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Joe Rogan talks with Cody Tucker, a fact-finding internet personality and author of a new book on the history of everyday words, ranging over bizarre crimes, scopolamine, pharma study manipulation, bots, religion, history, and personal habits. The conversation is loose and digressive, with no single formal conclusion beyond Tucker's self-described love of obscure facts and his promotion of his book.
- Tucker describes his method: reading widely, highlighting surprising facts, verifying them, and following tangents, which produced his social media page and his second book.
- The pair discuss scopolamine, a drug used to rob victims in India and Colombia, and its use as an active ingredient in anti-seasickness medication.
- They criticize pharmaceutical peer review, arguing companies control the data and can present misleading 'percent effective' figures.
- Discussion of bots and manufactured outrage, including Tucker's experience with a video about Henry Ford that drew apparently fake comments, and an estimate that around 80% of Twitter accounts were bots before Musk's purchase.
- Tucker discusses the Holocaust-denial comments, the CIA's covert promotion of abstract expressionism, and the Mother Teresa and Vatican funding criticism.
- Tucker shares personal habits: he quit drinking about eight years ago, struggles with overeating, cannot be alone with his thoughts, and says he would not survive in the wild.
- The episode closes with a plug for Tucker's book 'Where Did That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases' and an upcoming audiobook.
- 0:01Tucker's Reading Habits and Rabbit Holes
- 1:58Debbie Harry and Ted Bundy Claim
- 2:39Scopolamine and Devil's Breath
- 6:16Liberia's Warlords and History
- 9:16Pharma Studies and Peer Review
- 11:50Lying, CIA Fraud, and Government Waste
- 16:44Theranos, Elizabeth Holmes, and Ads
- 22:06Government Jobs and Oversight
- 26:22Michael Douglas and Cuckoo's Nest
- 30:37Ex Machina and AI Concerns
- 36:09Tucker's Podcast Origins and Fame
- 38:38Religion, Sexuality, and Mormon Drama
- 42:54Afterlife, Multiverse, and Philip K. Dick
- 47:51History, Stoicism, and Greek Mysteries
- 51:02Fighting, Violence, and UFC Commentary
- 58:20Gymnastics, Tony Hawk, and Giants
- 1:07:48Dire Wolves and Denisovans
- 1:20:23True Crime and Dunning-Kruger
- 1:22:54Gender Debates and SNL Joke
- 1:26:51Bots, Holocaust Denial, and Henry Ford
- 1:36:52Whistleblowers and Social Media Identity
- 1:44:55Music, Oliver Anthony, and Culture
- 1:54:54AI Films and Starvation Scenarios
- 2:03:52Trainers, Diet, and Panic Attacks
- 2:12:07Mother Teresa and Vatican Money
- 2:22:50Modern Art, CIA, and Hendrix
- 2:35:28Rock Feuds and Jerry Lee Lewis
- 2:39:05Televangelists and Jessica Hahn
- 2:43:34Book Plug and Wrap-Up
Tucker's Reading Habits and Rabbit Holes
0:01Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAINED BY DAY, JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> Joe, what's [music] happening? >> Hey, man. >> Good to see you, brother. >> I know. >> You wrote a book. Look at you, you're a author. >> A second one. >> Yeah. >> I never >> is your second book?
0:20>> Yeah, remember last time I was here for a book? >> That's right. Where did that come from? I I still I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent. Like it's one of the best ones I follow, for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content.
0:36Like these non sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences. Like how the are you doing this? >> Dude, I read so much. And I'm a pretty quick reader. Like I've always been very fast, like a a good skimmer. And yeah, I just like all day, every day. That's all I do. >> So you read and then you you you go, oh, that one's crazy.
1:01And you just write it down? >> I Yeah, so like whatever I'm reading, like you say I'm reading a book on like Ben Franklin. I'll anything that comes up that I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting. I don't think a lot of people know about that. Highlight. And then I go through, piece all together, check and make sure it's all, you know, real.
1:19And yeah, and then dive into other things off of that, like kind of spider web out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. >> Constantly? >> All day, every day. Rabbit holes. >> What is that like? >> Uh it can get weird. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I mean, there's sometimes where I'm like, I hope um you know, I hope the FBI's enjoying what they're seeing cuz >> [laughter] >> good lord.
1:41Like I didn't want to be here today, but Yeah, it can get a little odd. Yeah. >> Yeah, because you're you're constantly like researching crimes and >> Yeah. >> Murders, um weird things that have been done to people over time. >> Speaking, you know the Debbie Harry story? >> Well, that she thinks may have happened.
Debbie Harry and Ted Bundy Claim
2:01I don't know if I buy it. >> Really? Tell people what it is. >> Okay, so >> Bundy one. >> So, yeah. So, Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early '70s or late '60s, that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle, and that that car didn't have indoor handles, and she escaped, and she believes that it was Ted Bundy.
2:21But, if you look it up like on, you know, a a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time. So, it could just be another guy >> Oh, jeez. >> doing creepy things. Yeah. When there's one, there's many, you know. >> Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles on the inside of his car.
Scopolamine and Devil's Breath
2:40>> be the last. >> Trap people. >> Yeah, I'm working on it right now. >> I I watched a video today where this young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine. >> What the hell's that? >> Okay, I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know. >> Oh, yeah, I don't know. If it's science-related or anything like that, I'm probably not going to know anything.
3:00>> it's crime-related as well. Scopolamine is a drug that is I guess it's in a class of delirant. Um and if if inhaled, you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like, you you become like a zombie. It's Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real, but it's also the active ingredient in anti-sea sickness medication.
3:28So, when you take Dramamine, >> I'm the captain now. >> Dramamine? >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Look at me. >> Yeah, that's what he was doing. He blew it right in Hank's face. >> Scopolamine is the one of the ingredients in Dramamine. >> Oh. >> So, I don't know. I guess it's a very small dose, but in a larger dose.
3:47So, this guy this young guy came up behind this guy in India and he put it on [snorts] his neck and the guy touches his neck and then all of a sudden he just keeps touch his neck and the guy just takes his bag off of him, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone out of his other pocket and walks off and the guy's just standing there just helpless.
4:10Lost and helpless. >> That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. >> Yeah, it's like >> That's so crazy. God. >> I What do they refer to it as? There's a >> They're devil's breath. >> Devil's breath. That's right. In Colombia the drug dealers use it to force people to do things. >> Yeah, okay. >> They blow it in their face and when they inhale it it's like they literally just come up to you >> Right.
4:32Where have I seen that in a movie? >> Um >> There was a zombie movie a long time ago. >> Serpent in the Rainbow? >> That's right. >> Oh, I love that movie. >> Yeah, great movie. I'm so glad we just brought that up. I forgot about that movie. >> Yeah, Serpent in the Rainbow is on my I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid.
4:49>> Well, I was just >> Look. >> Think that that might be a part of the whole zombie lore that scopolamine use. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. >> Yeah, it's apparently like see if there's any videos of people getting dosed with scopolamine. Cuz this guy I didn't know that people did it to rob people and this guy in India he just like touched some of it on this guy's neck.
5:18>> Right, right. >> standing behind him and he was looking at the guy's bag and you know, looking the guy over the guy's waiting across the street and he just >> Yeah. >> reaches and touches the side of his neck with it. >> Oh, so it's potent as hell. >> Potent as hell. >> Man. >> Well, he didn't go unconscious but he immediately was just like what the hell and then he's just like just just delirious just just moving around weird.
5:40The guy just took his >> Wonder where you buy that. >> It's a good question. >> Hm. >> Maybe you shouldn't search that either. >> Well, I've searched worse. >> What's that, James? >> Patches of it for motion sickness. >> Yeah, motion sickness. But like, how many patches do you have to take before someone could just steal your wallet?
5:55>> Do you have to like mummify them? [laughter] Just head to toe. >> I know, right? What do you >> Like those are mummy's Yeah. >> I uh Is there any videos of people on the videos of >> on YouTube are literally all like the patches and like people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago.
6:14>> Mhm. >> But it's in Colombia. >> Boy, 14 years ago Vice was the >> Oh man, did you ever watch um the Cannibal Warlords of um uh Liberia? >> Liberia, yeah. >> Yeah, about General Butt Naked. >> Yeah. >> And Charles Taylor. >> Oh my god, that's I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life.
Liberia's Warlords and History
6:32>> It's so terrifying that they did that. >> Yeah. >> And that that guy just he just became a preacher and it's all forgiven. He was eating kids. >> Yeah, eating their hearts. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, saving the heart because it >> Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive. [laughter] And then eating their heart and then and then he found Jesus and it was forgiven.
6:50>> Yeah, well. I mean, I guess that is you know, what it says in there. But >> What a great place to live though, in terms of like actual real forgiveness. Very few places give you that kind of leeway. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you found Jesus? >> Well, didn't he he caught a guy serving human meat? >> Yes. >> Like a guy was serving it like on a stick, you know?
7:08>> While he was a preacher. >> Right, right. He tasted it and was like, uh-oh. I know this taste. >> Yeah. >> And reported him. >> Yeah. And it was true. >> Yeah, guy was killing people and just, you know, turning them into like a >> lunch counter. >> shish kebab. >> Yeah, Liberia is a up place. So, do you know the story of Liberia?
7:26>> About like James Monroe? Is that Liberia or is that Libya? >> No, Liberia. Liberia was like a colony that was going to be, you know, like take basically all slaves back to >> Exactly. >> spot. And that's why the capital is Monrovia cuz it's named after James Monroe, the president. >> Right. >> Yeah.
7:42>> So, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos. >> Yeah, cuz yeah, we completely screwed that one up. >> We that whole country up. And then that general butt naked guy would literally take his clothes off, fully naked, and run into battle with an AK-47 [snorts] and a machete. >> Yeah. >> Normally, you just use a machete, which Yeah.
8:04I don't think it would have the same effect if I did that. >> Butt naked? >> Yeah. >> Machete? >> No, I don't think it would be. I don't know. Well, that's probably true. Actually, I'd probably be even more effective than now. >> It's a lot of a lot of fear. A lot of fear coming off of you. >> A lot of meat.
8:19A lot of meat. >> Yeah, a lot of meat. >> AK-47. >> Not a lot of speed, though. >> Not a lot of speed. >> Actually, I'm faster than you would imagine. >> of momentum. >> Oh, yeah. Once I start, I can't be stopped. >> [laughter] >> I mean, no, I'm faster than you think, you know, all jokes aside. Do you run?
8:38>> Well, if I have to. >> But how do you know then? When was the last time you had to run away from something? >> how like when you're not running, you're not moving, you're storing energy. >> Okay. >> Right. You know, like you're just kinetic energy and potential energy. This is all I know about science.
8:51It really [laughter] is about this. >> moving, you're storing energy? Like if you're napping. >> Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy. So, you must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy. That's ready to go.
9:08>> Well, I've been doing [laughter] that for about 15 years. So, the amount of energy I have stored up [snorts] is probably second to none. >> I don't think that would work in a study. I think if you did a study, I think they'd they'd probably have some other explanations as to what's happening when you just sit still.
Pharma Studies and Peer Review
9:26>> paid the right person, I think >> [laughter] >> I'd get the results I wanted. >> That's true. That's what's crazy. When you find out that we had one of these guys that was on our podcast was a litigator for these lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies. >> And he's explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer-reviewed studies.
9:48>> Oh, I'm sure that's it. >> Oh, [laughter] it's so crazy. So, first of all, they there's no transparency. So, like say if you have a drug that you want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight of them show this is complete But one or two of them show just some sort of statistically significant improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all the different controls in the study to make it.
10:13Then you get once you have this if it's peer-reviewed, the scientists do not get to look at the actual data. >> Okay. >> They they get to look at the pharmaceutical drug companies scientists version of what the study was. >> Okay. >> So, they only get to use what their like So, if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists submit a report and then that report gets reviewed by peer it gets peer-reviewed.
10:45Not the actual data. >> Okay. So >> no one ever gets to see the actual study. So, that's one of the reasons that they can say crazy things like it's 100% effective. >> Right, right, right. >> in in in stopping death and illness. >> Yeah. >> they say it's 100% effective, you know how they say that? >> Mhm.
11:03>> So, if you have one person in the control group or or two one person in the vaccine group or the the medication group and that person dies and then you have a control group where two people die. >> Mhm. >> Well, 100% more died in the control group where they didn't get the medication. So, that means it's 100% effective.
11:25I'm not bullshitting. >> [laughter] >> Oh, boy, that's a >> Isn't that wild? >> to have a uh to reach that kind of >> sociopathy. >> That's amazing. >> That's sociopathy at a where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people. And that's how you get things like Vioxx. >> Yeah. See, that's the job I need cuz I'm [laughter] very good at that kind of thing.
Lying, CIA Fraud, and Government Waste
11:50>> Like moving words around? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can make all kind of I mean, I've I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience in that field. And so and it was just because I lied. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Well, like what kind of jobs have you had? >> Oh, it's nothing crazy.
12:06I've never been like a you know, a doctor or anything. But I mean, it was you know, working like at a eyeglass place or you know, or a movie theater, you know, like I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never No, I just lie. And >> Well, movie theater no one's going to get hurt. >> what I'm saying.
12:20Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could get people hurt. >> But did you say you had a degree? >> No, I said I was on my way of get to getting one. Which I guess technically is true if >> Sure. >> I mean, any I'm on my way if you know. I'm going to be a scientist.
12:36I just haven't started. >> Speaking of that, how does this happen when the the CIA guy that stole all that money? How does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals a hundred and fifty million dollars? >> So he faked a college degree and he faked his military service and got into the CIA and was a senior CIA official.
13:02>> How? >> Well, they didn't check. They did the Cody Tucker act. >> [laughter] >> No, he just didn't keep a straight face. I mean, or he kept a straight face. That's all you got to do. >> That guy That guy's wild. What a wild fellow he must have been. >> Yeah, that's >> Please tell me some cocaine involved in here somewhere.
13:19>> Oh, there has to >> He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watch, two BMWs. >> answer to the cocaine question. >> Private charter flights, he spent 1.8 million. Oh, yeah. Luxury Florida real estate in Palm Beach. >> But also he's just got caught. There's no way he came up with this out of a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea.
13:38I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way. >> Right. I feel like I could do >> Well, there's no way he's the only one. >> That's what I mean. Yeah, like >> Yeah. Well, that's where those all those stories about like the the the dude from the Tom Cruise movie. What the his name again? >> Georgio?
13:52>> No, um the coke dealer. >> The American Made >> American Made >> Is that movie >> The Mena Arkansas story? >> Yes. >> This guy was working for the CIA, going down to Colombia, getting cocaine, flying it into Mena, Arkansas, dropping it off. And you know, he he got busted with it and then Bill Clinton had him released.
14:15That's in the movie. >> Well, I mean >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I think that was his MO quite a bit. >> Well, I think the CIA and I think probably a lot of the big government >> organizations. Is this the guy the guy's gold? >> This is the gold and the cash he had at his house. >> He had like 3 million in cash and 40 million in gold bars or so.
14:32>> It looks fake. Like it just looks like a movie. It looks like a prop. >> Yeah. Well, it's also like the perfect box. Those might be like Is that how they found it or is this like how the government stored it? >> stored it and then took a picture of it. >> look like, you know, government Pelican boxes.
14:48>> I mean maybe it was the ones he bought cuz I don't know. >> I feel like if I had all that, I'd probably store it pretty nicely. >> Right. I'd have like LED lights around it and I'd take off all my clothes and dance in front of it. >> Oh, yeah, yeah. [laughter] Oh, wait. Those could be ones in there and I'd still do that.
15:03It'd be like, you know, Pulp Fiction when they open the case and the stuff >> yellow like gold light. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes. >> Well, [laughter] congrats. There's a plug for Rolex. >> Two 2026 BMW Alpina's. That's the those are the really nice ones. Woo. Uh he's scheduled to be sentenced January 28th, 2027.
15:23Faces a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, 3 years of supervised release, forfeiture, restitution, and a fine. >> A fine. >> Yeah. Meanwhile, they should probably rehire him and go, "Hey, buddy, how'd you do this?" >> I feel like that's worth it. 20 years? >> Yeah. >> to live that life. >> Oh, he probably had a ball.
15:42I wonder how long he was doing it for. Did it >> No, it didn't really say that, did it? Um, I mean, even if it was like 10 years, you know? 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of, you know, prison, I feel like is like a fair trade. >> He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime.
15:57So, you got to and then like maybe he goes to like a fairly I mean, it's not like he did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go to the worst kind of prison. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. >> Not going to go to a supermax. >> Uh >> They'll probably put him in some medium security where he gets to read and go do exercises.
16:16>> Yeah. >> He could take courses and take college. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Or the Ghislaine Maxwell prison. >> Oh, yeah. >> She's kind of in the same prison, right? >> probably yeah, end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it for >> Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady? The Theranos lady?
16:33>> in that Yeah. >> Hilarious. >> can't wait to see that. >> Hilarious. A sex trafficker and [laughter] a lady who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary. It's not out yet, right? >> Is it out yet? >> I don't think it >> It comes out this week. Okay. >> Woo. >> I cannot wait. >> He's great.
Theranos, Elizabeth Holmes, and Ads
16:49>> Oh, he's ex >> He's excellent. >> He's amazing. Which I didn't really know about him until like pretty recently. So, I've been doing like kind of a you know, deep dive into just his whole, you know, stuff like on the show and it is he's amazing. He's hilarious. And just so clever. >> The way he's holding her his gaze with her in that that that little clip is just her face is just wild.
17:10You got to just You know like we all have empathy for people. Like I mean, I don't think she killed anybody. So, the thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing with health stuff and you're lying about health tests, you could have killed people. Because there could have been a guy who had [clears throat] a condition and the condition was not revealed by your figazi blood test.
17:33Right. And if you had gone to a real doctor, like a Quest Diagnostics, and get the whole thing done, they would have said, "Oh, jeez, we have to get you in and we have to do some further tests. Oh, it looks like this is elevated. We have some medication. You're going to be okay." He could have, you know, like there could be some people that took those tests that wound up not not knowing about cancer that they had.
