy were a Spanish tribe initially and they you know >> then the Gauls got involved and amalgamated and then and then they you know set up camp in Britain and then the Romans came. >> We're all such babies here in America.
22:56Well, you don't learn any. Even if you did pay attention, you know, even if you did in in America go to school not on a massage bus, you you you [laughter] learned you learned you learned history. >> How dare you? [laughter] >> You learned history. But at least in Canada, we did we had to take British history, so we knew we were always studying the [ __ ] Battle of Colin and all that [ __ ] Like, >> was the is the was the is the empire still stamped down your throat in Canada?
23:23>> Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I mean, I don't I I haven't lived there in 30 years, so I I >> This is a guy who reads World War II books on the can going to bed. >> He's not as bad as Justin Thorough, who will watch World War II documentaries through the face hole of a massage table on his iPhone.
23:38[laughter] >> Okay, that's that he's he takes it to a new level. This this lust for World War II. >> And he lines it just for comfort and stuff, he lines it with his discarded sleeves just to protect his face, [laughter] >> just to pad the ring. So, so Matthew, so you're you're in you're what? You're sort of 17 and you go to Rada.
24:00>> Yeah. Yeah. Went to the Yeah. >> Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in in London, which is the preeminent classical uh acting school in the world. >> Yeah. >> That's what I tell everyone. >> Yeah. >> I've told my parents they allow me to go. >> It's like everybody who goes to Rada, you they'll tell you.
24:16And it's the same way with everybody who's ever gone to Oxford. Make sure to let that be known. >> Well, yes. We'll drop it in. you know, they're all cool. You walk in and they've left the the honor boards are still up in in in the uh in the foyer. So, like, you know, has Peter Oul and Anthony Hopkins and >> it's incred.

RADA and early theater career

24:30I did a summer I did a summer course there years ago in 198 1987. Uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shakespeare. Yeah. I did the whole thing for a few months there. Yeah. At Rada. I sure did. >> How was that? >> It was amazing, man. >> What did you do? >> You seem so dumb. >> It was amazing. Um >> is there a lot of pressure when you go to a school like that to to to to make it?
24:50I mean, obviously you did, but I mean, is there just sort of culturally do you feel there like, oh my god, okay, so I'm in Rada and now I got to I got to I got to I got to maintain our our batting average of or is there a lot of people that go there and and and then go into other fields? Is that was that more common?
25:08>> It it is it is it's a very small intake. There's only 30 to each year, 15 men, 15 women every year. >> Um Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's very small. So you you feel the pressure immediately and um >> that's small. Do they do it on a bus? >> Yes. Like a massage [laughter] bus. Yeah. It just it just kind of goes around around to pick >> 30 on the massage bus comfortably.
25:31>> That's [laughter] what I heard. >> And then you guys stop you guys stop for lunch at Jinkies on Ventura, right? I mentioned [laughter] >> some reading at the Bod Tree. Yes. >> So, but it's very exclusive. But you here you are. You're you're a kid from Cardiff. Were were the you the only Welsh person in your year?
25:48>> Um yes I was I was I had a friend who was a year older and then Michael Sheen had just come through and kind of blazed a trail and was kind of you know setting the West End on on fire. So So there was this you know there was a the flag of Wales is is the dragon. So there was a kind of a dragon firmly stamped as to you know the Welsh resurging again.
26:08Um but you know like I said Hopkins Anthony Hopkins was the the chairman of the board at the time so he beat In and Out and he he'd just done um Shadowlands. So you know there was this there was this great air that you know anything was anything was possible really. I think I think one of the things that the Welsh and Wales suffer from enormously is small person syndrome.
26:28And at that time there was just this little bubble of of a few you know Welsh people doing incredibly well. Katherine Zita was bursting through the ranks. So, I was there at this Renaissance when anything felt possible. >> Um, you know what my question is going to be? I I can ask it now or later. >> Did you ever forget a line on stage?
26:48[laughter] >> What's your favorite theater story, Matthew? >> Yeah, I because you got to have one or two. >> Yes, I have I have um Well, I have quite a few in fact. No, but but possibly when I was because I was doing theater for for the first five years solidly. >> Mhm. And then at 25, um, I thought I I' I'd got the role that was going to change my life and my career.
27:08It didn't, but I got, uh, to play Benjamin Bradock in a stage adaptation of The Graduate with Kathleen Turner as my Mrs. Robinson. >> Wow. Yeah. >> And to me, it was the first real introduction to Hollywood cuz I'd never experienced anything like it in every sense. Like PAs, I was like, what's a PA? Who has a PA?

The Graduate sneezing mishap

27:27It was just incredible. >> Anyway, fast forward halfway through the run. Um, it it got a little, you know, there were a few bedroom antics in in in the production and there's one moment where I jump in bed and [clears throat] we're simulating sex and I have to >> kind of plunge my face between her legs as if I'm I'm >> pleasuring her.
27:49She had she did have the, you know, the obligatory kind of, you know, flesh toned >> um underwear on. But anyway, I had a streaming head cold. >> Sure. And being the malicious vindictive type that I am, I I wouldn't let the understudy go on. So I went I went on and I had my nose is just streaming. My cold my nose is streaming and I couldn't I didn't want to kind of >> sniff heavily >> during, you know, during dialogue.
28:15[laughter] So I'm Yeah. And I go, "Oh, I know what I know what I know. I know what I'll do. I'll just clear my nose in that quiet moment when I'm between I know." And I Well, I didn't think. So, I jumped in and I'm between Miss Turner's legs and I just went and [snorts] inhaled deeply and the covers kind of shot up and she's looking down me like, "What the [ __ ] [laughter] What the [ __ ] are you doing?"
28:37And I was like, "Oh, oh no, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm I'm not I'm not I have a cold. I have a cold. I'm not leaving you. >> You're not trying wine out." >> Yeah. >> No. [laughter] No. >> God, no way. >> Yes. That I I always live with this deep regret of that moment. that and when a someone there was a paparazzi photo when the moment she she took off her her robe and this paparazzi photographer stood up and and photographed her and a big flash went off.
29:04I know. >> And I looked at her on stage in this moment and I was like oh we should we should stop and she came in with the next line and I always remember thinking regardless that she was an consumer professional went I'm going to come in with the next line. I'm going to carry on. I bitterly regret in that moment not stopping the production because the next day in a tabloid newspaper there was >> Oh Lord.
29:27>> Yeah. Uh a huge photograph of Yeah. >> Yeah. I was ashamed. I was ashamed. >> Oh my god. Well, God [laughter] the tablo and the headline just just said Welshman uh you know just [ __ ] cows under pressure. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yes. Spineless Welshman does [laughter] nothing. We leave it to the English tabloids to say that.
29:51>> Yeah. I love that. >> Oh my [ __ ] So, so Matthew, so you you did, as you said, you did did did you play another great Welshman? You played Dylan Thomas, didn't you? >> I did at one point. >> I did that. Yes. Uh my god, it feels so long ago. About 12 years ago now. Yeah. Um he he had this he had this incredible moment.
30:09The the poet Thomas had this incredible moment in his life where he was having an affair. that part was played by Kira Knley and and Tina Miller is playing my wife and Killian Murphy um is the husband of Kieran Knightly and this is all true that that he burst in on Dylan Thomas with a machine gun cuz during the Second War he came in with a machine gun he opened fire he like and then missed everyone and took out a grenade, pulled the pin and the grenade didn't go off and it was that story that we we told in
30:42um >> No Way of Love. Yeah, it was kind of it was an unbelievable uh story that he survived and then >> tragically drank himself to death. >> Wow. Talk about uh this about the worst assassin you could ever imagine. >> Yes. And I was like I was like talking to Killian about I was like but you're playing a you're a commando.
30:58You're a trained commando. What [laughter] do you want to play this part? >> So you are you are not you you do not live in Wales. Correct. >> I do not know. I now live in Leafy Brooklyn. >> Leafy Brooklyn. >> Yeah. You live in you live in Brooklyn, but you you come over. You do theater, as you say, for basically 5 years.
31:17>> And then you move over to America to do what what was the first thing that brought you over? >> The first thing I did, I was doing I was doing a play. I was actually doing a two-hander at the Royal Court with Paul Paul Betany called One More Wasted Year. And everyone called it One More Wasted Evening because it was it wasn't good.
31:33[laughter] My own family said as much. It was terrible. [clears throat] Um >> they really >> So they come back they come backstage. What What were they saying to you backstage? My uncle was the first person of the entire group and they came and he's an old sea captain, very salty. And he went, "Well, that was shit."
31:50[laughter] >> Yeah. >> And I couldn't argue. I went, "You're absolutely right." And then, yeah, Steven Dry, who was the Steven Dry, who's the artistic director at the time, and press came in went, "Darlings, was it the play we need to see right now?" Probably not. Should we go to the party? >> [laughter] >> That's hysterical.
32:10Oh god. >> Wow. That's so hardcore. So you come over with Paul Bettney. You do that. >> Sorry. Yes. Yeah. An American agent came to see the play and he said, "Do you want to come over for pilot season?" And I had no idea what it was. And uh and I said, "Yes." And then came came to LA. And then the first audition he set me up with, it was it was Julie Tam's first movie, Titus, with Anthony Hopkins and Jessica Lang.
32:30Mhm. >> And I just thought, "Oh my god, Los Angeles is truly the promised land where you just turn up and get these huge movies and everything's great." >> And then I did that. Yeah. And I shot that in Rome for 6 months. And then I went back to LA and didn't get a job for a decade. >> Yeah. Thought [laughter] here's another another time I'm going to my career is going to be made.
32:49And it was just like >> Yeah. Just paid a few. >> Isn't that amazing? Isn't that I love that feeling of like Yeah. It's gonna be like this forever. >> Yeah. Yeah. It it it's like the clond I arrived it was like the Klondike where they throw you these scripts and they go this is being made for MGM with this as a lead and you're like oh my and you're allowing me to audition for this.
33:07This is madness. All I have to do is get the part and I'm set for life. >> You never know anything. You really don't. I mean look look at us three morons. Like we've we've each of us have had great success as I knock on wood. We're super grateful for in our careers. >> But then you know this thing comes along.
33:24It's more successful than anything we've ever done. And it was just us three idiots chatting [laughter] during co and the world the world basically was saying we don't want you guys to do the thing that you think that you're gonna just >> the things you're you're professional at. >> Yeah. You can keep doing that a little bit if you want but we just want you to be that you're we want to hear your idiotic thoughts on stupid [ __ ] >> Yeah.