17:53They They could have been a bunch of things where people actually did die. So, I take that back. >> But, trade-off, she also could have told people that they had a bad disease, horrible disease, and then they are in, you know, deep despair. They go to get a follow-up and find out they never had it and now they have a new lease on life.
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19:04AG1 next gen or AG1 Pro backed by a 90-day money-back guarantee. That's drink ag1.com/joerogan. >> I don't think that happened. I don't think those tests found anything. I think they were it's I I listened to there's an excellent podcast and you know there's podcasts like this one where obviously we didn't even talk before we came in here.
19:31We just sat down shoot the I know you you know me. We're going to have fun. >> Oh yeah. >> But then there's other podcasts that are like really well produced like RadioLab. >> Oh yeah. >> super well produced I it's I I >> Yeah. >> or like uh Dan Carlin's hardcore history where he takes months to prepare for each episode.
19:47I'm we're barely doing the same thing. I'm not really >> [laughter] >> they should have a much more elegant name to whatever it is that they do. >> Yeah. >> But they had one I think it's called The Dropout. And uh I forget who produced it but it's all about the Elizabeth Holmes story. >> Okay. >> of Theranos to her scammy ex-boyfriend who was also the dropout.
20:12>> Okay. >> ABC audio. It's excellent. It's I can't recommend it enough. It's really good and it just goes into uh long detail about what was going on and how much they knew was >> Right. >> It's it was Like these people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them. It didn't work. And they they got people big investors.
20:35I think Warren Buffett he might have dumped a hundred million in there. Like these people dumped big money in. >> Yeah. >> One lady dumped a hundred and fifty in there. >> A hundred fifty million? >> Yeah and that money's gone. You know like so like that lady when she gets out her life is in danger. You know like she's she's >> Oh I would do horrible things to people for far less money than >> A hundred and fifty million and you find out the problem is it's like it seemed like such a great story.
21:06You have this woman who's a super genius, basically the female Steve Jobs. She even dresses like him. And she is the most successful self-made woman in history. >> Yeah. >> She was worth $9 billion at one point in time. >> If only. >> [laughter] >> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> It's a crazy story. >> It is amazing.
21:28I mean, just what a horrible human being. >> But it's also just like Jamie said, like how did it get that far? Like Jamie said with the CIA guy, how the did you fake all those things? How did you fake your military career? How do they not check that? >> I feel I feel like oversight is much more prevalent than what you know people think.
21:49You know, or just >> Lack of. >> Lack of oversight. >> Yeah. >> Is is you know, people usually aren't very good at their jobs. Just in general. Like you know, anytime you work with somebody you realize, oh none of us know what we're doing here. And I think that doesn't stop at a certain level. I think most people are just barely able to do their job.
Government Jobs and Oversight
22:06>> Especially in government. >> Oh, in government I mean, good lord. >> That's the the problem is a lot of these jobs don't need to exist. That's one of the weird statistics about California. When California is experiencing it's this mass exodus >> Mhm. >> its government grew substantially. >> [laughter] >> Substantially.
22:26So they're creating jobs. Like when they talk about creating This administration has created over 100,000 jobs. They don't tell you how many of those are completely unnecessary government jobs. And so to justify those government jobs, they have to do all kinds of crazy things. Like come up with new regulations and constantly like trying to enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean air or clean water or the environment or climate change or >> Yeah.
22:54Yeah, no, if you can make your own jobs, I mean, you can have an endless supply of jobs. >> Sure. If you are running a government and you just decide to regulate some particular aspect of society and then hire a bunch of people to oversee that then you have new jobs. You have an entire committee. >> Yeah.
23:11>> And everybody in that committee has their you know person is just a pyramid scheme. >> Exactly. >> Which really is it's like multi-level marketing but the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling. >> Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things they sell it to the general public under the guise under this premise that you're going to help people who are in need like the homeless situation California where they've they've burned through 24 billion
23:38dollars and Gavin Newsom vetoes an audit of it. >> [laughter] >> Because what they'll find out >> sign. >> is that money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably went to a bunch of NGOs and there was probably a bunch of people that were executives that got paid >> Oh, yeah. >> high six-figure salaries working there and they have no incentive whatsoever to fix this problem.
24:00>> No. >> You got a nice house in Santa Monica. You got a mortgage. You you're driving around in a a Lexus. >> Yeah. >> Why would you fix that? >> No, people don't police themselves typically. Once they get to a certain level, I think you know the average person does you know they choose to maybe drive the speed limit even if there's not a cop around or whatever but I think once you get to a certain level when there's that much money involved yeah you'll you'll usually just kind of
24:24do whatever the hell you want. >> Especially if you're in government. >> Yeah, that's like cuz you're the guy that is going to stop you. >> Yeah. >> So like if oh you mean I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me? I don't think so. Like I'm not going >> You're literally like you're part of the intelligence agency and you've got a closet in your house filled with gold and hundred-dollar bills and cocaine.
24:46>> That'd be nice. >> You've got 30 Rolexes. >> [laughter] >> You're you're balling out of control. >> Yeah, I'm not slowing that down for >> Why WOULD HE SLOW DOWN? >> NO, NO. >> They probably feel like okay, I'm going to make one big score and then I'm going to get out. >> Yeah. Oh, that's yeah, yeah, it's heat.
25:03>> Yeah, it's this is our last one, you know. >> Michael Douglas was in here yesterday. >> I heard. >> It was great. And one of his crazy stories was his dad you know, when he turned 18, his dad basically said look, I'm going to write you a check for $10,000 and then that's it. You're cut off. And so the way he fund and he's like but I have a I have student loans, I have this and that.
25:23So the way he funded his education is he was smuggling marijuana. Like huge suitcases and this is pre-TSA. So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. >> [laughter] >> And he only did it twice. He did it twice. >> How do you do it just twice? >> That's what I said.
25:44I'm like what willpower you have? >> It is a lot, yeah. >> He goes it was so crazy and so nerve-wracking. There was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught. But he made a bunch of money. And that's how he financed everything. >> That's amazing. He produced Didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
26:00>> He did with Creedence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager of John Fogerty, John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast. That guy was a scumbag and he was like stealing his money. >> Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much like himself. It was amazing. [laughter] John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty.
26:17>> When he left Creedence and started his own band is like you sound too much like Creedence. Like I wrote all the songs. >> Like you wrote them. >> Of course I do. You want me to make a reggae album? I mean yeah, that's on me. >> Creedence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Michael Douglas and Cuckoo's Nest
26:33>> That's amazing. I did not know the CCR connects. I knew that he produced it cuz I remember watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and I was like why the hell is Michael Douglas's name on this and he's not even in it. And then I was like oh yeah, he wasn't even really an actor. >> At that point. >> He was trying to act and what was going on was that his father had acquired the rights to the book.
26:51>> Yeah, from Ken Kesey. >> Yes. >> Right. Yeah, yeah. >> Yes. [snorts] >> Yeah, yeah. >> So, Ken Kesey from the Kool-Aid Acid Test, from you know, the whole Timothy Leary, tune in, drop out, all that jazz. >> Discovering the Grateful Dead, kind of. >> Yeah. All those people. So, um so, he writes the book and then um they're trying to get it made, they can't get it made, and then Michael Douglas says, "Give me a shot at this.
27:12I think I can get He just becomes enthralled with the project. Quits his job on Streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely popular television show. >> So, here's this guy, he's a television actor, and at the same time he wins an Academy Award for producing a film. >> That's so crazy. >> Crazy. It's right up your alley.
27:32>> Yeah, I mean, it's like >> type of >> Oh, I love anything like that. I mean, yeah. It's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man, and he wanted um his name taken off the credits cuz he didn't want people to think it was a comedy. >> He did? >> Yeah. So, yeah, like The Elephant Man with John Hurt and um Anthony Hopkins.
27:48Yeah, he produced it cuz he just loved the story of you know, John John Merrick, I think is his name. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah, just loved his story and wanted to have a movie have the movie made. >> Wow. >> And he's like, "God, I mean, if my name's at the beginning of this, Mel Brooks presents The Elephant Man, people are going to think it's like, you know, making fun of him."
28:06>> Right, right, right. Yeah, he can't. >> Yeah. >> But he still wanted to do it and did it. >> That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then he took his name off it. >> Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. Love that movie. >> It's a great movie. >> What movie do you think you've seen the most?
28:21If you had to guess. >> Unfortunately, John Wick. >> Oh, well, okay. >> [laughter] >> Cuz I watch it I watch it when I work out sometimes. It's great motivation. >> Oh, okay. >> It's a good revenge movie, you know, get you hyped. >> No, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Just curious. >> Yeah, but it's not like I don't think it's the best movie ever.
28:40>> What do you think is the best movie ever? >> [sighs] >> Like if If alien came down and was like, I want to see one movie to know what y'all are about. >> You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie. But one of the movies that I've seen, a modern movie that I've seen multiple times is Ex Machina.
29:01Um because I feel like that is uh I think that's the future. I really I really do. I I I feel like a version of that is is in our future. And this is a film that came out Was Ex Machina like 2017? >> No, it was earlier than that, like 11. >> Was it? >> 2011, 2013 maybe. >> 2014. >> 14. >> So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going, oh my god, like this is going to happen.
29:31Like this is not science fiction. This is just they're just predicting the future. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Actually it says it released in 2015. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, wasn't it released in America first? >> Well, it's not an American film, is it? I mean, it's in English, but like >> 2014 here, and then here it says USA 2015.
29:54>> So it just it just was released probably in Cannes or something. >> end of the year or something. >> Right. >> Yeah, cuz in Cannes, you know, they'll release it during that film festival, and technically it'll be >> a phenomenal phenomenal movie. >> It's so good. >> Yeah, she's amazing. Alicia Vikander.
30:10>> She's incredible. She's incredible, and like you love her. You like love her, and she's a robot, and and the like spoiler alert, the heartless way that she like leaves that guy trapped in that movie to starve to death and trapped in that room to starve to death >> Yeah. >> It's just like woah. Like has nothing.
30:26There's nothing in there. It's all fake. >> Allan Poe. >> Yeah. >> Cask of Amontillado, leaves him on a brick wall, but yeah. >> But it's also there's these weird um like the What was his name? Oscar Isaac? Who's phenomenal as well. Who plays the super genius guy. Like there's something about like that super genius character is what we're all dealing with today.
Ex Machina and AI Concerns
30:50Like we That wasn't a concern amongst the general public in 2015. We weren't thinking about AI. We weren't thinking about the idea that someone could could literally have super intelligence and also control the access to data that people get, be able to curate the data, all the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and AI and open AI and all these different companies.
31:14That was I mean it was like they predicted it brilliantly. >> Yeah. It's like her. That's a great one that kind of predicts, you know, how people have gone with their AI, you know, people developing relationships with their AI, like the chat GPT, you know, system or whatever, is very weird. I mean, it's I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense cuz, well, you know, what's going to happen, but like just not good for people.
31:36It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and you would realize that this thing is not real and it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass and giving me therapy. Like and there's some of those AIs that they'll they'll gaslight you and they'll tell you everything's amazing. You go, boy.
31:56You're you're kicking ass. That's what I need in life. >> [laughter] >> Cuz in here it is not that case. It is not the case. I'm not a, you know, you're the you're killing it, buddy. So, no, I use my chat GPT to make me feel good sometimes. Have you pump you up? Yeah. Just like you might all right. Do you do instruct it like what kind of language you like it to use?
32:13No, I think it's just figured me out. Just, yeah, talk like, yeah, talk in short words and sentences and, yeah, make me feel all right. Say you're going to be okay, Cody. Everything's fine. People love you. Got a lot of followers. Yeah. I mean, I don't really care about that but you know, if it's nice to, you know, it's nice to feel good.
32:34>> It It nice to feel good, but they also convince you that you should commit suicide. That's happened before, too. >> Yeah. I don't think I could be convinced. If I was going to do it, it'd be on my own accord. Um but I'm way too scared for that kind of business. >> Well, you are uh guys like like I I asked you.
32:52I go, "Oh, you got an Android phone." And you go, "Yeah, I'm not a sheep." >> Amen. >> [laughter] >> Yep. Never will. Always have had an Android. I mean, that's also just out of kind of out of laziness cuz I just don't want to learn something new. >> Apple's pretty easy to learn. >> Yeah. >> The The thing is though, it is it's like the Windows Apple operating system comparison or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that.
33:15But it's that you are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are only this one company. Whereas with Android, you can get all kinds of crazy I mean, you could buy unlocked phones from China and use them over here. Yeah. I just >> I also just kind of don't care. I don't care about Android, Apple.
33:31I don't care what someone has. I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a are people who It's always people who have iPhones. They're the ones who look down like, you know, like, "Oh, you have an Android." So I get like I also don't care. Like I would be just fine. If I didn't use this as like an easy way to read I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a razor, you know, or like some flip phone.
33:56>> Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting. Cuz I do like texting friends and it's like texting addresses and information and stuff like that. I think it's important. >> What was that Paris Hilton phone? The Sidekick? >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Paris Hilton That's what I was on. >> [laughter] >> She was in the commercial, I think.
34:13Yeah, see, that's what I want. >> were a brick. Those things were huge. Those things are so big. >> Yeah, that's what I want. [snorts] >> Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are little flip phones and they have a little tiny keyboard and you can text on them. They do make those still. >> I wouldn't mind something like that.
34:30>> Yeah, it's not a bad idea. If you just like uh I know a few comics like David Tell, he he has a flip phone. Cuz if you cuz they just don't want to be connected to that toxic hive of human thinking. >> Oh yeah, I get sucked into um just doom scrolling as the kids say, you know, all the time. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:48We all do. >> And and I uh hate that I do it. >> Do you know what the thing that keeps me from doing it is if I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep the phone outside of the bathroom, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's that book will take care of that business for you. >> way better. >> Wrote it based on the length of the average dump.
35:07>> Did you really? >> Yeah, well, I >> Calculated it? >> Well, I just bri- you know, roughly. >> read the whole book and it takes you a dump, you need to go to a doctor. >> Oh no, no, no, no. I mean like well, yeah, [laughter] yeah. Well, some people just like their alone time. >> Your legs are going to be numb.
35:20>> Yeah, no, like [snorts] if you you know, each little section for the average reading speed is equal to like the average dump length. >> Mhm. >> So, you just read that, take a dump, and you learn something. And forget if you know, forget it immediately. >> No, that's smart. Um >> But um >> How did I mean I must have asked you this when you first came on, but I don't remember the answer.
35:41How did you start doing this? >> Uh had a podcast. Just me blabbering about nothing. And at the end, I would like end it with like uh just a fun story from like the past, you know. Um called like Half-Assed History. And it would I would just end it that way. And then started clipping it cuz one of my friends like you should just clip that little bit and do like a separate thing.
36:07And uh started doing that. And then just slowly over time, thanks to uh people like yourself, it started to kind of take off cuz you you know, helped out with that quite a bit. And a lot of people Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot like just sharing it. Just sharing it. He's one of the coolest human beings on the >> him to death.
Tucker's Podcast Origins and Fame
36:23>> And uh you know, Greg Fitzsimmons is also amazing guy. Like you know, I just luckily had people see it that helped, you know. Cuz otherwise I was just doing it for nobody, which was fine. Like I like I just like making stuff and learning stuff and teaching stuff. So. >> What has it been like to watch it get so popular?
36:42Has it been weird? >> Yeah, I don't really I think mostly cuz I live in a pretty small town, so I don't like and I don't go out ever really. So like I don't notice it like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and all that kind of business. >> Right. >> I mean I guess I have a few times and it's very weird.
36:59Um but I just don't really think about it. Like sometimes I'll see like a cuz I don't read comments usually, but I'll see somebody follow me and I'm like, holy hell. Like that person knows who I am. Like that's weird. Like Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, oh my god, Johnny Knoxville. [laughter] Like that's you know.
37:14Like that's my Michael Jordan. Like whenever I saw that it's like hard like you'd be lying if you said like that didn't make you feel, you know. >> He's cool. He's fun. >> Yeah, and I just uh So little things like that will happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool. But otherwise I'm just kind of like living my life watching Real Housewives and working on videos, yeah.
37:34>> But you really watch Real Housewives? >> Oh, every day almost. Yeah. [laughter] I mean right now I'm in the throes of the um Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I would highly recommend cuz there's a lot of Mormon business going on. >> Oh, yeah. The the Mormon business is fascinating. >> what a weird little group of people.
37:53Yeah, so you get that mixed with um you know, drink throwing and all that kind of business. >> Apparently there's a lot of uh and this is not a slight on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong. But um I think this is true amongst Catholics as well, but there's a a lot well, probably many religions. There's a lot of undercover homosexuality.
38:13>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You don't Yeah, I'm sure. >> So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, uh is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl, got married when she was 19, and when she was like 35, 36, realized her husband was gay. And >> [laughter] >> there's a situation.
38:33Now they're divorced. And the stories she tells the stories and you're just like, "Oh my god." So apparently it's just rampant. >> Yeah, there's a there's actually a little bit of a situation like that on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. >> Is there? >> Kind of. I mean, I just I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay, but um the rumors are yeah, that he is.
Religion, Sexuality, and Mormon Drama
38:52There's one of the husbands and yeah, he's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think >> Does he also like musicals? >> Well, I mean, I >> [laughter] >> think they go hand in hand in my book, but um >> Big fan of Cher. >> And Donna Summer. >> [laughter] >> I'm a big fan of Donna Summer. >> Well, huh, well, all right, you're good in there then.
39:13Big Rocky Horror Picture Show fellow. >> Right, right, right. >> Yeah, I just uh No, you know, and then it kind of seems like he might be. I don't know. >> I mean, yeah, you never really know, but um It says it >> But I'm sure that is a prevalent thing. I mean, repressed homosexuality in religion is just pretty rampant.
39:30I think across the board really. >> Yeah. >> Just like Baptist, I mean, I grew up around all Baptist, you know, here in like in East Texas. >> Uh-huh. >> I knew plenty of kids in school that were yeah, get a queer as a three-dollar bill. And they weren't um yeah, they weren't out out and proud. Um some of them are now.