33:45Just just like you know wonder at the the moment where Shawn learns that whales was you know why you know where Wales got its name Sean? You know, that's where they made the first harpoon. >> You know, >> that's not [laughter] true. That's not true. >> It's not true. >> Correct. But you bought it for a second.
34:01And that's what they tune in because he'll [ __ ] with me and he'll say something that's completely not true and then he'll say something that's completely true. I never know what to believe. >> I know, Amy. >> But wait a minute. >> They did shoot Moby Dick in Wales with Gregory Peek and my grandfather worked on it.
34:17Is that true? Is that true? >> Yeah. Yeah. They built three large rubber whales. Uh, and one [laughter] of them, one of I know they were, this is the great joke. It's like they came to Wales. Um, and one of them sailed off into the Irish Sea, which I think is fantastic that there was this >> I have I have a whale that needs a rubber, but go ahead.
34:33>> Hello. [laughter] >> My grandfather caught Moby Dick, but there's a cure for it now. >> Wait, wait, wait. [laughter] What did your grandfather do on on the on that? >> His his friend Ed was a carpenter. I think he kind of they kind of helped out in I think in the in the framing of the whales. >> I love that.
34:49>> Yeah, >> that's cool. Wait, I want to ask um about Carrie and I want to know like did you meet each other because I'm an idiot. I don't know. Did you meet before Americans or on the set and how did that go and what when did you know the sparks flew? >> Just one question at a time. >> We did [laughter] cuz I get easily confused >> cuz I love Carrie.

Meeting Keri Russell and Americans

35:07I love Carrie. >> So do I. Um we met we met quite a few years before the Americans um in in Rustic Canyon at a kickball party that Jennifer Gray hosted. And I had no idea what kickball was. >> Boy, all of that adds up, by the way. >> Yes. Yes. As how I just amble through life, bumping into the furniture and ending up going, "How did I get here?
35:29How [laughter] did this happen?" Um, and we were we we were the last two to leave. We're in the parking lot. I was trying to open a bottle of beer for her with a key and failing. And I asked for her number then. [snorts] And then and that was that was all I can remember. She was moving. She was moving to New York.
35:44the the two days after that on the Tuesday was a Sunday and that's all I sort of remember and then the the road to the Americans was a long crazy one and then on the first day of fight training I said to Carrie I said oh we've met we've met before actually she was [clears throat] like no no we definitely >> been years >> he's been years at this point and I said yeah we met before we met at a kickball party in Rustic Canyon she went I know who you are and you left me a message on
36:11my answering machine a very drunken message and I went uh Oh, >> did I did I I'm so sorry. I had no memory of leave leaving a long, rambling, incoherent, drunken message, which is probably why she >> No. Wait, did you really >> Wait, can I can I be a a a super [ __ ] Are you guys together? >> Yeah. Yeah.
36:30Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Wait, did you So, you got together, you started working >> just bringing up that they're just good friends. >> Well, no, because they worked together on The Americans for six years. >> That's what I'm saying. That's what I was ask but during that you guys fell in love, got married, had a kid.
36:46>> We did. Yes. >> Yeah. But I want to know what happened. So she goes, "Okay, now I remember you." And then what? [snorts] >> And and then it was it was just a very it was a very slow burn. The first season you you know I I think we were both trying to be sworn off to that thing where you're going to go, I'm not going to do what everyone tells us never to do.
37:04I'm not going to [clears throat] do that. And then but the beginning of the second season it was >> it was >> it was it was okay. So now were the producer did the producers take each of you aside individually and say hey this is you're dealing with an asset here. Okay. Everyone has jobs. If you guys go south we have to shut the show down.
37:24Was it Were there conversations? >> No. No. They were very gracious about it because I I've had friends I I've had friends who, you know, who've had that conversation, the sit down from the producers going, "Look, we've all been down here before. >> You guys are in your your mid30s now. You, you know, you're not 22."
37:42>> Right off the >> And they were very Yeah. They were very kind and gracious about Do you know, do you know the TV director Tommy Schlami? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, Schlami was directing the beginning of the second season. Um, and he has that kind of beautiful voice, but Kerry and I were having a uh we're doing a sex scene and just goes, "These two have been naked together before [laughter] just was like called out."

Home invasion and relationship reveal

38:07>> Oh, really? So, at that point, no one knew, but he could tell. >> He could he could tell and and then there's a longer story as to how we got found out, which was just >> We've got time. >> Well, Kerry got broken into. I was in the I was in I was in the house at the time and the and the robbers kind of grabbed my backpack, shoved it full of her stuff.
38:26>> You're in the house alone during a home invasion. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We'll start there. >> Well, so here's the other thing is it's early day and this is [clears throat] this is just a testament to my abject stupidity, but with early days of our of our relationship [clears throat] and she wakes me up.
38:43She says, "There's someone in the house." And I go, "No, there's not." And then I just heard this voice. >> Oh [ __ ] >> And I remember and I remember thinking >> in any logical moment you'd go, "Let's lock ourselves in the bathroom, call 911." And for some stupid reason, because it were very early days, I thought what I do next, >> right?
39:03>> She will judge me on for the rest of our lives. Have you What's that um film? >> Force majour. >> Force majour. >> Yep. Where the avalanche comes and he just runs. He leaves his family behind. >> Right. [laughter] Right. I I swear to God. I was like, "If I suggest to go into the bathroom and call 911, will she think me a coward?"
39:20>> Your relationship's over. >> Yes. I had all these weird things going through my head. So, what did I do? She had a she had a working fireplace in the in the in the in the bedroom. >> So, I picked up the poker. >> Sure. >> And with not a stitch on me, I walked out to meet my fate. >> Oh, God. >> Wow.
39:37And we'll be right back after these messages. [laughter] >> Okay. So, now we're back. >> So, now we're back. So now you're now now >> so after eight months of treatment. Yes, I was fine. No, I'm kidding. >> So So did [clears throat] you face to face with this fella? >> No, because what I did was the I think what most people do is you turn the light on light on and they run straight away, >> right?
40:00>> So I heard them kind of run and and they they ran they ran out the front door. >> Oh, thank God. >> I know. I know. >> Jesus. >> So you do this and now Carrie thinks that you're hero. >> Yeah. I I wouldn't go that far. >> Or did she think you were stupid for going for chasing after? >> Yeah, basically.
40:16Yeah, >> she was locked in the bathroom. Yeah. Calling 91. >> Yeah. Then seven cops turn up and they start they clock her and they're like looking have no idea who I am, but they're looking at her and then and then all of a sudden the DA were like they catch them and the DA said, "Oh, uh, I tell you what, we would love to return your belongings on set with a photographer to Carrie if that's okay."
40:38Uh, and she's like, "Uh, she wasn't wild about the idea. try to put on. No, no, no. Cuz the DA was retiring that year. He wanted kind of a, you know, hero ending. So NYPD come on set with a photographer and then they're holding up my bag and Yidd one of the young PAs went, "Wait, THAT'S NOT CAR'S BAG.
40:54That's Matthew's bag." And as I'm running trying to go, "Shut the [ __ ] up." [laughter] >> And that's how the that's how the crew kind of found out. >> No. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. >> So arbitrary. That's crazy. There was a lot to go through just for the big reveal. >> Wow. That's kind of cool. >> So then this guy managed to grab a few things before he went running.
41:16>> He did. He did. He did. And when I saw the P when I saw the the picture of him when he was arrested, I said, "Oh, I said, "Look, there's a picture of the guy that caught him." I said, "Look, look at he's been cuffed by two little tiny cops." [laughter] And she said, "They're not tiny." And I saw this.
41:28Oh my. And I saw the size of him. He could have he could have turned me into a kebab with that poker and done what he'd wanted. [laughter] I wouldn't have had a >> Now, did you have any sort of war cry as you turned on the light? Was there any sort of get the heck >> out? You're going, "Hey, bear. Hey, bear."
41:46>> Yeah. [laughter] >> You know, >> was there any of that? >> No. No. As much as As much as I >> have a poker >> Yeah. Yeah. As as much as I love that moment in Gladiator when all the Kelts kind of attack the Romans and I always think, you know, if if it came to it, that's how I'd react. I was not I couldn't move my legs.
42:05>> Oh my god. >> Don't make me come down there. >> Yeah. Yes. I'm I'm classically trained, you know. I've done fencing. >> Totally naked. >> Yes. Let's just Let's get this going. Yeah. >> And we will be right back. And now back to the show. >> All right. So you and Carrie have a child. That's a boy or a girl?
42:28>> He's a boy. He's a boy. Carrie has two older ones. So there's three, you know, there's three in the house who outnumber us. >> And what are the ages of all three? >> 15, 11, and six. >> 15, 11, and six. Then the 15 and 11 are boy, girl. >> A boy, girl. So it goes boy, boy. >> Boy, girl, boy. And how are you liking being a dad?
42:46>> I love it. I do love it. It's the It's the madness that I love. It's when it's at its most cat the small stuff irks you, but when it's catastrophic, it's brilliant. Yeah. >> When those wheels so royally come off, that's when I can sit back and go, "Oh, this is this is just brilliant." >> Who's the Who's the more patient one with all of the with with with with the chaos?
43:05Is it you or her? >> Uh her. >> Yeah. >> Chaos I'm fine with. But if but manners, right? Rudeness I don't tolerate. And that's when I >> No, Me neither. >> No, that's that's what I How old are yours now, Jason? >> I got 16 and 11. Two girls. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. Um, and I'm totally permissive and the guy that plays around and I don't have to really be the disciplinarian, but then but if it's if it's the rudeness, if it's stuff like that and I just like the switch gets thrown.
43:32>> Yeah, same. >> Yeah, I pick and choose my moments. >> Yeah, the chaos is great. Yeah, rudeness. I [snorts] >> Yeah, I've got we've got uh we've got uh 14 we've got 14 12 and then my partner, she's a 5-year-old and then we have an almost threeyear-old. >> Oh, all boys. ALL BOYS. NO WAY. >> YEAH. >> You've almost got the hockey team.
43:52>> Almost got the team. And it's a [ __ ] And it is Sometimes it is absolute just abject chaos. Like just >> How do you How do you like it? >> I love it. It's great. Yeah, I love it. It's I don't know. I just wouldn't have it any other way. I I I embrace it. It's fun. Uh same same thing. All They're all nice.