39:50>> It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the uh the complete absence of embracing gay people. >> Yeah, cuz you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know, I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, "Well, I embrace you, I don't embrace your lifestyle." >> But but also like, why not?
40:06Here's the thing. It's like it's the the the evidence in the Bible, it's all Old Testament stuff, right? >> Leviticus and >> you know, all that business. >> you got to look at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all, the open condoning of slavery. Not just open condoning of slavery, but rules [clears throat] of like who gets the slaves after people die, how you how you treat the slaves.
40:31It's like there's a bunch of morally abhorrent things that are in there. So, why is "A man shall not lie with another man?" Like, what >> Well, and there's also like I mean, it's you know, not planting crops together, not wearing, you know, >> Two different types of cloth. Two different types of cloth.
40:48Shellfish. >> Yeah. >> You don't see protests outside of Red Lobster. >> No, I mean, you should, but you don't. I mean, I just think it's very bizarre. >> It's bizarre and >> It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general. I mean, I'm not against people, yeah, I think whatever you want to have that makes you feel good.
41:06And as long as you're not being, you know, an to everybody, then >> Yes. >> I feel like people should be have their own thing, you know. I would like to bring back like Greek mythology, would be cool. I'd go to a temple >> Yeah. >> and worship Zeus and all all them people. Yeah. Like, I I enjoy that way more.
41:23I mean, I've read the Bible a couple times, and it's nice, but I'm not Like, I just don't, you know, buy into any of it. Not not just Christian, I'm not just trying to attack them, but like anybody, really. >> I think they're trying to tell a story. I think that it I think it all I think there's a lot of human influence, and there's a lot of stuff in it that people obviously wrote.
41:44Like, the stuff about slavery. >> Um >> Yeah. >> The the treating women like second-class citizens. There's there's a lot of stuff in that seems clearly the work of man. >> Mhm. >> But, I think the origin of it all is some kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. >> Yeah.
42:04>> And that they're trying and they you're getting these Like, you're getting a lot of the gospels were written long after Jesus was dead, and they didn't even know Jesus. They had never met him. And so, they're attributing words to him. They're saying So, there's that, and then there's also like and if you get into the Old Testament, like the the weird stuff, like the ages of people, like Moses was like or or or uh Noah.
42:27Noah was like 600 years old >> There's also Methuselah, who's like I think the oldest person in the Bible. I believe it's Methuselah. I mean, yeah, there's >> It's weird. >> Abraham Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe. >> Weird And then the flood story and how the flood story's in so many different ancient religious stories.
42:45>> Just the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's a damn flood. It's the oldest story there is. >> Yeah. >> So. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I just um you know, people like now want to have an answer to something. Like I'm terrified of death. That's the That's the thing I'm most terrified in the world. >> Really? >> Yeah. You're not afraid of dying?
Afterlife, Multiverse, and Philip K. Dick
43:03Oh, dying's terrifying. What if What if something bad happens? >> I mean, I don't want to die. >> to heck? >> Go to heck. >> What if you What if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible. >> Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in the South, sir. >> Yeah, well, yeah. >> Um it is uh I mean, it doesn't sound like fun.
43:22>> No. >> And it's going to suck that your family's going to miss you. That would bother me the most. >> But it's inevitable. Everyone's you know, everyone's afraid to die. No one's afraid to sleep. But you know, you shut up every every night. You shut off. >> Yeah, but I wake up. You wake But do you?
43:37>> Are you in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline? Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living? >> Yes. >> I don't know if that's true. >> Yeah, because the plan I made yesterday is happening right now. >> Right, but that's according to your memory. >> Oh, jeez. I'm not going by my memory.
43:51I I don't Yeah, I came here. >> When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up, you have a pre-existing selection of ideas and memories and all sorts of different things that you just assume you've always been on the same path. But it's not necessarily true. Like if you live in believe in the multi Well, there's no evidence.
44:13But if you believe in the multi There's also I mean, what evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist? You know, there's a lot of weirdness to the world, the quantum world. Quantum connections and the multi-worlds theory. If If you do like Philip K. Dick believed he had a very strange idea about reality.
44:31I think Philip K. Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation. And he believed this in the 1960s. And he had this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions, alter the past. I don't you know, I don't know what kind of drugs he was on when he was writing all that stuff. But >> Are you a you big Dick fan?
44:58>> Um not a huge Dick fan. >> [laughter] >> I'm a medium Dick fan. >> No, I mean sizable. >> Yeah, I mean I think he wrote some amazing stuff, but he was you know, one of those like very important odd thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture. >> Yes. >> Where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality, like >> Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
45:27>> Hunter Thompson. There's a lot of people like that that have just written wild things that just make you just rethink the world that we're living in. >> Yeah, I'm a big Hunter Thompson fan. Yeah, just all that. Yeah, like sci-fi has never really interested me as much as I know it interests a lot of people.
45:43I'm not a big Star Wars fan or Star Trek, but I do love you know, some things Blade Runner and stuff like that. I just only thinking about the future. >> You don't like thinking about it? >> the future. >> How come? >> I don't know. Because it hasn't happened. >> [laughter] >> So I don't know. I don't know what to expect.
45:59Like I [clears throat] would I don't like change at all. I hate change. >> Well, just personally? >> Yeah, oh yeah, any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing for breakfast, wear the same clothes every day. >> Really? >> Yeah, I'm a creature of comfort.
46:15>> Interesting. >> Like uh Like if I was a turtle in a terrarium, I'd be happy as could be. Like where's if somebody just stabbed me >> I'm a house cat. Oh, without a doubt. >> Edward Snowden calls himself a house cat. >> Oh man, yeah, me and Eddie are like >> Yeah. >> one and one in the same. >> I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia, I said, you know, what is it like?
46:35I like is do do you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat. I just need a computer and internet connection, I'm happy. >> Well, he's not missing anything going outside there, Jesus. Yeah. No thanks. >> Well, they might kidnap him and send him to the front lines. Like if you go out there, if you're of age.
46:51>> Would not like Yeah, no thank you. No, I'm just I'm a big indoor cat and I like I like my routine. Every day, same routine. Um yeah, I just don't like change. >> So, the thought of the future >> Oh, the future is too much change. No, and like flying cars, you know, like like I don't like it too many LED lights.
47:09Yeah, I don't like >> When the hot robot assistants get created, are you going to get one? >> Well, I'm not necessarily against that, but >> [laughter] >> I mean, jeez. You know, I could be swayed a little, but >> But that's ex machina. That's that's that's what it is. It's what we're That's what we're dealing with.
47:24>> like the past. I love the past more. >> Why is that? >> Uh I mean, one it's real. The as far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real cuz it hasn't happened. >> Right. It's just speculation, right? >> It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were and how we got to where we are now. So, like And also just like what people were doing 2,000 years ago, you think like how the hell did they come up with that 2,000 years ago or the people who you know, like a Marcus Aurelius or somebody who the way they
History, Stoicism, and Greek Mysteries
47:53thought like how it is the it's perfectly maps up to now where like that same sort of stoicism Yeah, I think uh can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking that 2,000 years ago. Like I just I think all that kind of stuff. And even like not that far back, but like the Victorian period I think's fascinating.
48:13I think like when you travel around the US knowing like well what what did this city or this place I'm standing at right now, what did it look like 150 years ago? Like what did it smell like? It probably didn't smell the way it smells. >> Yeah. >> And yeah. I don't know. I like thinking about stuff like that.
48:31>> Well, it's absolutely fascinating because I mean, just think about the timeline that the known timeline of human history. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever seen like the Colosseum or anything like >> No, never been out of the US. Don't need to do that. >> You don't need to? >> No. No, no, no. >> No need?
48:48>> just look at it in a book. >> [laughter] >> Or watch a documentary. >> Uh I agree to a certain extent Well, for No, I don't. So, I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries, but there's something about being there. Like I went to Greece a few years ago and uh I was with my friend Brian Muraresku.
49:06Do you know who he is? >> Uh-uh. >> He wrote a He's a scholar and he wrote a great book called The Immortality Key that is all about the Eleusinian Mysteries in uh in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelius participated >> Right, right, right. >> And when Marcus Aurelius uh participated in that, I'm most certain that that flavored some of his writings, particularly Meditations.
49:30Cuz there's a lot of the stuff in there that seems very psychedelically inspired. >> Mhm. >> Like the wisdom of this guy uh Okay, this guy is running Rome. You know, what is one of the most powerful armies the world has ever known, conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard.
49:50>> Right. >> It's very strange. It's very like his writings on forgiveness and and and and truth and and recognizing your thoughts and just he was and you're thinking about it like, "Oh my god, this is thousands of years ago this guy wrote this. This is insane." >> Yeah. >> And a lot of that I think probably came out of those Eleusinian Mysteries, but I went with Brian cuz I was there with my family and Brian happened to be in Greece at the same time and met us there and he gave us a
50:22tour of Eleusis. So you get to we were in the actual place where these people had these Eleusinian Mysteries and it feels weird. >> That's pretty cool. >> And you don't know if it feels weird because you've you're describing all these feelings because in your mind you're like, "Oh my god, I'm here." So you're in this heightened state of suggestibility or whatever.
50:42>> Well, I'm sure. >> Maybe so that's a big part of it. >> it. But it felt weird. >> Yeah. >> There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to the pyramids. That's one thing that [clears throat] I must do. That is like on my the top of my to-do list is I I really have to get there. Cuz I went to the Mayan pyramids.
50:59I went to Chichen Itza. >> Guatemala or >> Chichen Itza. >> Itza. Okay. Okay. Got you. Yeah. >> In the Yucatan. It's incredible. It's it's so bizarre. >> Yeah, so that would be I'd go there. That's about as far as I'd go, I think. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> It's getting sketchy now. >> Actually coming down to Austin is about pushing it for me.
Fighting, Violence, and UFC Commentary
51:19>> Really? >> Yeah. I'm only about a It's about 4-hour drive. >> Too much. >> Um yeah. >> Too crazy. >> Too many things happening along the way. >> change. >> Too much change. >> Well, Austin is drastically different from damn Longview, Texas. Um I mean some things are similar, but no, I like a slow-moving place, you know, I just like a like I'm a slow-moving animal in general.
51:40>> Yeah. >> Slow talking, slow everything. So. >> Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. Find your lane. Find what you're into. You know, for you it's reading a lot of and making cool videos. >> And real housewives >> And real housewives. >> [laughter] >> I can't watch those shows.
51:58>> Why? >> Because I just I I just don't want to be around those people. And so when I hear them yapping and trying to get all this attention, I'm like, I got to get out of the room. >> That's the best thing. >> It gives me >> You aren't in the room. [laughter] Like you just get to watch it from your room.
52:11Like >> I don't know, maybe I'm an empath. I get I get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives. >> Do you like watching confrontations like in public? The not your confrontation, but like other people. Like if somebody two people getting like a fender bender and they getting a like a little argument.
52:25Do you like watching that? >> Generally I don't. I mean, I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen. I'm a a very averse to, believe it or not, very averse to public violence. And I think >> Okay, I get that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm well, I'm not into violence.
52:42I don't want to see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos people have their heads bounce off concrete. Never want to see that ever in my life. I've seen it >> a lot. >> Yeah, but I would love watching two people just yell at each other. >> Yeah, I don't like that because it just leads to it generally leads to someone hitting somebody.
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54:05I think people engage in it freely as if there's no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long run of your life, but that move that moment of engaging could change your life forever. You could either get killed or kill someone or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean, I know people that have been beat up and it's completely changed their personality forever.
54:30>> I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like I mean, he's about maybe he's older than me, but yeah, his mom has to take care of him. He's in a wheelchair. Yeah, cuz he got in a fight. Got in a fight and head hit the curb and that's it. >> And there's so many people that that happens to and you never hear about them because they're still alive.
54:46They're still alive, you know, so the person doesn't get charged with murder, but meanwhile you have taken away that guy's life. >> Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. It's the equivalent, I think. I mean, technically it isn't, but >> It's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence cuz I've seen so much violence.
55:05I've probably seen more people get their ass kicked than probably there's probably very few people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass kicked than me. >> Oh, I think that's yeah, without question. >> Yeah. >> Like who who else could it be? I mean >> I've seen I mean, I've just been there alive for thousands of fights.
55:28I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV. >> Are there any people who have called more fights? >> Maybe. >> Like in other like I don't even mean here, like in Japan or like >> Like is that's the only thing I could think of, yeah. >> It's not likely. I've been doing it since 1997. So, that's when I first started working for the UFC.
55:48It was in 1997. >> I was 4 years old. >> Yeah. So, that was my first So, that was the first time I started working for the UFC and then continually since 2001. So, 25 years of calling fights and at one point time I was doing like 20 plus events a year. So, I was on the road like every other week >> Yeah.
56:14>> doing UFC fights. So, I don't think there's very many people that And then on top of that, all the fights that I watch not live. So, a big part of what I do, you know, like I take the commentary job very seriously. And even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of of combat sports. I don't I mean, you think it's like cuz I like violence.
56:36What I really like is high-level problem-solving. And that's what it is. It's like very intense, very I call it high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. Like it's just like an insane game that these guys are playing. And there's incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself into shape, intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style and game plan to be successful as a fighter.
57:06And so, I watch a lot of fights. I watch a lot of like jiu-jitsu matches. I watch a lot of kickboxing fights. I watch I watch a lot of fights. So, it's just in terms of like how many people have watched more people get their ass kicked, >> Mhm. >> probably I'm at the top 1% of people that have ever lived.
57:23>> Yeah. I got a number for you. >> What's the number? >> As of 2024, it was 3250. >> 3250 what? >> Fights. >> That I've called? >> Yeah. >> That's just enough called. So, 3,250 fights that I've called just professionally. And then watching it, I probably watched that again at least >> At Yeah. >> At least.
57:48So, it's probably I probably watched >> Yeah, easily. Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two, three in a day every day. I watch them in the gym all the time. I'm I'm I'm always watching. >> Yeah. So, it could be up to 10 10,000. >> Yeah. So, I don't like violence, believe it or not. >> No, that I mean [laughter] Well, I can understand that though cuz like you know, it's not that you're wanting loving seeing a guy get the beat out of him.
58:15It's loving seeing how does this guy handle the situation? How's this guy you know, change his outcome? Like it's looking like it's going to go one way, what's he going to do to reverse it? Am I like kind of >> I love watching people achieve greatness. >> Yes. >> And I think greatness with the the the the highest level of physical consequences in terms of like safe Obviously, war is number one.
Gymnastics, Tony Hawk, and Giants
58:35>> Right. >> You can get past And then there's, you know, first responders, police officers, SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that, in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a very specific contest, I just find that to be the the most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports.
58:54>> Yeah. >> And so, that's my perspective on it. But I don't like people getting violent on the street. It bothers the out of me. I hate it. >> Yeah, well, the risk reward too is different. I mean, the risk in the in an octagon or in a ring is drastically different when you have a medical team. I mean, not that things can't happen, but Yeah.
59:12Versus a parking lot. >> 100%. >> And then what's to stop some other guy to come up and just boot this person right in the face? >> see it all the time. >> Right. You don't see that in the UFC. I mean, so you're seeing controlled chaos in a sense or it's not even really chaos, but like you're seeing a controlled like we're both agreeing to do this.
59:30We're both at the right weight, like blah blah blah. Like it's it's different. Like whenever I watch, you know, whenever I watch a fight, like I I don't think of it in nearly the same way cuz I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch people get in fights in real life. Like like real I don't feel like that watching UFC.
59:47I feel like I'm watching two athletes competing. >> They hug each other after the fight. >> I feel the same way whenever I watch a football [snorts] game cuz I'm a big football fan. Like that's my, you know, number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed. I hate it. Hate There you go. [laughter] Yeah, like I'm a >> Yeah, I hate it, too.
1:00:05>> Yeah, I don't want to see somebody get helmet to helmet. This person can't even walk. Like, you know, doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a big hit at the right time where, you know, you're making this amazing defensive play cuz you are two athletes who have agreed, you know, to >> Yeah.
1:00:20>> And you're at the height of your, you know, >> [snorts] >> I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that There's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross. He does an iron cross inverted. >> The hell's an iron cross?
1:00:37>> An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics where they're on the rings >> Oh. >> and they hold their body up like that with their arms out. Like it takes like insane strength. >> Yeah, Vince Vaughn in Old School when he's smoking the cigarette doing it. >> Oh, really? >> You never seen Old School?
1:00:48With the Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell >> Does he do that? >> Yeah, I think. You know what I'm talking about? >> All right. It's fake. >> Well, [snorts] no, I'm not saying he's really doing it, but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally doing a handstand and he stretches out Watch this Watch this cat.
1:01:11>> This is crazy. >> god. >> The amount of strength that it takes to do that is preposterous. He's the first guy to ever do it. >> If I started today, >> [laughter] >> how how long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that? >> It would take you 50 or 60 years. >> Oh, I got time then. >> Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight.
1:01:33You'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot of things that would have to happen to change your physique. You'd have to You'd have to Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to change your You got to get coaches. You got to go to Russia. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> That would be That's actually the hard biggest problem.
1:01:46The weight loss and the steroids I can start right now. >> I don't know if this cat figured it out on his own, if it was something he was thinking, can this be done? But, I'm I'm fascinated by people that are like the first person to figure out that a move can be done. >> Yeah. Or just the the people who can do anything for the first time.
1:02:03Like what's his name? Bannister? Roger Bannister that ran the mile for the first time in 4 minutes. It had never been done all this time. But, then what's crazy is that like the next year there was like six people that ran it. >> Yeah. >> So, it's weird how like like I wonder how many people are going to to be doing this a week from now.
1:02:20>> Right. >> Like probably a couple at least. Cuz for some reason knowing that something's achievable then makes it infinitely easier. >> Yes. >> Like weird weirdly. Or like X Games. I grew up watching the X Games a lot. And you would see a move be done. Like a 900. You know, Tony Hawk did the 900. Now there's like 6-year-olds doing 900s.
1:02:38>> Oh, there we go. It's a 9-year-old that >> Yeah, but still, yeah. >> I mean when I was like a when I was >> Look at that kid doing back to back. >> Bro, imagine >> That's your kid doing that. You'd be like, "Don't get hurt, Billy." >> Dude, when I was like a little When did Tony Hawk do the 900? Was it '99, I think?
1:02:54'99 X Games? I remember watching and and it was like it was like you saw Jesus walk on water. >> Right. >> Three back to back. >> And now there's a 9-year-old Japanese. >> 9-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back 900s. Wow. That's crazy. First this first 900 at age 7. >> I I isn't But isn't that wild?
1:03:15Like this not even 1999, it's not that long ago. I mean, it is a while, but >> Not that long ago in human history. >> level of change in that amount of years, where it's it's like an easy thing. >> That is crazy. That that literally is crazy. Boy, that is a rough sport. Those guys get some concussions.
1:03:37>> Yeah, Tony Hawk. Did you watch his documentary? >> No. >> Oh, you should really watch that. The um Until the wheels fall off, I think is what it was called. It is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing. >> I had him on the podcast back in the day. He's great. Really interesting guy. >> It starts with him trying to land a 900 now, like, you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older.
1:03:56And the just the amount of just the he's eating constantly. He just can't get it cuz he's, you know, older and it's harder to do it. But you still see like, and he's not doing it for anybody. He's not in a competition. He's like, in his personal, you know, half-pipe. >> Right. >> And just but you see it in his eyes, like like, those skate like, skaters have no quit in them.
1:04:19>> Right. >> And um >> Well, you can't. >> Yeah, but there's something amazing about that. Like, I'm a big quitter. >> [laughter] >> I love quitting. I don't know if I love anything more than I love quitting. Like >> It's great. Like, when something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could just stop. And do something better.
1:04:40>> That's funny. >> But those guys don't have that. You and I would be like a funny odd couple show. >> Oh, yeah. What was it? Oscar and >> [laughter] >> whatever it was? >> Felix Unger. >> Felix Unger, yeah, yeah. Oh, we we probably are the most opposite people. I might be the most opposite person you you may have ever had on here.
1:04:56>> Uh in many ways, but in a lot [clears throat] of ways we we're similar. We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, it's why I'm a giant fan of your page. >> Thank you. Yeah, there's a Venn diagram, you know. But but ours is like, you know, barely touching.
1:05:11Like, there's Yeah. >> But, I'm always interested in like what turns people down certain paths. Like, what makes them go one way or another. Yeah. You know? I mean, I think anyone could go down any path. It It It could have happened. I think it happens often times very young, and then you start building momentum in towards very specific areas.
1:05:32>> That's a big thing I have with [snorts] uh like anything pop culture, so like movies, music, and like a remembering dates, and like, you know, when did this movie come out? When did this album come out? Is cuz like my dad would um you know, like tr- trivia, like give me tests like to to like try to impress my uncles.
1:05:47Like, he was like, "Cody, when who sings blah blah blah?" at like 5 years old, and I would just name them. But, it was But, I would like I loved the um the rush from like knowing something that it impressed people. Cuz otherwise, I mean, I wouldn't impress them people, you know, in any other way. [laughter] So, it was like, "I got to do something."
1:06:03Cuz my brother was like amazingly good at baseball. I don't have that. So, it was like, "Well, what's my thing?" And >> Facts. >> Facts. Yeah, knowing random stuff. And I like the feeling of like when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew. And you kind of see them like get like They're like, "Oh my god, I never knew that."
1:06:20And I like that feeling. >> A very impressive quality. Like, I love talking to people and like they can tell me things that I had no idea of. Like, "What?" >> Yeah. >> Really? Like, Brian Simpson's great at that. Brian Simpson is a a warehouse of interesting information. Like, he He and I like anytime we find something like really fascinating online, we send it to each other.
1:06:39And he's just doing that all day long. >> Yeah. See, that's my kind of thing. Like, I just I want to know everything. So, one of the reasons why I want I don't want to ever die. Like, it's one of the things I'm scared about death is that like, "Yeah, but what about all the stuff I'm not going to know?"
1:06:52Which I know it's foolish. Like, there's no way I could ever learn 1% of everything. But, >> If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely, >> sign me up. >> be in? >> Yes. I don't know why when say like oh, if I make it to 90, kill me. You're a [laughter] Like What are you talking about?
1:07:14I want to live for Yes, the What's that movie with Johnny Depp? Transcendence, I believe, where they put him in the thing and it goes very wrong. I don't care. Um I ignore all those things. I would go to Jurassic Park even knowing what happened to all those people. All those innocent people. >> Well, they're probably going to do that eventually.
1:07:31Right now, they don't have dinosaur DNA, but I don't think that's going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur. I think what they're going to be able to do is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by giving each new iteration very specific traits. Like that's kind of what they're doing at Colossal Bio Works.
Dire Wolves and Denisovans
1:07:50>> Yeah. >> Where they're bringing back the the thylacine and they're they're bringing I mean, they brought already brought back the dire wolf. >> Yeah, oh right. Okay, so that's who did the dire wolf. Oh, right, right, right. >> I went to that. I went to the place where they have them. I saw the dire wolf.
1:08:04My daughter was playing with a four-year-old I guess four-month-old, six-month-old. I think it was like four-month-old puppy, dire wolf puppy, and it's like a puppy. Like it gives you kisses, it sits in your lap, it's wagging its tail, cuddles with you, but they get to a certain age where you can't do that with them anymore.
1:08:20>> For sure. You weren't worried it was going to like disintegrate or like you know, turn into something like the thing. I don't >> [laughter] >> It'll open up a mouth. Like had its tongue out. >> arm off. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh no, cuz I I spoke with them before and explained what they're doing and it's mostly they're taking these genes from this like they got samples from like a 7,000-year-old corpse of a dire wolf.
1:08:47They sequenced the genome and they started altering gray wolf genes and yeah. Next thing you know, they have this thing that is People say it's not a dire wolf. It's not technically a dire wolf, but that's by how our definition. Like, what is a direwolf other than a collection of genes that has the traits of a direwolf?
1:09:08Well, I don't know. You could you can decide all you want what it is, but what it is is very different than any other wolf that's ever lived while you know, since direwolves have died. >> So, why isn't it a dire Why do they think it isn't one then? >> It's their They're splitting hairs. Um I had the head geneticist from uh What was her name?
1:09:27Beth Shapiro? Was that her name? From Colossal Biosciences. Fascinating woman. Like brilliant. And she was ex- Beth Shapiro. >> Okay. >> Um and she was explaining um how they do it and what the what the what the argument is that it's not a direwolf. And I'm I'm a I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided like what like all these different animals, whether it's uh chimpanzees, >> Mhm.
1:09:58>> cockatoos, whatever. We've decided that this is what it is. But, what it really is is just a collection of genes, right? That give very specific traits, and those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal that has all of the characteristics of a direwolf. And they look very different.
1:10:16They're all white, and they have a mane. Which is really weird. They have like this thick, almost like a lion's mane >> Yeah. >> around kind of like my golden retriever does. >> Uh-huh. >> Marshall >> [laughter] >> has a bit of a mane. >> Yeah. >> very elegant when he runs. It flows in the >> Yeah. >> But, they they look different.
1:10:33They have They're stouter. They're They're a thicker, stronger wolf. >> Okay. >> Really wild. It's interesting like >> at what point does something become a new species then? Like like what's the difference between a mutation? So, like this one dog has, you know, or whatever this one bird has a red beak, but normally they're yellow.
1:10:52And versus oh, well, all the ones with red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that. Like >> It's a good question. >> Yeah. Well, it's it's humans decide, you know, which is where I I mean, we have a very specific um way of categorizing different species and and it's like these biologists make these decisions and these distinctions, but ultimately nature doesn't give a what you say.
1:11:17>> Yeah. >> You know, it it has many of these different weird variables and it's up to people to try to figure out like, okay, well, does this is this logical that this is a new species or is this a Look at humans. Like look at the differences in humans. Like look at like um Shaquille O'Neal and uh you know, Caitlyn Jenner.
1:11:40Like they're that's the same species, right? Look at very weird. Like humans are strange. You know, you have Bobby Lee and then you have uh Hulk Hogan. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's like they're very different, but we're all the same thing. Like if we were something else in the wild, we would assume that these are multiple different species.
1:12:01>> Yes. Yeah, it's like the you know, kind of the Neanderthal versus uh Homo sapien, like >> Look at that guy. Like can you see the person? >> Yeah, the little tiny lady. Well, I guess she didn't >> World's tallest person and then world's shortest woman. Like that's crazy. >> Which would you rather be?
1:12:18>> I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain. >> He doesn't look He's got a cane. >> Yeah, when generally when they're that big, they have a a tumor on their pituitary gland. >> Yeah. Was it hyper mega giant? >> Jeez. >> Yeah. >> He's 2'1". >> He's probably in agony all the time. Um and I don't even know if that's if you could mitigate that with like weight training or something, if you could get strong enough so that you can carry that amount of weight and frame.
1:12:45>> No. >> Cuz you're dealing with I I don't think human joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass and just that height and >> Yeah. and also if you have a a tumor in your pituitary gland things are probably growing the wrong way cuz what it's essentially is like secreting abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly.
1:13:07>> Which is why they get like the yeah, the protruding like Andre the Giant like >> Yeah, you get your like a long Easter Island head. There was a guy that used to fight in MMA named Bigfoot Silva. >> Uh-huh. >> And he had that and he actually had the uh tumor removed from his pituitary gland and it radically changed his fighting ability.
1:13:27>> Oh, that's in in a better way or a worse way? >> Much worse. His body wasn't producing the his endocrine system wasn't functioning properly anymore. >> Oh. >> Yeah, cuz you're not going to shrink. >> Right. So his his hormone levels were all like hugely depleted and this is at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for mixed martial arts athletes.
1:13:46So he couldn't be on it anymore, but when he was on it oh my god. >> Yeah. >> When he was on the sauce and he was like 300 lb and huge he was killing people. >> Yeah, that would suck. >> Yeah, he was like one of the first guys to beat up Fedor Emelianenko. >> Yeah. >> Who's one of the greatest of all time.
1:14:04But it was just he was so big. He was like 300 plus pounds and a black belt in jujitsu and a like legitimate giant. >> God. Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know I'm talking about the guy that was 8 ft 11. >> He didn't have that? >> No, he didn't know. >> Was he just abnormally tall? >> 11. >> What does uh he look like?
1:14:21>> Oh, you should see a picture of >> a cane or anything like that or did he walk normally? >> He died pretty young, but not even related to the to just being as that tall. He died from I think he might have had a cane later at some point. Yeah, okay. But he I believe unless I'm mistaken he died because his shoes had to be specially made and the nails in the soles uh gave him an infection and he died from the infection.
1:14:45I think. >> That's crazy. >> him next to that. I mean, isn't that wild? >> Yeah. >> But I mean, it's like, well, how did that exist in what, 1920 to 1930, and we've never had anyone like that now? >> Right. And he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease. He looks like a normal guy. He was just enormous.
1:15:04>> I mean, so like, yeah, he at birth, 8 lb 5 oz. Isn't that wild? >> His great size and continued growth in adulthood due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So, he did have a pituitary gland. >> he didn't have one, and that's why he was so >> Yeah. So, it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal.
1:15:21>> wonder why that happens, then. >> Oh, at the time, corrective surgery was dangerous and not guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening. >> But But when he graduated, he was 8 ft 4. >> That's crazy. >> His burial is wild. Um Like how Oh, he had to have leg braces and crutches. Yeah.
1:15:41>> He had little feeling in his legs and feet, but he never used a wheelchair. Yeah. >> There's something about his um >> Look at his shoes. Holy Size 37 shoes. >> Ooh, boy, that'd be rough. >> What do you think >> Imagine the you know. >> the historical depictions of giants. Huh? Historical depictions of giants.
1:16:03>> Like in >> Like giants in the Bible, giants in the There's There's Native American stories of giants, and they They have a lot of similarities, oddly. >> A lot of them are people >> Red hair. No, red hair, six fingers, six toes. Weird stuff. >> Yeah, wasn't that wasn't that um who the one guy beat with the damn sling?
1:16:27>> David and Goliath? >> Well, didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the Bible somewhere? I don't know. I remember that from Sunday school, I think. I was pretty fascinated >> remember, but I bet you're right. >> pretty infatuated about the six fingers aspect of it. >> Well, what's interesting is on the >> The Americans had very similar stories of large red-haired pale-skinned giants with six fingers and six toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever.
1:16:50It was a completely different >> Mhm. >> whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking about a real thing. That's where it gets weird. >> I feel like it can be a real thing. >> Why's that? >> Uh, cuz they I mean they're not around now. >> Well, that doesn't mean anything because Denisovans are not around now either and we know those were a real thing.
1:17:11>> Yeah, but were the giants Oh, okay. Were the giants a separate thing from the humans or were they just like humans that >> Probably a different branch of the human species. That's what I think. There's just too many There's too many stories >> or for whatever reason didn't make it. >> Died off like a lot of other like 90% of all species that have ever lived are gone.
1:17:30>> Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> And there's been a a ton of different versions of human beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is really weird. I don't know if you have >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So, they're they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans than Homo sapiens.
1:17:44Like a lot larger. Like much bigger head, bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity, larger jaw, larger eye sockets, larger eyeballs, like really weird stuff. >> So, why'd they die out then? They should have been the ones killing us. >> Well, we might have been the most clever because we're the softest.
1:18:02You know, we're the weakest, so we were probably the most vicious and we probably figured out tools better than they did and we probably slaughtered them because they were dangerous. >> That makes sense. Well, >> I mean, look, we figured out how to survive around lions, tigers, and bears, oh my. >> [laughter] >> We're we're clever.
1:18:21>> Wasps, yeah, all kinds of stuff. >> It's entirely possible that we wiped them out. You know, like that might be a part of the allegory. That may be be a part of like when you read the story of David and Goliath, like what happens? Well, David kills the giant. You know, that might have been what we did.
1:18:34We probably hunted them. >> Yeah, what you get. >> Yeah, and it probably also they probably required an insane amount of resources. It was probably incredibly difficult. >> Yeah, to feed them. It's like the main reason they went out wasn't because of like, you know, the asteroid didn't just kill them all.
1:18:49Like it mostly died from a lack of resources. And then obviously like the oxygen levels changing and all that business, but >> Yeah, well a lot of things happened, right? But that's what chickens are. Chickens are basically living dinosaurs. >> Right, but they're tiny. >> You ever see a chicken go after a mouse?
1:19:05>> No, I've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go after worms or other little bugs. It's very dinosaur-like, very velociraptor-like. >> But the way they go after a mouse is insane. It's like the the ferocity in which they attack a mouse. Like there's a video we played it a million times, but there's a cat and the cat has a mouse and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse and a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat and just rips it apart like a monster.
1:19:27Just just shaking it, pecking it, tearing it apart. >> Yeah. >> Um Um my uh Yeah, watch this. Look at this chicken this this mouse up. >> That's the way they already act anyway. >> I mean they they try to steal it from each other. They all know what it is. They want that mouse. >> So >> And you think of chickens as being these little cute little things that peck around the grass.
1:19:52No, if they catch a mouse, they will that mouse up. >> Yeah, cuz I mean they'll do it to other chickens. Like my grandparents had chickens and they yeah, they'd kill each other sometimes. >> Yeah. That's what the pecking order is. Yeah, they literally peck at each other and tear each other apart. They're ruthless little >> I mean actually really all animals kind of do that to an extent.
1:20:11Like kill their young and >> I know. >> Well, humans do too. Lindsay claims she but um allegedly I guess, but uh >> Allegedly [laughter] she >> She said she did it. She may have been under the you know, she may still been psychotic when she admitted it. >> [laughter] >> That's that was so bizarre to me.
True Crime and Dunning-Kruger
1:20:29>> She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she did it? >> No, that's what some people think. Some people think that she made I mean, there's the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did. Have you know, come to just a million different >> Yeah, that one is that was not on my bingo card.
1:20:44I didn't think you're going to see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during the trial in support of her having strangled her children with an exercise cord one at a time. >> Yeah. >> I did not understand that. >> I I still really don't. I mean, well, there is a just a huge number of people who have just gotten so invested in true crime like true crime YouTube channels and that's all they watch all day every day.
1:21:14And so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives. Um but they suck at it. It's like you know, I've like [laughter] like I've watched so much football that I do watch it and I basically think I know more than an NFL head coach. Uh meanwhile, yeah, I don't know anything. >> Right.
1:21:31>> Why would you call that play, you idiot? I would have >> [laughter] >> done that. Um I'm just sitting there, you know, eating pretzels. >> Um but there's like all these uh women who've done the same thing but with true crime and they, you know, they think they're goddamn Clarice Starling. And um yeah, so but you know, so they think there's like there's a cover-up, a conspiracy that oh, the police department must be covering up things cuz the husband definitely did it like you know, they just go down these rabbit
1:21:56holes of Tik Tok. >> Is it Dunning-Kruger effect in real time? >> Yes. Yes, it is exactly what it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's fascinating to see but it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening. >> Right. Well, it's it's bizarre. I never thought we would see it. Like during the Casey Anthony trial, nobody was in support of Casey Anthony.
1:22:16>> Hell no. No, she could have been proven well, she kind of was but like full-on innocence hurdle, you know, nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that a >> Right, which by the way, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, cuz you don't even going to believe this is real. But, uh Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis poor joke.
1:22:37Casey Anthony >> Well, why not? >> Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on Substack about the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing like on SNL. Casey Anthony, the lady who killed her kid. >> I know, it's just it makes you so angry, you just want to strangle your loved one. >> I mean, good lord, what a >> Well, not only that, I mean, this lady was if you wanted to use that term, was strangled her kid so she could go out and party.
Gender Debates and SNL Joke
1:23:06>> Yeah. >> Yeah, women can dress however they want. Women in the gym can dress however they want. Men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go themselves. This toxic masculinity trend needs to end. These fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality. >> [laughter] >> This lady killed her kid.