Family life and parenting

44:10They're all nice kids and everybody, you know, is uh has good manners and stuff. That's one of the thing. But but I love it, man. And I love it when it just gets absolute, you know, sometimes when you get into the witching hour, sort of near bedtime, it gets >> [ __ ] bonkers. >> Yeah. Um, >> how about the complications, Matthew, of the of travel and stuff since you guys are both very active in your careers and your kids are now deeply entrenched in in school and having that sort of social
44:37and academic continuity like you can't really pick them up and take them places with you as much as you want, I'll bet. Right. How do you guys manage that? Is it easy or tough? It is tough. We I mean we try and live by this ridiculous rule where one of us works, one of us doesn't and that you know the kids stay at school, but it's it's just >> that never works out, right?
44:54Because like what if somebody gets a great great call and it's you just can't say no, but this is your turn and you know >> Yeah. This is what this is what happened last year and grandma came in and you know the kids ate sugar for six solid months. They they love they loved it. Well, I think that my my sort of view on it always is is that is that you have this idea of how you want it to go.
45:16So you say like one of us is going to work, one of us not, whatever that thing is >> and you try to set those parameters and you try to get as close to it as you can >> and you have to be flexible and allow yourself to, you know, that that there are going to be moments when it's just pure chaos. Yes.
45:32And the truth is kids are so incredibly resilient. Like they don't know any different, you know. I grew up in a house where my mom was a stewardist for Panama or flight attendant. She was gone two weeks of every month. That was just normal to me. You know, just had my mom half the time. And that was just uh normal.
45:50>> Yeah. >> I had my dad Oh, never mind. Um so >> Matthew's gonna love this story. Matthew, no. No. Yeah. Go. >> So it starts with a with a a Chevy Pontiac uh the engine turning on. >> Yeah. And it and it ends with a peel out. Yeah. Just a peel out >> and and [laughter] and a sort of a distant kind of [ __ ] you.
46:09>> [ __ ] y'all. [ __ ] all y'all. [laughter] >> I'm out. >> John, this isn't true, is it? >> Yeah, it's true. My dad left five. >> And he left and he was left his mom to to keep an eye on all of them. [laughter] >> And I stress >> his mother has one eye. >> And I'd stress and I >> Matthew, it's it's brilliantly uh tragic.
46:30You have to [laughter] laugh. >> It's fun. We have to do >> We have to laugh at our misfortunes because >> But wait, I'm going to ask you a weird question only because you're wearing a black t-shirt and you see and I've seen a lot of photos of you and stuff like where you you seem very you seem very kind of fat like you're into fashion when you have to be.
46:46Like I know nothing like I'm terrible, but like you're probably like Will. You're probably like Will where you're like I I like to look good when I even go to the store. I like to look good when I go out in public. Like is that it seems like a lot of effort. Oh, no. No. If if you truly knew me, it Kelly said the other day because I have I have I have these beaten up car hearts and I wear all usually just the same black t-shirt every day.
47:10Even K's like, "You've you've got you've got to change for the school run. You've worn the same thing [laughter] for for it's now it's now months and my car hearts are really beaten up." And there's there was this there was this >> What's cards? >> Car hearts. Sorry. >> It's a brand clothing brand. Cars.
47:26It's like we're all the carpenters of carart. Yeah. All the carpenters wear them and the and the real real worker guys and and and I wear them into the ground. They look so terrible that there was I was standing in school pickup in line and this mother kind of looked at my travels and she said, "What what is it you do?"
47:44And I went >> I went, "Oh, I'm I'm I'm actually an actor." And she went, "Oh, >> oh." [laughter] >> It's like almost like why are you wearing Why are you masquerading as someone who works for a living? Well, you have your uniform. >> Well, it's like Jason always gets the question when they see him. They always say, "What what time's your tea time?"

Hair color and fashion

48:03Right? Isn't that the question? >> Well, when [laughter] I wear this little outfit, it's it's clear, you know. You know what I do get a lot? You know, I do get a lot is uh do you do you color your hair? And now recently, because of this uh this film where I'm playing a guy in 1985, they think it's a wig.
48:17Just a full-blown wig that I'm wearing. >> Yeah. >> I'm looking forward to that immensely. No one thinks that my hair is the right is the real color cuz in your 70s like you are it's nobody that's not true. >> It's it's not believable that a 70-year-old would know >> I I have to admit that there have been I've had a few people in the last year who have asked me Jason if you >> if I color my hair.

Perry Mason with Robert Downey Jr.

48:41Yeah. Same. >> I tell everyone that you color your hair. >> It's [laughter] you son of a [ __ ] >> It was it was Yeah. It was during that It was during that moment. Do you remember do you I don't know if you remember this in the Golden Globes that this is sounds perversely pretentious but it still makes me laugh that kind of green the virtual green room if you remember is you me Bob Odenkirk >> um Josh O'Conor and then we were all waiting for Alpuccino to kind of pop up do you remember into the virtual green
49:12room and we're all wait we're all waiting and then he pops up >> because we're all at home during the pandemic and he looks like a Bond villain cuz he has like a small dog in his lap and >> [laughter] >> And he's choking it. Yes. And we all sort of say, we all go, "Hi, hello, hello, hi, hi, hi." And then then this silence and then we cut into a second round.