1:23:29>> Yeah. Yeah. >> And she feels like she can take the moral high ground and chime in about a joke on Saturday Night Live. >> So wow. >> Which is really the joke is on Shane, cuz the joke is that he looks like a creep in the background of all these TikToks watching these ladies that are wearing nothing doing these exercises.
1:23:49>> Well, he also didn't call them He just said they dress like it. >> Yes. >> Completely different thing. I mean, you know. You can dress like anything, you know, like my nephew was dressed like Batman like last year. And he's [laughter] not Yeah, he's not stopping crime. >> I don't know. I just uh I mean, I get I guess a little bit of it, but like I think people weren't understanding like the nuance or like, you know, really like thinking about all the way he's thinking.
1:24:14He's just come out there saying, "Oh, y'all are all for dressing like this." Like >> No, no, no, no. That's not what he's saying. >> and also you can you can dress however you want. Who cares? You're an adult. But also, when you do go to a gym, just I mean, Jesus. >> I know. >> Like it is kind of hard not to be like, "God, what the hell are you doing?"
1:24:31>> It's kind of crazy. I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that wear essentially sheer pink uh really small shorts with no underwear on and they're doing deadlifts. And when they're bending over, they're sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into the air. >> Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did.
1:24:53>> [laughter] >> I think you I said you're about 6 weeks from what I can see. >> I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun. God bless you. If you have a great body, especially, show it off to the world. Who cares? >> And don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing cuz that's what guys do, you know?
1:25:08There's no reason to wear a sleeveless shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym. You're wearing a sleeveless shirt cuz you want people to see your arms. >> guns. >> Show the guns. There's nothing wrong with that. And then women want to wear like skin-tight stuff to you know, show off. Who cares? >> Who cares?
1:25:21I don't care. But it's like I guess the word is what gets them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I get it. I get you get upset. Well, it's also because like real misogyny actually exists. Like real women who hate or real men, rather, who hate women do exist. And so when you see a guy joking around about a woman dressing like a you connect it to horrible thoughts, like horrible actions, like real actual evil men that actually Cuz like there's a lot of men that genuinely hate women.
1:25:54Shane Gillis is not one of them. >> Right. >> And he's a great guy. It's just a joke. But but for some people, those words And then you see like the word police people, which is hilarious. We need to stop using that word. We're still using the word Like you're not? The word's great. >> It's a great word.
1:26:11>> It's a great word. >> Yeah. >> It's a great word for also yourself. Like like I I freely admit that when I did like um especially the second iteration of Fear Factor is because I was being a They offered me a load of money to come back in like 2011 and host Fear Factor again and I'm like I'm a let's go.
1:26:30>> Why [laughter] not? Oh, I would hold myself out for all sorts of far less. >> Yeah, it's not I don't think it's a bad word. I just think it has to be used wisely and you know, like it's one of the good things and bad things about the internet is that everyone has an opinion. It's good. It's good. You get to see it all play out.
Bots, Holocaust Denial, and Henry Ford
1:26:50See the see the chaos and hopefully the dust will settle and there's be some clarity in what's real and what's not real. But because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live in online, there won't be any clarity, you know, because everything is connected to an algorithm and you're you're only interacting with people that agree with you and it's like >> Yeah.
1:27:09>> Okay. >> And yeah, and you don't know what's actually real or what's not real and >> Well, that's a real problem. >> Well, and just forming your opinions on like I don't know, people are just so opinionated to the point where like it's their identity. Like their their take on a certain topic that is who I am.
1:27:23And every conversation I have, that's going to come up. And I hate those people. >> I do as well. >> so much. >> And by the way, that's a new thing. >> Yeah. >> I'm older than you and when I was a kid, that didn't exist. There I mean, there were some people that were ideologically they were ideologically connected to whatever their political party was, but not to the extent that people are today where flavored every single opinion they have about every aspect of society from paper straws to electric cars to
1:27:58vaccines and health care and everything. Everything is connected politically. >> And if you don't say something about it, then you must be on the opposite side. >> Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. >> Silence is violence. >> Yeah, like you're silent like cuz if I'm silent on something that automatically means like I could be silent about it but still be on your side.
1:28:17But no, like they believe that I'm silent and >> people getting mad at people that didn't put a black square on their Instagram. >> Well, yeah, because they didn't stop the violence. They could have stopped it by doing >> black square? >> Yeah, the black square would have just ended all violence. >> whole country just put up a black square, it would have been over.
1:28:40>> We could have moved into a new timeline. >> Yeah. Could have, but um yeah, I know. It It's just that virtue signaling. >> It is and it's also this sort of evolution of human thinking that's happening in real time, you know, with this So, you've got this thing, the internet, that gives you immense resources and access to information, but then you also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real.
1:29:05These are bots. Like you There's so many bots. I I read an article There was an article in the New York Times about Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend. You know, so there's the one that he offered Ashley St. Clair. He offered her allegedly 40 million It's She's his baby mama, right? So, she She has one of his babies.
1:29:28And she offered him or he offered her rather allegedly 40 million dollars to be quiet and she said no and she's blabbed it to the world. So, she was at one point in time a right-wing influencer and now she is a part of the Democratic Socialists of America. She's joined the DSA, which is fascinating. >> Quite the swing.
1:29:50>> Quite a swing. >> [laughter] >> Always interesting to see people do a complete 180 and it's Um but so there's this article that's written in the New York Times and they post about it on Instagram and I go into the comments. I go, "Okay, I need to see cuz I've saying this is ripe for bots. Like this is going to be a a bot farm.
1:30:09Like 100% and it's all it was. It was crazy. It was a lot of them are literally saying the same thing. Like he could have just given her a billion. You know, he's got a trillion dollars. He could just give her a billion and she would have stayed quiet. And you you click on their page and there's no posts and there's there's it's locked down.
1:30:27It's a private page. There you know, it's a a name and a bunch of numbers. Like this is wild. This is like a fake outrage account. And there's a a thousand of them that are posting on this. It's all the same thing. >> I've had it happen on one of my one of my videos. I had to take it down cuz I was so like I was like, "What is happening right now?"
1:30:46It was like one about Henry Ford that I did about him being just a massive and about like his Nazi connections. >> Interesting. >> And it turned into a full the Holocaust didn't happen. Like it turned into that with thousands I mean, I've never like at that time had had anywhere near that kind of attraction.
1:31:03I looked and I was I was like, "God damn, that one's getting a lot Why is that getting so many views?" And we started reading them. It was like, "The number's actually this. It's not 6 million or like you know, and it's just go it's just constant." And some of them were real or at least seemed real cuz I was like, "Is this a real person saying this shit?"
1:31:18Like >> Well, there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots. Especially today with AI, they they generate One of the things you can tell is like how recent they the page started. I like to go back to the first post. And a lot of their first post is like 6 weeks ago or a month ago. And then you you see that there's no inter- interaction at all.
1:31:38No one's posting. No one's commenting. They have these posts. It's like them with their kid on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard. Like and it it might be AI generated or it might be they have taken it from somewhere else, but they can create >> yeah. >> They can create a page that seems like a real person.
1:31:57Right. And they say a bunch of things that seem like what a real person would say, like really simple captions for each picture. So, there's like levels of sophistication. And then eventually it's going to be ex machina type, you know, levels of sophistication where you're not going to be able to discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not.
1:32:17>> No, and you can have the whole world believe something just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots. >> Yes. >> Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive. That's what's crazy. You can start a bot campaign fairly cheaply. And and have a bunch of people think, "Oh my god, people are really mad at Cody Tucker."
1:32:33>> Yeah, yeah. >> Like you could really have people's and you could shift a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention. You could shift their perception on you. >> Yeah. >> And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to do that with Elon. >> Yeah. >> But this thing with Do you think that it was Ford Motor Company that would do this?
1:32:50>> No, no, no, no. There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial that's happened within just like the last couple years. >> Right. >> Or like any post that has to do I mean a lot of it obviously obviously has to do with like the Israel-Palestine conflict and like Zionism and all this stuff. And there's a lot of people who just like watch like this one documentary that like disproves the Holocaust.
1:33:12And it's all that documentary is all a bunch of like >> Which documentary is that? >> I It's called like Europa, I think. It's like It's all hogwash. None of it's real. It's just this guy who's, you know, like was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become like the I don't know cuz it's not even necessarily like a right-wing versus left-wing thing, you know, where like, "Oh, all the right-wing people are all Holocaust deniers or, you know, vice versa."
1:33:39It's like all It's like groups from everybody. But it's all like for the most part younger people, like my age or younger. Um but yeah, just don't think it happened. >> You know what's also interesting, too, is that it's such a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust.
1:33:59>> Right. >> Like you don't get like a legitimate scholar on World War II who wants to sit down and have a conversation with someone who's a Holocaust denier. >> Right. >> It's like you don't platform those people. You don't And so because of that, like there's a lot of people go, "Oh, they're hiding the truth."
1:34:13>> Right. Right. Yeah, who do you think wrote the textbooks? It was the Yeah, and it's like, "Well, but yeah, they didn't, but okay." And >> What is their argument? Their argument is that is the >> less number? Is the number lower? >> up every single time is 200 And that's why I started realizing it might be bots is cuz every one of them will say 271,000.
1:34:34Like every post or 217,000 is one, too. So they think that's the number. >> How do they come to that? >> I don't Apparently that's what in the documentary, that's what the guy conclude or comes to by like crunching the numbers on like the amount of Jews in the area or something. I It's I don't know. It's It's but it's absolutely absurd.
1:34:55>> So do you think that it's a foreign country that is >> [snorts] >> doing this bot attack? Like What do you think it's like if you were anti-Israel? Like if you were against Israel's policies and you were a foreign country, if you're whatever, fill in the blank. Palestine, Pakistan, what what whatever it is.
1:35:11>> Yeah, anything. >> You get some Muslim [clears throat] country that wants to fund some sort of anti-Israel thing and then you would go after the the core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern society >> Yes. >> is because they were almost exterminated in Germany. >> It's I mean basically the reason Israel exists is cuz, you know, after cuz of the Holocaust.
1:35:35>> Yeah, so that would be the way to do it. I mean, and I just think there's a lot of people uh who yeah, just believe it cuz they read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah blah blah and they just outright believe it. I think bots should be illegal. I I really do. 100%. I don't care cuz I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me on [snorts] social media.
1:35:56>> Oh, I know there are a lot of bots on social media. >> the number is, but I'm sure I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let my number I don't care if my number would drop or I don't care like if my money goes down. Get rid of it. Get rid of bots. Like you should I've always felt that you should have to have an ID to be able to prove who you are to be able to create an account on any social media platform.
1:36:16>> I agree. >> Like you know, I think there's like dating apps [clears throat] that do it where you have to take a picture of your ID and then you go through like a vetting process. Uh is that should be the same with Instagram, Facebook. >> The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that there is a there's a legit argument that especially if you're like an Edward Snowden or you know, Chelsea Manning type person who has access to information that is highly classified, but you don't want to reveal
1:36:44your identity, but people need to know. Like there's a crime being committed on the American people or the people of the world or whatever. >> Yeah. >> You know, the whistleblower thing protections for whistleblowers was a key part of the uh Obama campaign when he was running for office was protection for whistleblowers.
Whistleblowers and Social Media Identity
1:37:00Meanwhile, he was like one of the worst people for whistleblowers [laughter] ever. That was president which is kind of funny. >> Yeah. >> But that's they also even removed that part from the hope and change website. So the hope and change website had this whole thing about whistleblowers and then they just deleted that.
1:37:17>> Yeah, yeah. [laughter] >> Cat out of the bag cat came out of the bag on that >> that one. Good lord. >> But so that's the argument against having to show identification is that it's probably important that some people be able to post anonymous because there's like very powerful people that would try to take them out.
1:37:33>> Right. No, no, I do believe in like anonymity for like whistleblowers. It's just >> But like how do you do that and then also have an ID to post? >> No, you can't. But I mean, you just whistleblower the old-fashioned way and just write it to a newspaper that only about 40 people are going to read now cuz nobody reads newspapers.
1:37:52>> Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that because depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper subscribes to that ideology. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I mean, which that's kind of always been a problem, too.
1:38:08But if you went back to like, you know, the All the President's Men, you know, Nixon Watergate stuff, like at least, you know, they were able to do that. >> Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let like Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi, and all these journalists review the emails that were with the executives at Twitter were in in contact with the intelligence agencies.
1:38:36>> Okay. >> intelligence agencies were actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They were posting factual information. But that was inconvenient towards the the COVID policies of the Biden administration. So, they were they were actively censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like legit people.
1:38:56>> Mhm. >> And they were like, uh-uh, ban them, take them off. >> in with Yeah, whatever. >> Scary. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's I don't know if there's really any real right way of going about any I mean, we may be doing it the best the most right way that it could be done, which that's terrifying if that's true.
1:39:13>> I don't >> Um >> Well, I think there has to be a way to tell if something is a bot and you should have some sort of filters on your in your system at least to mitigate the bots. To get to a point where you you can't just have a letter and a you know, a name and a bunch of numbers and >> Yeah. >> have 50,000 of those accounts and and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was a Nazi.
1:39:40>> Or just um, well, that didn't work either. I was saying like just have it where you're vetted and then only people who've been vetted can comment. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work cuz if a person's a whistleblower, you >> Right. That's the problem. >> ruins that Yeah. >> Yeah, the problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something, especially when you do you're revealing something about a government or corporation where they could whack you.
1:40:03>> Yeah. >> You know, it's like would you I think I got I don't want to say but I think the best way to do it is just to ignore the comments. >> Well, yeah. >> them but there's a bunch of people who don't do that and it does artificially alter public opinion on things. >> Yeah. Yeah, which is that was why like for that post I just took it down cuz I was like, oh, I'm not going to go through and sift out all these comments.
1:40:26>> think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments? >> comments? Oh, No, not until right now. >> That might have been [laughter] the best way to do it. >> have probably should have done that. >> Because it's an interesting I remember that post. >> Yeah. >> It was an interesting post. Yeah.
1:40:39Does it exist anymore anywhere? >> No. >> Wow. >> No, they got me. >> They got you. >> They got you. I know. I was infiltrated. >> Maybe that's how the the people that are pro-Holocaust narrative do it. They put in so many scumbags that if you agree to like if you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person.
1:40:59People don't want to do that. >> That's true. >> shaming you >> Yeah. >> for posting it. >> Jeez. >> Wild. >> It's not good. >> No, it's not good. >> probably should have just taken out the comments but um, I don't really >> How bad was Henry Ford though? >> He's just not a good person overall. >> Is this it?
1:41:16>> Oh. >> Where does it exist? >> YouTube shorts. >> YouTube shorts? >> shorts. Oh. >> the headphones on. >> check the comments? >> Let's start from start from the beginning. >> That'd be pretty funny. >> the beginning. Here we go.
1:41:33When I press >> Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry with his moving assembly line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car. That point they were making 10,000 Model T's a day. He also doubled his employees wages and basically created a new middle class in America.
1:41:54Despite all of this, Henry Ford was also a massive anti-Semite. In 1920, Henry Ford began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew, The World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck a nerve with a young man in Austria who included Henry Ford in his manifesto Mein Kampf.
1:42:17Henry Ford was the only American complimented in that book written by a young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners by Adolf Hitler himself. >> That's wild. Click on the comments, please. >> Yeah. >> Let's go. Here we go. >> love to see what these comments >> it say here?
1:42:39>> Oh, first second one. Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. >> Wow. >> not talking about the first part. >> It always feels like we've forgotten more than we remember. Thank you. I live in Detroit and oh boy, is this topic taboo? >> I wonder why. >> The irony is that whenever the when the war broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of war planes.
1:43:00Um other admirers of that little mustache Austrian painter were Disney, King Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor, Wallis Simpson, >> Lindbergh, yeah. Charles Lindbergh was a massive >> Was he really? Lindbergh was a massive Nazi. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> No way. >> Mhm. >> Um so this isn't as bad >> one's nowhere near as bad.
1:43:22>> It seems like Scroll Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Go back up. >> requested now >> Some of these seem like bots. >> Yeah. I didn't know that Ford was a I mean Ford was a Yeah, don't know. None of it >> Ford was a great man. >> the Montop of guy thing is very >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It could be posters. >> Well, yeah, which I think that's a lot of it, too.
1:43:43>> Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's got a Lionel Richie in his That's his >> Wow. >> his image. >> Poor Lionel Is it Lionel or is it >> So, it seems like it's more of a social media thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were But, God, a lot of those seemed like bots. >> Yeah, they do. These names with all them When you see names like that with a bunch of numbers behind it >> I have no so much more respect for Henry now.
1:44:05>> the one. Yeah, so Yeah, so there's the top. Yeah. >> But, these are definitely nowhere near as bad, I mean. >> Nowhere's near as bad, but the same thing. I have more respect for him. And it But, look at what it is. It's the same thing. It's these names with a bunch of numbers. Yeah. >> Yeah, but almost all of them are >> we There was a an article we've referenced many times where former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk Musk purchased it, and he determined that it was somewhere in the
1:44:35neighborhood of 80% bots. >> Really? >> Cuz they were trying to say that it was 5%. And they did that by a 100 post random sampling. So, they just randomly got allegedly randomly. But, if you're trying to sell something for $4 billion or whatever he paid for it. Is it 40 billion? What did he pay for it?
Music, Oliver Anthony, and Culture
1:44:56For it Twitter? Something crazy. >> 44 billion? >> 44 billion. So, if you're selling something for 44 billion, the last thing you want to do is find out that it's mostly just robots yelling into the abyss. >> Yeah. Or >> But, this CIA guy or this FBI guy said he he estimated at the high end it's in the 80%.
1:45:16>> I mean, that seems so high, but probably >> But, it makes sense, though. >> right. Yeah, yeah. >> If you think about it, that's the town hall. And propaganda has always been a thing, you know, distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out. All this That's always been a thing. So, why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you utilize like the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen?
1:45:38And just have an army of people comment on things. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. Manufactured outrage. >> Yes, which is what most things are now. It's like manufactured outrage or manufactured uh fandom. Like I feel like most things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic. You know? >> kind of stuff?
1:45:58>> Uh like certain movies will make just an astronomical amount of money. I'm like, I I don't think that that many people want to see that movie. Like that new Spider-Man movie, the brand new day is like broke every record. Like who the hell went to go see that? >> You'd be amazed. People love superhero movies.
1:46:13>> the L O L Angle, you know, that music that song. It's you know, nothing against her, nothing against the song, but it's like beating all these records. I'm like, I don't know a single person who's sitting around listening to that. But maybe I also I don't listen to that song. >> Okay. >> I like it.
1:46:24You should go buy it. >> on 6th Street. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Isn't it really Well, that actually makes popular as Yeah, maybe it makes Yeah. I think maybe I'm just I'm not the best person to even talk about that kind of stuff cuz I'm in a damn one person bubble. So >> Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her uh there's a film of her uh a video of her getting ready to go on stage and she's walking through the backstage area.
1:46:46>> And they that song Stayin' Alive is playing and she's dancing. >> It does a little kicks and stuff. Yeah. >> Very compelling. >> It is. It's How isn't it weird how that video is so like captivating? Cuz all the people are being so Yeah. >> Here, play Give me your video. >> When Oh, because of song?
1:47:02>> Yeah. >> Yeah. On that note I'll talk to you later. Never mind. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> You want to just tell me now and then edit it out? What? >> What? You and L L Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going Back to Cali got flagged. >> Oh my god. >> cuz you recited the lyrics to >> Oh my god. These criminals.
1:47:22>> reciting them? >> both of them. >> Yeah, both of us. >> But he probably doesn't own the >> No, it doesn't It's not that it's so much that it's the flag. >> the the flag itself. That's bananas. >> Bananas. >> Wow. >> It's a weird world we're living in, man. >> Yes. >> If you If you hum a song Like um you know that song Is it I'm not going to say it.
1:47:44>> [laughter] >> We're not supposed to be talking about songs anymore, but >> Is it the Is it the the Is it Sunshine of My Life? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys have done that a lot and they get away >> I do that all the time. Like whenever I think about someone like really high on drugs, I always like make that noise.
1:47:59And if you can't Well, I'll make it real quick and then we'll edit it, right? Here we [laughter] go. >> Sunshine of Your Love. >> Yeah, Sunshine of Your Love. >> yeah, Cream. >> So, Cream, right? >> Casually over >> Um so when um if you do that on a podcast, they'll flag you. >> Just do that. >> That That's so crazy.
1:48:15>> Crazy. >> Oh my god. >> I'm I'm amazed mine hasn't. >> Cuz I have a movie podcast and one of our categories is a called Creed and Weave where we You have to place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song ever written, My Own Prison by Creed somewhere in the movie. Where do you put it? And we always end up singing the song.
1:48:35But never gets flagged. >> They probably haven't got you yet. They'll find you. >> know, we do a good job. >> to get you now. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> about it here, they're going to get you. >> Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it. >> [laughter] >> But that That Choosing Texas song is huge. >> No, it is, I guess.
1:48:48Yeah. >> There's something about this world that is so chaotic that um it has made simplicity much more attractive and country music is making a giant comeback. >> Oh my god. >> resurgence. >> Yes. >> And it's because people want like they want to be by the river with a pickup truck and with you know, just having a good time and praising Jesus and they they want simplicity.
1:49:13They want things to be clearly defined and they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us constantly like a fog like that that giant sky demon from Stranger Things. >> Yeah. >> You know that thing? That's like looming that's what our future our uncertain future in this technological hell that we we have unleashed on the world and that there's a lot of people that they they long for the opposite of that.
1:49:46They long for Yellowstone. They long for cowboy shows. They they long for things to be simple. >> That's a bit No, I do agree with that where people just want to have land and people want to occupy their land and they want to you know raise families on their land. >> There's that. >> 90% of >> homesteading.
1:50:06>> Yeah and um but I think with the music though it is kind of interesting cuz like I mean you could kind of say that about any time like the 60s when was there ever a more like what the hell's about to happen to us time but then that was some of the most original music ever made and some of the most complex music ever made at that point.
1:50:23So it was like the chaos turned into chaotic music whereas now the uncertainty has turned into God dang I just want to make sure this music sounds the same. I want to know what I'm getting before I get it like Maybe people just suck at making music now too. Not not well no not in like overall but I think what gets pushed to the top is is more like that.
1:50:48I think people uh like whoever's you know marketing music whatever whatever company you know whether it's Sony whoever they're way less likely to take a risk on someone and they just know like okay this will work the past 15 times well let's go ahead and do 16th and and do it that way. And where I think that wasn't always the case.
1:51:08I mean you could definitely say there was like the pop, you know, bubblegum pop of the '60s where it was just how many versions of the Dave Clark Five can we make? And then but occasionally they would bust out like, you know, like the Doors or, you know, Big Brother and the Holding Company or something.
1:51:26Um now I don't think there's any version of that. >> Well, I don't know if that's true. Cuz I No, because I think that today one of the very unique things about today is that you don't need anyone for you to go viral. All you have to do is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony's a great example of that.
1:51:43Right? He comes up with Rich Men from North of Richmond and it becomes this massive hit. Like out of nowhere. And it turns out he's actually really talented and stays independent and does it all on his own. >> Yeah. But I think those are very few and far between. >> But they exist and they didn't exist before.
1:52:02So, in the '60s you couldn't do that. If you were going to release an album, you had to go through a music company. You had to go through a record company. You had a You had to have an agent. You had to have a manager. You had all these There was gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You couldn't just have a song and bring it to the radio station and say, "Hey, will you play my song?"
1:52:22>> That's not how it worked. >> No, no, you had to bring it Yeah, you had to bring your demo to a label and then the label took care of the rest if they wanted to listen. >> first time performing live was in front of like 12,000 people. >> Jesus Christ. >> [laughter] >> So, he's a guy who like makes a song literally like in a field with a cool guitar and sings the song and it resonated with people so strongly that they just went out to see him in droves.
1:52:51That is But he's a very unique talent. But it's also like that thing now exists where it never existed before. And there are people like that out there. And there's there's a bunch of other ones that are that are really interesting that are are off like left and right, all over the place. In that way, just resonate with people.
1:53:11>> I need to um actually listen to some newer music, cuz I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music, and >> Have you ever heard his song Scornful Woman? Oliver Anthony? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You played it for me. >> That's right. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> I saw a sneak preview.
1:53:31>> That was That was so good. >> No, he is amazing, and there are some people, for sure. I just feel like talent has I don't know. There's something that just feels too robotic about music. Like whenever I hear songs now, it sounds like it's made on a laptop. >> Mhm. >> Like even but like it's almost like too well produced.
1:53:50Whereas if I listen to like Van Halen one, I can hear the times where Eddie Van Halen up. >> Right, right, right. >> Even though he's the greatest guitarist of all time, like I want to hear the imperfections in that. And now, you would have a producer go through and cut out every little thing, and it doesn't even sound like a person anymore.
1:54:07>> Right. >> So, I I there's something that just feels like a uncanny valley about music now. Movies have become that way even to >> Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch now on YouTube, where these short AI movies, like Dracula versus the Wolf Man. >> Yes. >> And they're really clunky. >> Mhm.
1:54:28>> They're clunky, and the graphics are kind of They're a little shitty. They're really good, but not good enough. Like you don't think it's real. >> Right. >> But uh I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to do these things. It's just It's really weird. >> Yeah, I mean I There's part of me that thinks that's a good thing, but part of me that doesn't.
1:54:46Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know? Where I think yeah, I don't know. I feel like less is more almost always. >> Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the quality things. But I think that the quality things are going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before.
AI Films and Starvation Scenarios
1:55:03Like someone who's just a very creative person that has an idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars to produce, instead is just sitting at home with a laptop and a an LLM and they feed it into that and next thing you know, you've got this really cool creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't have been possible.
1:55:22But the amount of those versus the amount of >> Right. >> is crazy. >> That's the problem. >> problem. I think that's a big problem with yeah, with music too is that there's just so much and >> Well, that's why live performance is so awesome. >> Yes. >> Like going to see a live musician >> Yeah. >> you know, like Oliver Anthony played at our club.
1:55:42He played at the mothership. >> I saw that. Yeah. >> We've only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony, his band and Red Clay Strays. >> They're amazing. >> Amazing. >> like one of the few bands of like, you know, that I do actively listen to that's a modern >> Lead singer also Android user.
1:55:58>> Boss. >> There you go. Doesn't give a >> Yeah. No, I feel like there's quite a bit of maybe quite a little overlap in between him and I. >> there's a rebellion thing about Android users. It's it's interesting. There's a bunch of people that I know that are Brian Simpson, Android user. >> See. >> Andrew Wilson, Android user.
1:56:14There's a bunch of people that are like, you know, just unwilling unwilling to give in to the the call of the siren. >> Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn to the mast at this point. Yeah, I'm not I'm not Yeah. Well, I feel like if I changed it that now, I'd be a real >> Yeah. I don't want to stop.
1:56:35>> with committing to something like that. Cuz if if if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize it, oh my god, this is so much easier to use and better and it does things for >> Yeah. >> I don't want [laughter] to even think about that. >> You'd give up on the convenience? What if it was able to do things that you couldn't do without it?
1:56:56>> I'm not that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience. No, cuz I don't do anything else. So, I can I have the time to >> Okay. >> to be having a a less convenient life. >> Do you ever think that you will make your life more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family or anything like that?
1:57:12>> Oh, jeez. Oh, it's entirely possible. I mean, there may already be one now. Um >> How old are you now? >> 32. >> Do you think about it someday? Do you like to have a little Cody running around? >> Um man, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an all right dad. >> I'm sure you're a nice guy.
1:57:31I'm sure you'd be a great dad. And it will it will change you. It'll change you in a I don't know about it in a bad way. It's >> But I can't I won't be able to do it whatever I want to do whenever I want. >> You won't. Well, that makes That's true. >> You see, I'm a big like >> But you will love this child more than you've ever loved anything in your life.
1:57:51It'll change your life. for that. You don't have to. >> No. Well, I'm >> I'm not encouraging you. As a person who is a father, I'm not encouraging. I don't I I think I do not like the idea that you won't the only way to have to live a fulfilling life is to be a parent. Um I think that is uh I think any sort of reductionist perspective on a person's life and purpose, I think is ridiculous.
1:58:17There's a lot of people that have never had children that have greatly impacted the human race. >> Oh, for sure. >> in a super positive way. >> Yeah. >> And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people loved them and missed them and they genuinely changed the world. >> Mhm. >> You don't have to have children.
1:58:32>> No, but in all seriousness, I probably will at some point. Yeah. I'm sure. >> I think you'd be a great >> Yeah, I I think I'd be a you know, a good a good husband, good dad, you know. So, I'd probably do this. >> have to leave your town to find a find a You got a lady right now? >> Yeah. >> Oh, well, good.
1:58:48Congratulations. >> Yeah. >> Does she want to have little ones? >> She already >> does. >> She already does. >> Well, she doesn't already have little Cody's but >> She has children already? >> Yeah. So. I mean, I guess I kind of don't have a choice in that matter then. I mean Yeah. No. No, it's it's all going to work out pretty good.
1:59:05>> Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. You have a good perspective. >> don't really have much of a choice, you know. >> Yeah. >> of you know, be hopeful or dread life and I'm not too interested in that. >> Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown and like like like we're talking about before.
1:59:19I I I really genuinely think that's why there's this genuine there's a trend a clear trend toward like simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles and and certainly during COVID a lot of people like turned to homesteading. >> Yes. >> They realized like oh, we might not be able to have food which by the way, I saw maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day.
1:59:43>> okay. >> I think it's called The Last House. It's >> you're talking about. >> Yeah, you know >> Oh, wait. >> It's bad. >> It kind of looked interesting. Wait. >> Wait. Wait. Hold on. The Last House? Are you sure that's what it was called? >> that's what it's called. >> came out. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It >> Oh.
1:59:59>> Okay, it's good for a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending of any movie of all time. It's almost like they ran out of Yeah, this is it. >> Oh, this is it? >> So, they eventually get Spoiler alert. They get trapped in the house by aliens. So, aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't break the windows.
2:00:17You can't open the door for whatever reason that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these big squid things that like octopus things that hang out outside your door and then most people starve to death cuz they can't leave the house but >> this one family the dad's an engineer. They figure out a way to trap animals and drag them back into the house and then they survive somehow or another but there's these monsters that live out there.
2:00:44I don't want to spoil it for anybody but it's so the ending is so dumb. You're just going to go, "What happened here?" And by the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the guy who played Pablo Escobar. >> Yeah, Narcos. And he was nominated for an Oscar last year for some I can't remember what. >> He's great.
2:01:03>> No, he is. He's an amazing actor. Yeah. >> Holy is [snorts] this movie bad. >> How long do you think you'd you'd be lasting that? >> In that kind of world? Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house is not good. >> Yeah, but you got all kinds of stock >> Yeah, but for good you go, "Okay, good for a year."
2:01:17What are you good for? Two years? And then you're going to need food. You're going to need to get out of the house. There's no way you're going to be able to live in your The premise of the movie is ridiculous. >> Yeah. >> And they they throw a trap out of the chimney, and that's how they catch animals on the front porch.
2:01:30It's the dumbest >> That was pretty good. Good thinking. >> It's kind of okay. Like maybe it kind of would work, but it's the ending. I don't want to give away the ending. The ending you're just going to go, "What the just happened?" >> I wouldn't last. >> One of the one of the monsters is a good monster, and it let and it tells them, "Don't kill these people."
2:01:47And he opens the door and lets them out. After like six years. >> Wait, so that's the ending? >> Oh, yeah. >> [laughter] >> And then they never see the monsters again, and then they go sailing. It's the dumbest ending you'll ever see in a movie. >> chapter on a boat. >> Well, they're going They're going to go around and eventually find other people that live, too.
2:02:06>> Oh god. [sighs] >> But there's like maybe like 30 people left on Earth. And they And by the way, these monsters, they never see them again. That's also a part of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are outside the house and they have to cover the windows or the monsters will see them.
2:02:23And then one day the monsters enter in the house and try to kill them. And then they fight with the monster, and then don't kill the monster, and that monster decides they're a good guy. And so he lets them out. >> I don't like any of this. >> Dude, it's so bad. The ending you're going, "What in the did I just watch?"
2:02:40>> I wouldn't make it 3 days. >> [laughter] >> I can't ration. So, I'd be I'd be really struggling. >> eat all the potato chips and that's it? >> Oh, everything. I mean, I have plenty of things and I could survive, but I'd get way too hungry. >> But if you knew, do you think you would change your behavior?
2:02:54Or would you say like let's just >> It's too embedded. I've lived this way way too long. Till the wheels fall off. Let's go. I mean, might as well. I have a clean bill of health as far as you know, my doctor goes. I might as well go out with a clean bill of health as you know. >> What if you found yourself out in the woods and there was no one anywhere around you?
2:03:13You You like woke up and you're in a cabin, but you have like a rifle, a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a wood stove, and water. Do you think you'd live? >> No, so I would take the rifle and put it >> [laughter] >> I mean, I would I would look out the windows and I would maybe like whistle.
2:03:33>> What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool books in the cabin and all you have to do is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels, stay alive? >> Well. I [laughter] would not. I wouldn't be worth it. I don't know what I would do. No, I think I'd just >> You just end it? >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
2:03:48>> Wow. >> Yeah. I need to I want to like a easy life, you know. >> That's just really sad. >> for a difficult life. No. >> [laughter] >> I'm I'm I've ruined myself, you know. >> Physically. >> Okay. >> But mentally, you do like uh challenges. >> Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big Yeah, no, I love a mental challenge.
Trainers, Diet, and Panic Attacks
2:04:05I love keeping this thing going. It's just from there down, I'm not keeping my you know, I'm I'm Well, I'm conserving energy, like I said. Yeah. Just in case. >> I understand. I understand your perspective. >> something happens, you you're you would be surprised. I'm telling you. I feel like you don't believe me at all on this, but something happened, I'd I'd really be able to take off, you know, pretty quick.
2:04:29>> What do you mean? >> Like fast. >> Run? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I think you're delusional. >> Okay. Well. >> I don't think you'd be able to run. If there was like you and me and an animal was chasing us, it's going to get you. >> I'm coming in first, you're coming in second. >> That's interesting. That's a hilarious perspective.
2:04:46That's actually hilarious. >> depends on the animal, I suppose, but >> It does not depend on the animal. It could be a chicken chasing us. I'm going to get ahead of you by a large margin. Really quickly and there's no way you can catch me. It's not even physically possible. >> What's the distance? >> It doesn't matter.
2:05:02>> Oh. >> It could be 100 yards, it could be 100 miles. >> 40-yard dash, my 40 time was surprisingly quick. >> I think that was a long time ago, Kobe. >> Yeah, it may have been a long time ago. >> It was a long time ago. I don't think there's a chance in hell that you could run faster than me. >> Uh, probably not.
2:05:16>> No. >> No, but but we won't race, so I guess we'll never know the actual answer. >> it's just a weird idea that you have in your head. A guy who's so smart and who is so interested in facts and history has this one delusional idea that you can run. >> Interested in facts and history, yes. Smart, no.
2:05:33>> [laughter] >> You're not smart. >> Uh, I can just remember things, but I I'm a pretty delusional person in that aspect. >> [laughter] >> I think life's way too short to not be delusional. >> That's interesting. So, it's like a protective shield, like being delusional? >> Yes, I just I think everything's going to work out always.
2:05:49>> Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going to be doom. >> Well, >> Those people are exhausting. >> I do Okay, I actually probably shouldn't have said how what I said. Um, I do think everything's going to go bad. But, [laughter] um, I'm sorry. I don't know. I think I I did the wrong order.
2:06:06So, I think everything's going to be bad inside, but on the outside I try to be like I I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it does work, like, you know, but no, on the inside I'm scared to death of everything. >> But everything is going well for you. Like you said you got a lady in your life, you you're you're your page is doing fantastic, you've written two books.