49:30We're like going, "Hello, hi." No, nothing. And then I think you said, "I don't think he can hear us." And then Patino just goes, "Oh, I can hear you." >> Oh, boy. [laughter] Yeah. >> We all went, "Oh, >> just doesn't want to do the group high." >> And then he said, "I think he colors his hair." >> Yeah.
49:46[laughter] >> Oh, THIS GUY. OH. OH. HAIR COLOR. HEY, [laughter] so Matthew. >> Yeah, >> quick question for Jason. Why is it the the emblem? Why is the person holding an umbrella? What is that? >> Oh, this is some silly golf sweater. >> Mary Poppins. >> Oh, yeah. What is that? >> Yeah, it actually is a Mary Popp.
50:03This is a uh I believe this is an AT thing, Willie. This is >> from AT. >> Yeah, this is one of the uh >> from that swag room we went into. >> Free swag. >> We have um Smartless Golf stuff coming out soon. >> I love it. >> Oh, let's let's take the opportunity to do a merch tiein show. That's really smart thing.
50:20>> Matthew, what Matthew, can you commit right now to wearing Smartless golf merch to on the school run? >> I My entire closet is mainly made up of clothes I've stolen from jobs. I don't buy a thing. Well, we're going to send you some some smartless golf swag. So, like some uh some uh plus fours, right, for the the pants.
50:38You know, you can wear that. Yeah. You know, >> we were we were listen I do want to say your show gives us so much joy and we were listening Yes, it does. We were listening to it recently >> and Will I think you went to dinner with Sean at J and you and Sean you >> I was not invited. >> Yeah. Well, we we we brought that up in the car.
50:58We were like I wasn't chasing. >> Yeah. I never am. These guys have been all over the world together. I've never asked. Never. I mean they've been to Turkey. They've been to where else guys? >> Yeah, we have. >> Your passport's been stamped. >> Venice, Italy, right? You guys play golf every day. Okay, go ahead.
51:15>> Oh, yeah. So, so you did say that you were wearing Uggs. Well, the kind of slipper Uggs for dinner. Is that right? Did I remember that right? >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And I said to Kin, "See, >> it's fine." And she went, "They live in LA, >> right?" >> Yeah, [laughter] she's right. >> Sean, that was you wearing the comfy uh shoes for years.
51:31He doing his >> Who looks at your shoes? Nobody looks at your shoes. >> And then I would choose to never come to dinner with you again. >> Cobblers around the world. cobblers. [laughter] >> Yeah. Listen. Um uh so Matthew, so now recently in the last couple years, you've partnered with our with our our good friend, uh Mr.
51:48Downey Jr. >> Oh, yeah. Perry Mason. Now that's a handsome looking show. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Talk to us a little bit about that, first of all, how that came about and what a an absolute terror he is as a executive producer. >> Oh, this yells and screams. Oh, what a screamer. >> Strike. He strikes people.
52:11>> Yes. Yes. With a glove. [laughter] Has a leather glove. A small gauntlet that he sometimes put a metal thimble in it just for the little Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Christ. He's here. He's here. >> He speaks so highly of you. >> How did that come? Uh, how did Yeah. He loves you. He does. >> Robert loves you. And And talk to us a little bit about And Susan as well.
52:31>> Susan does not like Oh, she does. >> Well, yes. >> The great Susan. Uh, the brains of that duo. Um, if I may, >> the wind beneath the wings and the brain and the head. >> Yeah. Um, how did that come into into your sort of into your world? Uh, uh, the Perry Mason project. >> I mean, I'm trying to think what what year it was now because it was it was a it was a while back >> probably three, four years ago maybe.
52:55>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, and I I always, this is what this is how my brain works. When when my manager calls and he goes, you know, team Downey want to talk to you about um a reboot of Perry Mason. My first question was like, who who's TURNED IT DOWN? WHO'S TURNED IT DOWN? >> RIGHT. WHY DOESN'T Robert want to do it?
53:14>> Yes. Well, so that was [laughter] and I think he did. I think that was the whole point that Robert was >> was supposed to do it and and it took them almost 10 years of development and it it went through many very many guises of a TV film, series, and I just think it Robert never quite got there. Yeah.
53:30>> Um, >> so yeah, they reached out for for a meeting which I was ter terrified about. >> And the brilliant Mr. Van Patton um directed that. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was just the Yeah, it was just it was a dream. >> By the way, I love that their their company is called Team Downey, which is always fun to me.
53:46I think that's a great company name. It's I've always been jealous of that. Um, but I don't want Robert to >> I would have called it Touchdown Downey. >> Yeah. Oh, [laughter] that's good. That's nice. >> That would be good, too, right? It's funny. Yeah, it's fun. just like I'm I'm looking to rename mine Master Baitman.
54:01Um but it [laughter] will not it has not cleared. >> So Robert, so so team down so team Downey uh reaches out and you go and you meet with these guys and you're like you're like uh uh did you know that it was going to become this great? Like what was your first thought of it when you were you like excited?
54:18Were you sort of skeptical? Were you >> I mean I was I was I was slightly skeptical cuz I I have >> like did you develop it with them or was it a script? >> Well, you're also carrying a bunch of pedigree out of the Americans. You won the Emmys and Brothers and Sisters that you did for five years with our with our old buddy Robbie Bates, my old friend.