2:06:27Like things are going really well. >> Yes. No, no, it's not that. I just think like, um, you know, what if I have a heart attack right now? Or like, what if What if What if on the way home I die in a car wreck? Like, I'm always thinking I'm a very what if person, which is why I don't like thinking about the future.
2:06:43Cuz when I think of the future, I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like something bad is going to happen to me in the future. But right now, nothing is, so >> If things start to happen bad, like if your health starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions to become healthier? >> Oh, I would like to think so, but >> [laughter] >> I don't know.
2:07:03I'm very much like a as long as everything's coming back all right, I'm going to keep running this son into the ground. >> Right. >> As long as everything's coming back all right. >> I get a if I get an A1C test that looks a little iffy, I don't know what what I'm going to do on that. >> probably change if you had children.
2:07:18Oh, yes. That would be one of the things that would change. You would want to be around for your children, and that does happen to a lot of people. They have children, they say, "Oh my god, I have to be here for this little tiny person that I love to death. I have to change my diet, I have to change my life."
2:07:34>> Oh, yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. I would yeah, I would change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things. Like, I quit drinking. You know, >> When did you do that? >> Seven or eight years ago? I don't know. It was Yeah, probably about eight years ago. Yeah, actually I mean, partly because like Sober October stuff, you know, I used to do.
2:07:50>> Yeah, well, that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, "Oh, like this is way better than drinking every day." >> And you certainly feel a lot better. That's for sure. >> Yeah, and then you know, the month ends, and then I go back to drinking, but I'm like not enjoying it that much, and then by like February of, you know, after that November, I was just like, "No, done.
2:08:09No more. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of drinking every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and feeling horrible." And just quit. And that's it. >> So, I haven't in there. >> I took eight months off. About eight months, and then I I went out with my wife and had a I think I had a margarita.
2:08:27Margarita or a glass of wine, something like that. And then I was like, "Oh, I think I'm back." >> Yeah. >> it. >> See, that's my problem. [laughter] I can't I can't have a little of something. That's the big problem. And that's why my drinking was kind of easy Not that it was easy, but it was kind of easy cuz I can just not drink.
2:08:41I'll live. Like I can just have zero alcohol. But I can't have zero food. And that's my where my problem is. Is I overeat all the time cuz I just I feel like I'm never going to get enough. >> Mhm. >> It's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up like, you know, poor or anything. So, I mean, I'm you know, rich, but like I I don't know why I have this like mentality of like, "Oh, I got to have everything."
2:09:04But that's how I was with alcohol, too. It's like I can't buy an 18-pack of beer cuz that's not going to be enough. >> Really? >> Like No, no, no, no. So, I need to buy two 18s cuz like I know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want to ever run the chance of not having enough. >> Mhm. >> And because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more.
2:09:25>> I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton. I have a a problem. Like I can't stop eating. I just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points where I don't. I get to points where I start getting a belly. I start getting fat on the sides. I look at myself in the mirror. I'm like, "Oh, you look like dude.
2:09:41It's time to like button down the hatches." >> Oh. >> I get to points I've had some points where I got pretty fat. Like right before I did the carnivore diet the first time, I got pretty heavy. I got like I think I was like 208 or 209, which for me is a lot. >> What do you What do you normally run at?
2:09:56>> Right now, I'm 200, which is good. >> That's Is that like normal? >> 200 lbs is normal. When I get above like 205, I start getting a little nervous. That's when I'm getting >> that much of a change? >> Yeah. >> Oh, boy. >> Yeah, you notice a change. Yeah. I notice a change in how I feel. I notice a change in I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight.
2:10:13And I also just feel like you know? I just don't feel as good. But I'm a glutton, man. I I eat so When I sit down to eat, I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I just I eat I'll eat like two like two entrees. Like I'll have like two steaks. I'll have a steak, I'll have a big a big plate of pasta. I'll eat a bunch of appetizers.
2:10:38Like if I go out to dinner with friends, I I eat like a pig. >> Oh, that's nice. >> I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh my god, am I glutton? I'll eat pizza, pasta, and and then I'm just like >> [groaning] >> and my my stomach is literally like stretched [laughter] to the boundaries. Like uh then I'll sit there like a bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart.
2:11:04>> That's me. That's actually me like almost every day. >> I just have self-control other times. And then I don't You know, I I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Or like if I eat at 7:00 p.m. at night, I literally won't have any food at all until maybe 1:00 in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll I'll work out, I'll do all this different stuff, and then I'll eat something before I go and do a podcast.
2:11:29>> Okay. >> And I do that all the time. So my body has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. >> Yeah. >> But in the past like there's been moments in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat late night snacks, I'll get up in the morning, I have a big breakfast, then I have a big lunch, and and it starts getting away from me.
2:11:45>> Yeah. So I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know, over time, but I I I Mine is just very wave, you know, up and down, up and down. >> Yeah. >> Uh right now I'm I'm on a an up, but an up in weight, not in goodness. Um >> Right. >> Yeah. Like I'm really going >> Do you make corrections when you feel like you're going in a bad direction?
2:12:03>> I'm like, "Oh, let's add some salads into this thing." And then I start doing that for a little And then there's the down. That's where I, you know, lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down. But then I'm like, "Eh, but this kind of sucks." So then [laughter] I go right back up. So it really always sucks.
Mother Teresa and Vatican Money
2:12:16Like it's just always either like it sucks, but I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling I'm eating good. >> Right. >> Like, it's just kind of >> Do you think you'd ever get to a point where you'd hire a trainer? >> Oh my god, that just feels real dumb. >> Does it? >> No. I mean, a little bit, but I just I'm I can't be motivated by other people.
2:12:38>> Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people, but the other people can like take you through a routine where you don't have to think. >> So, okay. Okay, so not like a boot camp type thing. Not like celebrity fit club. >> No, no, no, no. >> Okay, cuz I wouldn't have responded well to that. >> I mean, like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting where you meet a guy at like 10:00 a.m.
2:12:55someplace and you work out for an hour three times a week. >> So, like a dietitian like almost like what do you do when you meet with a dietitian? >> Sorry, but a trainer would be like someone who like can they say, "Okay, what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? Okay, I'm going to help you do that."
2:13:11And there's people that are really good at that. >> Right. >> There's a lot of jerk off trainers that are just that just got a job at the gym and most of the time they don't even know what they're doing. There's a lot of people like that. I've met them. But then there's also people that are like really good at their job and take it very seriously and really like helping people and getting people on a on the right track.
2:13:30>> Okay. >> And and recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel better and recognize like, "Oh, this thing like my friend Jelly Roll." >> Uh-huh. >> Jelly Roll's a great example. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Jelly Roll was 500 lb. >> Hell yeah. >> He's lost 300 lb. I mean, that is an And he was a big excess guy.
2:13:48He was drinking and eating and, you know, just off the rails. >> Mhm. >> Now, he's running every day. And now he exercises. And I was just with him in Utah. We went on an elk hunt together. This guy's hunting. He's going up mountains and He's like super healthy now. It's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And I mean, he's like, "I've never felt better in my life.
2:14:10Like, I feel so good. It's like I can't believe it took me so long to get on this path. >> Yeah. So, I would do something like that, I think. Like a trainer actually, you know, sitting down with you and like in the morning >> it just started with walking. >> Well, that's the thing. So, I did buy a treadmill, uh which has now become a clothes rack, but I did buy a treadmill.
2:14:31And uh I was like walking on walking on I was like, "Oh, look at me. I'm like you're making a difference." And uh then, you know, my heart started going a little fast. And I was breathing a little heavy, but it was, you know, just cuz it'd been like 30 minutes on the treadmill. And then I got afraid that I couldn't catch my breath and I had a panic attack.
2:14:46And I was like, "Oh, this isn't good." >> Uh-huh. >> And then every time I got on it, I immediately was like, "Oh, this isn't good. My breath I'm out of breath." Which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine. >> It's just psychological. >> It's all in my head. I have massive like panic. So, which is all, you know, from all, you know, the anxiety.
2:15:02Like, I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct. >> 100%. >> I like you. You're a really good guy. I want you to >> be better. I want you to be healthier. That's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion. >> Yeah. It's an interventionist thing. >> No, not really. But, you know what?
2:15:16One thing that would really help >> Huh? >> uh putting your treadmill in front of a television and watching a movie. >> Yeah. So, that's what I was doing. Well, that is what I was doing. >> to do it. >> Yeah, I was watching like Lord of the Rings cuz I was like, "I want to do the walk to Mordor thing, you know?"
2:15:29It's a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings. And I was like, "And that's walking. Like, I can walk, Jesus." >> Yeah. >> And so, I was doing that, but then I was like doing some incline cuz I was like, "Okay, I'm really going to test myself here." Probably shouldn't have done that. >> Start >> I didn't start as slow as I should have.
2:15:46>> Yeah. >> But >> I This is one of the things that we've done these uh comedian workouts where I bring comics in and we we have a gym next door. >> Okay. >> And uh the first thing I tell them before we do it, I go, "You are not going to get exhausted. You're not going to get exhausted and I'm not going to push you.
2:16:04Right. going to do is we're just going to do a series of movements, very gradually build your body up to the point where you can start doing more. >> Yeah. >> And that's the way to do it. The way to do it is not like kick your ass the first day where you wake up and you're like, "Oh, fuck." You're sore [clears throat] getting out of bed.
2:16:21all that. You need to build up Like if you try to do what I do, like for the first day, it'd be terrible for you. But you could do what I do eventually and be just like me where I was like, I came here today, I feel fine. I feel great. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. It's like a you have to get your body to a resilience point.
2:16:39You got to build it up. But I think you should build it up slowly. >> Yes. >> And the one of the best ways to do it is to do cardio while you're watching a good movie. Because you just get captivated by the movie. You know, you're on a elliptical machine just watching a movie. That's why I watched John Wick so many times.
2:16:55It It started during Sober October. >> Right. >> Where I was like, you know, I was just thinking like a this about this revenge movie. it. Just keeps you going. Or any anything that captivates your attention span and takes your mind off of the fact that you're breathing a little heavy. And you're not even breathing really heavy.
2:17:14>> No, and I even whenever I had the full, you know, freak out, I was I was fine. And even after it was done, I was like, "What the were you freaking out about?" >> Yeah. >> But then it just sticks in my head like it always just I don't know. I have a just a >> an interesting head. You know, you're you're the way your mind works, the way you're interested in all these different things.
2:17:31That also could like turn against you. >> Hmm. Boy, does it. Yeah. [laughter] That's why I've slept with the TV on since I was 3 years old. >> Have you really? >> Yeah. I can't >> day sleep with the TV on? >> the TV on. Has to. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I can't be alone with my thoughts. Ever. Ever. It's too much.
2:17:46It's just >> Yeah. It's like >> You never like meditate or anything like that? >> I've tried and like I can do it. Like I can, you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come, let the thought go, you know, all that kind stuff. But, I don't feel any different afterwards. And I've done it for like months at a time.
2:18:07Yeah, it just does nothing. I just No, I just try to um like suffocate it. >> [laughter] >> Just try to suffocate the voices in here, you know, not voices, but like the thoughts. >> Yeah. >> It just with distractions. >> Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people. One of the things that I really love about doing this podcast is I get to talk to so many different kinds of people.
2:18:32And you know, there's a lot of narrow-minded people that think that everybody should live one way. And everybody should think one way and behave one This is the right way. I don't think that's real. And I think there's a lot of different very interesting creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's.
2:18:48And that's a great thing. You know, and your burden is that you can't be alone with your thoughts. But, that's also why you produce so much great content. Because you can't be alone with your thoughts, so you're always you're always engaging with stuff. >> to be distracted. So, why not distract myself with, you know, >> But, it's also you're >> distracting yourself with stuff that's >> I mean, it's really um because of all these facts and all this information that you've acquired and all
2:19:14the stuff that you've put out there in the world, you've like changed a lot of people's perspective on things. You've given people a lot of stuff to think about. You know, and that's a great service. It really is. >> Yeah, I just never really think about it. >> It's the opposite of real housewives. What are you doing?
2:19:32>> I wouldn't go that far, but >> [laughter] >> it provides a service for me, but yeah, no, I I Yeah, I guess I never really think about it like that that people really Yeah, and get anything out of it or anything. >> Oh, dude, I get a lot out of your page. That's why I'm always sending you interesting information.
2:19:45[laughter] >> I know. Like it was just fun cuz like I got a lot some of it's stuff that I have like heard about I'm like, oh, I did a video on that like a long, long time ago. But, a lot of it isn't It's like, holy cow, I never knew that." Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is, "Did you know?"
2:20:02>> Right. >> Like when someone comes up to me and says, "Hey, did you know?" I'm immediately like, "Oh, come on, come on." And there's times where like, "Oh, I already knew it." But it's like, "Oh, well, that's cool that That's cool you knew it." But >> Yeah. >> whenever they follow that up with like something I didn't know, oh, man.
2:20:17That's like one of my favorite feelings in the world. It's It's learning something that I didn't know. >> Yeah. Especially something really wild and cool. >> Like, "Whoa." >> Especially if it's about somebody that is like well-known. You're like, "Wow, how do people not know that side of that person?"
2:20:33>> And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry Ford Like I didn't know that. I was like, "Whoa." >> not cool like good. >> No, I know what you mean. But yeah, but But it's It's interesting to know that there's, you know, some of our most celebrated people were monsters. >> Yeah, it's like Gandhi, Mother Teresa, >> Yeah.
2:20:49>> um you know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez, we talked you know. Like most of those people were complete scumbags. >> I mean, some [laughter] of them did some good stuff. I mean, I don't know if Mother Teresa never did anything good, but >> um I mean, Gandhi, you know. >> Was Mother Teresa that bad? >> Real bad.
2:21:06>> What was Mother Teresa's deal? >> So, Mother Teresa had a um you know, she would like heal the sick and all that uh BS. But she basically just had a giant concrete storage room that she would put sick people in and donate and give all the money that was being donated to her to the Vatican, not use it to treat any of them.
2:21:24>> Really? >> like suffering brought you closer to God. So, she would just walk up and down the rows of sick dying people like, "Look how close to God I am." She's a scumbag. A horrible person. >> Really? So, she could have helped them with medication? >> I think they were giving them like, you know, very basic things.
2:21:41But like, you know, they're sleeping on like concrete floors. Like meanwhile, she's getting millions donated. Like Princess Diana, you know, was giving all this money to Mother Teresa and she's just this frail old, you know, nun, so you you're none the wiser. But yeah, she's just like funneling it right out to the Vatican.
2:22:01>> And was she portraying her role very differently than the reality of it? >> Yeah, it's it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa like to everybody. It's it's this like sort of patron saint of, you know, which I don't know what she is the saint of, if anything, but like to most people in most people's eyes like that's a a good person.
2:22:18Like, "Oh, you're just like, you know, Mother Teresa is synonymous like how Einstein is with being smart." Mother Teresa's with like caring and kindness and, you know, virtue. >> And she was just sending all the money to the Vatican. >> Yeah, the vast majority to the Vatican and just having a, you know, a basically a torture chamber, you know, where people are just suffering constantly.
2:22:37>> So you think you're going to go to Mother Teresa, she's going to take care of you, and you just get locked in a basement. >> Yeah. Yeah, you get locked in this giant concrete room with like basically no windows, no sunlight getting in, and just people just have like whatever dysentery or, yeah, whatever disease they have.
Modern Art, CIA, and Hendrix
2:22:53>> all over your bed sheets and just slowly slip away. >> Yeah. Yeah. [groaning] I mean, not good. It's like a frat house. Yeah. >> The whole Vatican thing is so strange. >> Well, it's >> That's one of the places that I when I went to, I was a little weirded out. I was like, "Yeah. You guys have so much money."
2:23:12>> A lot of money. >> It's There's billions of dollars in artwork there. You walk around like, "This is kind of crazy." They have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place. It's almost like they're hoarders for art. >> It's which I mean, art is a, you know, embezzlement scheme anyways, but um I mean, most of it is.
2:23:32>> You think? >> Yeah. >> You don't think Hunter Biden was getting paid all that money because his art was amazing? What are you trying to say? >> Well, I mean, who am I to judge, you know, the talent level of an artist, but uh >> It is an interesting way to launder money, right? >> they do. it. mean like you know there's no like what's to make a painting you know like 70 million and then one that uh from our street never heard of sells for like 35 million you're like >> Especially in modern art, which is like
2:23:58very easy to make. I don't give a what anybody says. There's one that sold There's one that sold for God, I want to say it was like tens of millions of dollars. It might have been like 60 million dollars. But it's basically like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint, and a red stripe of paint.
2:24:16And it's famous. And so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions, one of those. And this thing got auctioned off for this preposterous amount of money. And you're like what is happening here? Like is this a scheme? Is this like how is this >> It's got to be. >> How is this How does this represent such an insane amount of generational wealth for just this stupid painting that you could make in a couple of hours.
2:24:43Not even in a couple of hours, an hour. >> Well, you just don't get it. >> I'm stupid. I'm stupid. >> [laughter] >> Like yeah, I mean it's >> I'm uncultured. >> It's amazing to >> See if you can find that painting. It's It's really crazy. When you see it, it's really crazy. Like okay, this is You're You're pissing That's it.
2:25:01That's it. That's it. How much is that one, Jamie? >> I am afraid to tell you, I think. >> That's amazing though. >> I don't know if this one was. That's one's This is actually on the top of the article, so >> That's really I mean it's kind of a >> the one I'm talking about. Oh my god, does that say 105 million?
2:25:16>> That's the one I was looking at. No, that's a different one. Yes, now it's now it's on the the list. Let me find the picture in the list. >> Oh, there was that Jackson Pollock >> there. 186 million. >> So like Mark Rothko is like a pretty well-known artist. >> Look at that. >> But that >> That is 186 million dollars.
2:25:32>> Which is crazy cuz I think like a lot of the Rothko paintings are like that. And yeah, he's like Oh, yeah, I think there's the Jackson Are those Pollocks or >> 300 million. Look at this one. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that 300 million? Do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that?