54:38>> Did not want it to suck. >> No. No. But but that was never in doubt because you know I think when you saw team Downey you know um the writers on it Tim Van Patton HBO it was it kind of it was shri of I wasn't concerned that it wouldn't wouldn't be of a certain >> caliber if any if anything my you know it's usually stems from my own insecurities what you know what how how I can turn it into a catastrophe more than anything else but I was very excited I loved it was pitched as a
55:06one-off uh and they were like look we just want to do the origin story and that'll it. And then, you know, halfway through they were like, you know, this it's it works pretty good. It looks good. We should we should think about doing this a little, you know, we should think about doing more of this. I do I did have that small reservation where I've done where I've kind of, you know, Perry Mason is sort of revered.
55:25Well, it was in the UK. It was huge and and here also there is a certain generation of an age group up that kind of go no no no you can't you can't touch Mason, you know, you have you have to leave that alone. And then a ton of people have no recollection of the show whatsoever. >> And that's what Susan said.
55:41She said, "Look, there's there's an entire there are swads of generations ready for a new Perry M. >> Yeah, we can do we can make him whatever we want." And where did you where did you guys shoot that? >> In in LA. They went back to the origin story in the books, which was 1930s LA, which to me was, you know, with Chinatown and everything else was such was so alluring and and and as a kid growing up watching old movies, I was like, "Oh my god, I get to wear a fedora in LA."
56:06>> Did you do an American accent? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you get to wear a fedor in LA like everybody else in Venice, right? [laughter] >> Or Yeah. Or Los Felas. Yeah. >> As an actor, is is the American accent a tough thing to do? And do you have like a phrase that clicks you right into the typical American sound?
56:22That's sort of like a shortcut for you >> there. No, there's no real short. It's still It's still a It's still a huge It's like a I say block >> like hamburger. >> I tell you what. Well, yeah. Well, I tell you what, killer. I went I went up to uh one of the writers early on in in um in Perry Mason. I said, "Hey, is there any chance we can change like murderer to killer?"
56:44>> And he's like, "You do realize you've signed on for Perry Mason?" >> Like, you're going to be saying murderer a lot. And I was like, "Yeah, I hadn't quite thought that one through. That's [laughter] a It's a bit of an Achilles heel for me." That I always sound like that's a tough word to say. >> Yeah.
56:56Like your batteries run out halfway through. You just go murderer. >> Murderer. [laughter] Murderer. I was like, "Do you say killer?" What about suspect? Suspect would be great, >> right? Because the British accent would put an ah on it. Murderer, right? >> Murderer. >> Murder. Murderer. >> Murder. By the way, if you're going to live in America, you got to learn how to say murderer.
57:14I mean, >> sorry. [laughter] >> That's like true. That's going to be the thing you're going to say the most. Jesus Christ. Well, I mean, now so now you've got the second season uh of of Perry Mason coming out, which is fantastic, which you never thought you'd do. No. >> And and >> and that was that was delayed a bit.
57:34Yeah. With uh >> co perhaps >> hugely delayed because it's two into a you know detriment. No, we're going to wait. We're not going to we're not going to shrink the show and make a smaller show of of the first one. We'll wait until we can make the same big show with hundreds of supporting artists and do it.
57:49Right. >> Right. because there's a lot of background players in in in a lot of crowd scenes. Yeah, >> it's a massive production. >> Oh my, it's it's a beast. It's there there are those days I turn up on set and I go, I don't even know how this how this works. My brother my brother-in-law was a tank commander in the British army.
58:06>> Wow. >> For most of his life. And he said, "It's all like if you think about the logistics they have to do, it's insane." But he came on set one day and he went, >> "How does this work?" And he was just so shocked. He goes, "What amazes me." He said, "What amazes me is that so many components have to come together in one tiny moment and be quiet."
58:24He said it was >> it sort of stag it staggered him. He's like he was like >> amazed at the cold sheets and everything. It is. >> It's true. When you watch when you go to a when you go to a big film television set and you watch all these people who are at the top of their game >> and seeing like you said come together in that moment where everybody's got to be silent and everything's got to be great and you see it pulled off.
58:48>> Sometimes it has the timing of something that has to happen in the shot. Whatever it is, it is pretty amazing to watch how good these people are at what they do. >> Yeah. and filming filming in New York, which we obviously did the Americans. Oh, yeah. It's st it's staggering that they get away with what they do in the kind of like location department should be given flack jackets these days for the amount of the amount of abuse they just get from people who want to park, drive down the street or you know enter
59:17a shop. How many times have you had that when you're shooting in New York on the street and then somebody it's like pretty good and then like somewhere in the take you just hear somebody out leaning out a window going I want TO BE IN THE [ __ ] MOVIE >> all the time or again if it says exterior night in the Americans you know you're looping it you know you're adringing it cuz you know there's someone shouting along the line there was this one time in Harlem I was doing a scene and it was like eight guys cuz I
59:41had to shout the scene eight guys were shouting the exact same words along with me the director cuz they've heard it so many times. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Um, Matthew, we have taken up so much of your time. My god, I just realized this has been a treat. >> Ever been a real conversation? >> You're one of us.