2:25:51>> With modern art? Oh, there's a >> know that? Do you know the scion? >> With modern art? >> Yeah, you know that? >> No. Oh. >> No, I'm so happy to tell you this. >> Okay. >> So, the CIA during the time of Jackson Pollock >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Which is why we're we're we're we were in the middle of the Cold War.
2:26:09The CIA started this thing for modern art to to pump up American art because we didn't have any art that compared with the classics from Russia. >> Right, right. >> So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA modern art scion. This is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor. The CIA secretly supported the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the Cold War.
2:26:38So, what actually happened? In the 1950s, the CIA funded the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences, and exhibitions. It presented itself as an independent cultural organization while while covertly advancing an anti-Soviet agenda. So, American abstract expressionism, the [clears throat] work of Jackson Pollock, Rothko, Willem de Kooning, those guys that we just saw, fit the agenda.
2:27:07It's [clears throat] individuality and experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism. The paintings didn't need to contain explicit political message. Their freedom of form was the message.
2:27:25So, how the scion worked. Indirect funding. Money money moved through cultural organizations and intermediaries rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship. This is described as a long leash approach. International exhibitions held establish American paintings prestige abroad. Historians have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting which toured Europe in 1958 to 1959.
2:27:51So all that art that you look at and you go this is How did this become so famous and so valuable? >> Right. CIA. >> That's so weird. I mean it does make perfect sense. >> Same people who brought us MK Ultra, the same like they engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects of our society. >> Yeah, but there's all the connections like or what people think are connections um you know, with like the music scene in the 60s was all like >> Oh yeah.
2:28:19Cuz like so many of them >> Strange times in Laurel Canyon I think it was too. >> Yeah, like Morrison's dad, Jim Morrison's dad being you know, the navy admiral. >> He's an intelligence agent. >> He was the navy admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin. >> Yeah. >> responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin. >> Yeah.
2:28:34>> And Jim Morrison used to always like get in interviews and that stuff about his parents he would just say they died in a car wreck. That was always Yeah, that was always his response they died in a car wreck uh they hit a group of Indians. >> That's what he said? >> Mhm. Yeah, I think so. >> Was his dad still alive?
2:28:49>> Yeah, his [laughter] parents are alive. Yeah, alive and well. They were in one documentary about the Doors I watched like they finally interviewed his dad and asked him like what he thought about Jim Morrison. It was kind of weird but it was like back in the maybe 80s or so but >> Yeah, the thing is they were good.
2:29:03They were really good. So the Yeah, so the question is like can you really engineer that kind of creativity and talent? >> Well, that's what I that's where I get kind of skeptical about that side of it is the >> Yeah. >> like or were there a lot of military kids in that area because it's where there's you know, there's a lot of military ba- you know, military base in that area and are there just naturally going to be a lot of kids and kids tend to rebel against their parents.
2:29:29Well, if my parents are involved with the military, you know, screw the military, I'm going to make I'm going to get involved with the group that doesn't like the military. >> Yes. >> And and some and 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors, whatever the hell, and then there's like 10% who just happen to be good musicians.
2:29:46Like how much of that is like is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever. >> tend to definitely create like like a picture that doesn't exist. They tend to draw lines and connect dots. We look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. But but it's because so many patterns do exist. >> Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns.
2:30:09That's why That's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. It's why like you know, I mean, people will give whole explanations for a for an event that never occurred. But it's because they're they're they know the beginning and end, so they have to be able to connect that. >> Right. >> Like cuz you have to have the pattern, so.
2:30:27I mean, you have optical illusions, like when you see an optical illusion, the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern. >> What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie, where they look like two different colors until you put your fingers over the line in between them, and then they all of a sudden become one color?
2:30:47It is so weird. >> Yeah, there's some interesting ones with that or like where you'll have like a Coca-Cola can that looks red in the picture, but it's actually all black and white. It's just cuz there's these tiny green lines. Oh, yeah. Okay, I remember seeing this one. Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah.
2:31:05>> Like that thing right there, make that large, please. That thing is That's They're both the same color. >> Yeah. >> And you don't realize it until you take your fingers and cover the line, and then you you go, "What in the is that? How is that possible?" >> It's cuz of a What What did they call it?
2:31:22Cuz of a Jesus. >> What is it called again, Jamie? What's that corn sweet? >> the corn sweet illusion, yeah. >> Yeah, that's >> nuts. That one's nuts. Cuz you you would swear to God that the lower one is a lighter color than the upper one. Until you block out that line in the center and then you're just like, holy >> so many of those, too.
2:31:40Like there's so many and they're just so they're fascinating to me of like how your brain can trick itself. This Yeah. >> Yeah, it's just the whiteness of the the top of the bottom one >> Yeah. >> that makes it seem like it's a different color below it. But it's the same color. >> pattern and patterns, that's how it would be.
2:31:57Like in anywhere else in nature, if something had that wide of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color and the thing that's darker, like that dark, would normally be darker. >> It's just weird that your brain with you that much. >> Yeah, it's trying its damndest to, you know, get you where it needs to be, but yeah, it'll definitely >> And I think that applies to like connecting these dots.
2:32:17>> Like Jim Morrison stands and that's the CIA engineered the hippie movement, which I think there's some evidence that they probably were involved in that as well. There's just definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip-hop. >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, well, with the hippie movement, too, there's there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to stage protests and like, you know, organized protests.
2:32:37That um even like uh was it like Gloria Steinem was working at with the CIA at one point to stage, you know, like these things. So like there's always been that version of it, but then it's just, you know, whether or not all of it is because of that. >> No. I don't think you can engineer Hendrix. >> No, and and >> Right?
2:32:59You know what I mean? Cuz I've heard that >> wasn't even like an anti-war [clears throat] person. Hendrix didn't give a damn. He was in the war. He was in Vietnam. >> Uh well, he you know, he had songs that were anti-war. >> And it was not necessarily anti-war. >> Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean as far as like outwardly So not necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war, he was not necessarily one of the like you know, >> He spoke out against it on stage.
2:33:23>> Against the war? >> Yeah. >> I don't remember ever seeing him like actually speak out like fully against the war. I thought he was >> He's speaking out against the war and against violence on stage in in the live version of Machine Gun. >> Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think No, it was more like in his day-to-day life.
2:33:41Like he used to get really angry with people who would like criticize the war if they like said certain or like were critical not the war, but of like soldiers. I think he used to get like really upset about that. >> Yes, Jimi Hendrix expressed anti-war views through his music, especially Machine Gun, but his politics were more complicated than a simple lifelong pacifist label.
2:33:58Accounts of his early career describe him as supporting US involvement in in Vietnam before his later music became closely associated with opposition to war. Well, he was a young man. I mean, he died when he's only 27. >> Yeah. >> And Machine Gun is the clearest example released on Band of Gypsies in 1970.
2:34:14It portrays the brutality of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire, great song. Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people fighting in Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves, connecting the battlefield violence with conflict at home. that guy was good. >> Yeah. But even that's not necessarily anti-war.
2:34:36Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now going on stage and saying like, you know, anti-war things, but I think he was more like I know he got in a fight with Was it like Pete Townshend or Mick Jagger or somebody because they were criticizing like the troops who were in Vietnam.
2:34:52And he was like, "Hey, hey, hey, like hold on. Like I you know, I was a troop in Vietnam. Like they're not the problem. It's the Like yeah, being against like the government of war, I think I'm sure, but >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But like Jim Morrison wasn't like anti-war like >> He just liked to pull his dick out.
2:35:10>> Just like pulling his dick out, which is not >> Chuck Lorre was here the other day and he told us that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert. He didn't even get through the first song. He he to pull his dick off, and they they came on the stage with horseback to remove him. >> They were on horses.
2:35:23>> I mean, he was just such a animal. >> It might not This is not a the same fight you said, but this is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townshend. >> Backstage argument, not a documented fist fight. Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townshend clashed at the Monterey Pop Festival, June 18, 1967, over who would perform first.
Rock Feuds and Jerry Lee Lewis
2:35:39Neither wanted to follow the other's explosive stage act. >> Read the quote. >> Um it was just Jimmy on a chair playing at me, playing at me like, "Don't with me, you little shit." >> He's just [laughter] standing on a chair playing guitar at him. >> Yeah. >> That's what Townshend said Jimmy did. >> him by his playing.
2:35:58>> And not only that, like imagine like him playing in front of you going, "I'm not following that." >> Yeah, yeah. And then that's [laughter] what he says, guitar on fire. >> Yeah, it was uh >> Yeah, Townshend's >> Oh, so it wasn't Townshend's guitar? I've always heard that it was Town and Townshend's guitar that he was playing.
2:36:14>> it could have been. They might have just left that fact out of this. >> Oh, so they they wanted to play first. So, the Who wanted to play first. >> want to follow they didn't want to follow Hendrix. >> Yeah. >> Hendrix Town- Townshend smashed his guitar during their set, and Hendrix later famously set his own guitar on fire.
2:36:30>> Yeah. >> Wow. Interesting. >> Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that, too, like with uh Jerry Lee Lewis, you know, >> Oh, yeah. >> with uh Chuck Berry lighting his piano on fire and then saying >> "Follow that motherfucker." >> Yeah, yeah. >> [laughter] >> Amazingly. >> I mean, he almost killed a couple people.
2:36:46May or may not have killed a couple of his wives. >> May or may not have. Seems like he probably might have been. >> Tried to kill Elvis. >> Did he try to kill Elvis? >> Yeah, he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried ramming his car through the gates and stepped out waving a a gun in the air saying I I saying, "I'm here to like like a let's see who's the or he said like, "Let's see who's the real king now."
2:37:07And he was trying to kill him, and Elvis meanwhile was inside watching him through the security camera, you know, going like, "Oh, you got to get down here." You know, like And [laughter] uh cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis gets back in his car with the window still up, doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle, then throws it at the cops, and just shatters in his car.
2:37:24>> [laughter] >> Yeah, that guy was a loose cannon. >> Yeah, I'd say. Yeah, I mean, well, Jimmy Swaggart's cousin, you're going to be a little bit of >> That's right. >> Yeah, you're going to >> Did you write it Did you make a video about that? >> Uh I don't think I made one about them being cousins, but I made one about him, you know, being a lunatic.
2:37:41>> Yeah, he was a legit lunatic. >> Yeah, absolute like psychopath. Which is Jimmy Swaggart's a lunatic. And their other cousin was a like Mickey Gilley, I think, who's also a very famous country singer, but um yeah, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis. >> it's interesting like the preacher connection to entertainment.
2:37:57>> the same. It's one in the same. >> Yes. >> that type of preacher, like a televangelist is Oh, yeah, there they are. Yeah. >> Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look at them. They both look like psychos. They both look like Let me see that. Close in on that >> picture again. >> Look at They both look like complete psychos.
2:38:12If I was alone in a room with these guys and they were drinking, especially Swaggart, I'd be like, "I got to get the out of here." Look at his eyes. >> Yeah. >> looks dangerous. >> Yes. >> He looks like a fighter. >> Yeah, and then >> dangerous. >> Yeah, and then Jerry Lee Lewis. >> I have sinned. Remember [laughter] that?
2:38:28I have sinned. >> He got busted with hookers. >> Didn't he get busted a second time? >> [laughter] >> I have sinned. It was amazing. >> Didn't he get busted a second time after that? I I want to say he did, but maybe not, but >> You know, Kennison was a preacher, too. >> Yeah. Which there's that's a perfect crossover, too.
2:38:46Like just that stage presence and I mean, obviously that's a different kind of stage presence, but >> at church. Churches Someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining. >> Yes. It's part of it. >> Yeah, when I was a kid Yeah, charisma. >> Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to this like non-denominational church, and like the our preacher was like, yeah, very captivating.
2:39:02Everybody loved him. He's very friendly. And he's a good guy. I mean, there was no like dark side to him as far as I know, but but there's definitely ones that have a big old dark side. >> It's got a second prostitution scandal in California in 1991. Oh my goodness. >> I mean, you like what you like.
Televangelists and Jessica Hahn
2:39:17>> What was the first one? 88 and then 91, 3 years later. They had their eye on him. >> I mean, I have sinned against you, my lord. >> [laughter] >> Oh, speaking of it, what's his name just >> Fun times. >> What's his name just died? Old Jim Baker? >> Did he? >> Yeah, like a couple days ago. >> Oh, that's right.
2:39:35>> Faye died like a little while back, but um >> Poor Jim. >> Rest in peace, I suppose. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> And who was the gal? >> Tammy Faye. >> No, the other gal that he had the affair with. >> Oh, oh, um Oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal that one mixed up like names-wise. >> Jessica Hahn.
2:39:56>> And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kinison's girlfriend. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, and went on the Howard Stern show and talked about Sam Kinison. >> That's amazing. [laughter] Yeah, that's a good Yeah, wow, [screaming] I did not know that. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's the connection. >> Yeah, you should put a video up 100%.
2:40:17>> Yeah, I did I never knew that one. >> Yeah, uh Jessica Hahn had a fling with Sam Kinison. >> God. Can you imagine? >> There she is. She was hot back in the day. See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinison. Look at her. >> Dirty. >> My god. >> Dirty, hot, lots of makeup, that's how I like them.
2:40:33>> Yeah, that's Yeah. >> Oh, that's her in the >> Sam Kinison and Jessica Hahn. >> Is that the the Wild Thing video? Remember when they did Wild Thing like the cover? >> Yeah, Wild Thing, that's her. >> I'm that's her. Yeah. >> Yep, that's her. Yeah. Go back to that last picture with She's hot as >> Super hot.
2:40:49>> Woo, Jim Baker, let's go. >> Yeah, so Jim Baker, I I mean, my >> killing it. >> I mean, who >> How could you be mad at him? >> I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that? That's what I'm saying. >> Duh, I have sinned. >> Oh my god. >> I have sinned, my lord. >> [laughter] >> I mean, it could be worse.
2:41:10Could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, with Divine Brown. Like Jim Bakker went the opposite way. >> Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers. >> Yeah. >> And that's what you want. You want somebody to cheat somebody with a >> hot >> Cuz then it's like, god damn. >> Yeah, hot. Big >> I have sinned.
2:41:26>> [laughter] >> Boy, >> what a good actor. >> Are they all kind of odd? >> Uh, for me, he will be that photo with him and Jerry Lewis forever. >> Yeah. >> Young man, you look in that young man's eyes. >> Yeah. >> The darkness. >> Do you ever watch Great Balls of Fire? >> Yeah. >> Dennis Quaid, it's uh, Alec Baldwin, isn't it?
2:41:41Plays as Jimmy Swaggart. >> Oh, that's right. >> Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is a >> Dennis Quaid was a >> awesome as Jerry Lewis. >> Jerry Lee Lewis. >> I'm big Dennis Quaid >> Oh, he's great. >> You ever seen Breaking Away? That's another >> Yeah, look at that. >> Yeah, look Yeah, there they are. >> Wow.
2:41:57>> like perfect casting. >> Yeah. >> Like Alec Baldwin is a good a pretty like convincing Jimmy Swaggart. >> I haven't seen that movie in a long time. >> Oh, yeah, me. There's Winona Ryder, too, I think, isn't it? That played the cousin that he married. Yeah. >> She was on the line with crazy. She started stealing things.
2:42:14That was odd. >> I think people just like the pressure of that kind of fame and that that that life just A lot of people just too much. They just go crazy. >> Oh, they're all nuts. I mean, James Brown was a lunatic. He tried to kill >> James Brown was amazing. >> He tried to kill Joe Tex at a a restaurant.
2:42:30I mean, at a club, I mean. >> He got in a shootout with the cops in a high-speed chase cuz someone was using his bathroom. Someone was taking a in his personal bathroom. >> [laughter] >> Which is under actually understandable. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it was like a four cross four states, wasn't it? Or something like that?
2:42:46[laughter] >> Oh, they shot his tires out. >> Oh, that's one of my driving >> one of my favorite videos ever is that news interview. Oh my god. >> It's like, we You need to ask him. We can it straight FROM THE SOURCE. >> [laughter] >> YEAH. WHERE HE JUST KEEPS LIKE reciting his song lyrics. He's like, "I feel good."
2:43:03>> Exactly. Shooting a reps over James Brown's height. >> His height. >> [laughter] >> Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when the two of them argued over James Brown's height. Oh, was >> Some other people. Oh, that's hilarious. THE GUY DIED. HE GOT SHOT AND KILLED. He was 73 years old. He got killed over an argument is unclear exactly how tall he was.
2:43:30>> [laughter] >> All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. Always fun to talk to you. Thanks for having me again. My pleasure. Like I said, I love your page. Your book is "Where Did That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases." Cody Tucker, out now. Is there an audio version of this?
Book Plug and Wrap-Up
2:43:48>> No, not yet, but I am working on one. I got um the person who did my like the graphics, which I got to give a shout out, Carly, uh amazing job with the, you know, making it look like an old school book, like I wanted. Yeah, her her husband's a comic, KP Burke, a great dude. He does a lot of like this kind of stuff, like the long-form history stuff.
2:44:05>> Oh, so he's going to read it? >> No, no, no, but I'm just saying like that's hey, he just does that. He's a very interesting guy you should check out at some point. Does like really cool history like long-form videos. But no, I'm going >> Oh, where What is his Does he have a channel? What is it called?
2:44:17>> Uh I don't know the channel. It's KP KP Burke. He does stuff with like uh like the SDR, you know, like Ralph Sutton and like uh uh James and Allison and like all those guys. Like Yeah, good dude, but um his wife set everything up and she's going to do like the audio book and everything. >> Oh, dope.
2:44:32But are you going to read it? >> No, I'm going to read it. >> Okay, good. Beautiful. You got to read it. You got to read it. >> Yeah, I 100%. Yeah, that would be very disappointing if you No, I'm definitely going to read >> All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother. >> Thanks, man. Thanks for having me.
2:44:46>> My pleasure. [music] All right. Bye, everybody.
2:44:53>> [music]
2:45:01>> Woo!
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