59:58You're one of us. >> God, you are one of us. >> This has been a real treat. Sean, I can't wait to see the show. We're all coming to see it. We're very excited about it. >> Oh, that's so nice. Thank you. >> How How are previews going? >> Really well. Really exhausting, but thank you for asking. I walked down the street one day today.
1:00:11Walked down the street to go get my little sandwich, my egg sandwich. Kaiser roll >> and a Kaiser roll. And this woman, this woman stopped me. She was really sweet, but this is how much energy was in her voice. She grabbed my she goes, "I saw your show last night." I go, "Yeah, thank you for coming." She goes, "It's really good."
1:00:29And she just kept talking, [laughter] >> I love New York. >> New York undefeated. >> And that's it. I was like, [laughter] >> she was >> last time I last time I did a play, I was I was I was walking from the theater and this woman just shouted, "You're an asshole." And I just went, "I hope you saw the show."
1:00:49>> Yeah, [laughter] that's not personal. >> Matthew, well, when when we come to New York, I hope that we can grab a meal. You, me, and Carrie, and maybe one of these ding-dongs as well. Be great. Let's go. >> Get Sean and Scotty and JB, and we'll do it up. It'll be great to see you, man. >> Thank you for having me.
1:01:05This has been such a treat. >> It's such a delight and and send all of our love to Carrie. We adore her as well and we adore you. You are, as Sean said, you're one of us. It's been such a pleasure, buddy. And continued success. Perry Mason comes out. What's the release? It's >> It's out now. Out. Monday nights at 9:00.
1:01:23Yeah. >> Monday nights at 9. There we go. >> HBO Max. Yeah. H. >> Congratulations. >> Yeah. Congratulations. All the success, buddy. >> Thank you guys. Thanks. >> Thanks for being here, buddy. Have a good day. >> See you soon. >> Bye. Bye. Slam it shut. [laughter] >> Now there's a nice guy. Well, what's a nice guy like that being How is he friends with you?
1:01:43Like >> because that's the kind of that's the ilk of people that I attract. You know what I mean? It's just likeminded people. Birds of a feather. Cool dude. >> Charming. He knows how to carry on a conversation. >> Yeah, I know. I'm always impressed with guys like that who are just so like relaxed like like >> Well, he's confident, you know.
1:02:01>> He's comfortable, you know. He's got his uniforms, his black t-shirt and his like you guys. cuz he doesn't have an axe to grind. You know what I mean? He doesn't have something to prove all the time anything with his fun tops that he wears. Sean, >> I'm a fun top. Now listen, >> I know you. >> Um, [laughter] speaking of which, where's the cocaine bear?
1:02:17What's he fixing now? >> Huh? >> He's fixing some. Scotty, what are you making? What kind of sandwich? >> Oh, you had a Turks. You had a Turk sandwich. >> Oh, a Turk sandwich. What? Wait. What else is >> What percentage of the day? What percentage of the day? Hang on. What percentage of the day when you yell out, "Hey, uh, Scotty, what are you doing?"
1:02:35is the answer. I'm making a sandwich. [laughter] >> Well, usually it's from me making Sammies. >> That's what I mean. >> Well, so what do we got on the turkey? So, how do you like your turkey sandwich done, Sean? >> I ordered one. Yes. I had one yesterday for lunch. It was a turkey, avocado, lettuce, and extra EXTRA EXTRA MAYO.
1:02:50>> OH, AND ARE we toasting the bread? >> No. >> Really? How about a light toast with a little snack? >> It's like a real soft thing there. Yeah. >> Extra Do you literally say extra extra extra mayo? >> Yes. I always do because they never put enough oil. >> You know what I like? I like it when you get one of those like a sort of like an Italian, you know what I mean?
1:03:05With the different cuts of meat, some cold cuts, lettuce, tomato, and >> some oil and vinegar. Get a little salt, pepp, >> you know. But by the way, it reminds me I was saying about the wearing the hats all around. I remember um >> remember Thorough went through a long phase. He was always wearing like hats and little pork pie hats and fedoras and stuff.
1:03:25And I remember Polar Polar said one day, you you look fadorable. And uh [laughter] it just >> that's good. Really killed us. Yeah. >> Hey, what kind of hat do I have on today? >> You got one of those smartless merch hats. >> That's right. Wait, where do we get one of those? >> Sorry to interrupt, guys.
1:03:40It looks like Carrie Russell's entering the waiting room. She might just want to say hi. You want to just pause? >> Put her on. Put her on. Put Carrie on. Then we're going to air it. >> There she is. >> There she is. >> If you can hear us. Hello. We'll have to have her on. >> They I will tell the boys they can't hear you right now because they're on the other system, but >> you were you were fantastic.
1:03:56Thank you. Bye. Okay, thanks for everything. Really appreciate it. Well done. >> I love that we just had a we just had a quick visual uh visit from Carrie Russell and and we couldn't hear her, but we got to see her and she was there. She's probably with the kids, right, Sean? >> Yeah, she was there. >> Yeah, she probably would.
1:04:13It's about time for pickup. >> Yeah, it's probably or for nap time for her kids, which she would then sing. What would she would What would she sing to them if she was going to put her kids to bed? She'd probably sing like rock baby. [singing] [laughter] >> Jason hates when we go up. >> He just he just pinches that voice off.
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