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Hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome actor and director Tim Robbins to SmartLess. They discuss his early life with musician parents, his baseball and hockey hobbies, his films like Bull Durham, Shawshank Redemption, Dead Man Walking, and Bob Roberts, his prison theater work, his role in Silo season 3, and his upcoming multimedia project at timrobins.com. The overall takeaway is Robbins' call to stop letting political hatred define people and to build community through shared experience.
- Robbins says he got the acting bug as a child watching his father, a folk musician in the group The Highwaymen, perform on stage.
- He describes his Dungeons and Dragons and Stratomatic Baseball hobbies, and his weekly roller hockey games.
- Robbins recalls auditioning for Bull Durham by throwing a baseball with Kevin Costner, and says he reached about 85 mph while having no control.
- He introduces timrobins.com, a multimedia archive including his band Rogues Gallery recordings, his father's music, and old behind-the-scenes videos from Howard the Duck, set to launch September 1st.
- Robbins describes the Actors' Gang prison project in California, which uses theater workshops with inmates from rival groups and was documented in the film 45 Seconds of Laughter.
- He argues that people should stop starting their days with political anger and instead ask what they are doing to make a difference.
- Robbins says the crew culture on Silo, shot in London, was unusually humane, with 10-hour days and reasonable schedules.
- The hosts close by reflecting on their poker nights with Robbins at Cage's house and the group's admiration for his films.
Opening and Hot Weather
0:06Guys, it's so hot outside. Is anybody else hot? I'm so hot. I need a glass of water or something. I need something to cool off. You know what's going to make me cool off? [music] A new episode of Smartless. Woo! >> Smart Lass. Smart.
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Italy and Hosts' Updates
0:36>> Hey guys. Hey. >> Hey. Will's in Italy. Oh my gosh. Will, what time is it in Italy? >> Who? Nobody knows. >> It's time for a camp. Cue the music. >> It's a problem for tomorrow. No. >> So, Will, have you run into our our uh back of the theater uh critic? >> Oh, everybody here. What a bar, guys. Look at >> this guy.
0:58What [laughter] a body on him. Nobody knew. I see him on the Italian beaches now. >> No way. AT FAST 56. I'LL EAT my hat. [laughter] But uh what part of >> we did have we did have we had uh we're up in uh we're on the Italian Riviera right now. And let me tell you something. Fantastico. >> That's that's a Portoino.
1:20That's >> just drove up here today. Just drove up. was at a wedding in uh Tuskanyany. >> Sure. >> And um but I did have a guy the other day came into the room to to look at something with the AC and couldn't with the light and couldn't fix it. Wouldn't it go out and he said, "Uh, it's a problem for tomorrow."
1:38No, [laughter]
1:45>> with a with a little smile like that, too. >> It's too hot to fix today. >> You know what? And it was it was a problem for tomorrow. Isn't that so different? It's so different than us. >> I know. What do you mean you can't fix it here? It would be >> Yeah, they take all of August off. Europe does.
2:00>> It's so good. It's so so good. What about you, JB? How's How's the uh how's the city treating you right now? >> Uh the city is all right. Um the heat has um gone down to 85 and 90% humidity as opposed to 95 and 90% humidity. >> Are you shooting outside? >> Yeah. Yeah, on a farm. Not a lot of Not a lot of shade, but it's it's okay.
2:20It's great. I'm losing water weight, you guys. You know how I love that. [laughter] >> Um, and Shaunie, how are you? >> And Sean wants to go just try to going from the bedroom to the office and back into the bedroom. >> Okay, back up. >> Try not to sprain your ankle going in and out of the kitchen. >> No.
2:38[laughter] >> Hey, have you had any more s'mores dates with yourself? >> Had a couple I had a couple more of them. [laughter] >> Oh, Sean has been up early. >> I was up early. Uh any anything to update us on in your life, Sean? >> Yeah. Um I did Oh, yeah. I did a um just last night I did a uh with my friend Todd Stashwick who was an actor.
2:59I went to college with him >> and we he hosted a D&D night, a Dungeons and Dragons night. But I haven't played Dungeons and Dragons in like since I was like 10 years old. >> Since you lost your Yeah. Because you're 56. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> I mean, it adds up [laughter] if you think about it. If you look at it, the math adds up.
Dungeons and Dragons Talk
3:19Wasn't it kind of him to like throw in the surprise in that sentence? Like I haven't played since I was 10. Can you believe? Nor has anyone else. [laughter] >> No, it did. >> No, but we really did. It was so fun. I mean, it was I think Stranger Stranger Things really brought that game back. So >> So what is it with that?
3:36I've I never did play it when I was 10. It is it's a role playing thing, right? And you you sort of >> all improvised. Yeah. So, but do you do you you roll dice to find out who can who gets the the the shield, who gets the sword? >> Well, like who gets and and like damage and like how much damage you did?
3:52Like did you survive their hit or did you >> was that just based on how hard you roll or [laughter] >> Yeah. No, it was it was really funny. >> Are higher numbers more damage? >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. Okay. >> But you know what it's like? It's like playing a It's like playing a video game but with your mind.
4:10Ah. >> Oh, okay. So, you really get carried. You really just get taken away into a different place. >> Wait, I heard this. I heard this joke. [laughter] >> You get carried away. >> Your mind. >> So fun. >> Do you want to hear a good joke? A new pun joke? A dad joke? >> Yeah. I've been getting my my money's worth out of uh out of uh What did the uh sushi say to the bumblebee wasabi?
4:40>> Everyone's been enjoying that around. Have they been telling you they enjoyed it when you're the boss? >> Well, I see it on their faces. >> Yeah, sure. [laughter] Oh, that's a good one, boss. The guy. Hey. Hey. Has Jason hit you with that four [ __ ] times, too? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> He thinks I'm a PA.
4:55I'm a [ __ ] I'm a driver over and over again. >> You got a freshy for me. >> Hey, you guys. Oh, God. This is awful. The new >> uh the guy who invented uh cough drops died yesterday. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. There's not there there's not going to be any coffin at his funeral. >> All right, I'll take that.
5:16[snorts and laughter] >> I'll take that. >> I mean, >> yeah, they'll love that. >> The only the only Yeah. The only [sighs] >> And this is not a criticism, Sean. I love you. You know, it is. It's just that you say cough and coughing. You say cough in the setup. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah.
5:30But the cough Oh, right. Cough drop. Well, the guy >> time you say it's just >> throat lozenes. Maybe that's >> I don't know. Listen, let's let's open up a a suggestion line for peeps if they want to do like a punchup line on smart [laughter] >> and they can punch up our jokes. >> We got a table together.
5:47>> Punchup line, please hold. Punchup line, please hold. >> Tell you who doesn't need a punchup. >> Here we go. >> Here we go. This is >> I can tell you it's a female. I heard whispering earlier. She sounds like she's got a pretty whisper voice. >> Okay. Well, aren't you going to be surprised? And uh he's going to get a great chuckle out of this.
6:03[laughter] cuz he's he's an Academy Award-winning actor, Academy nominated director JB. He has made >> some great films and I don't use that term lightly. >> He is he's done iconic roles >> and I'm going to go backwards on the on the >> I'm going to go backwards on I'm not going to lead with some of his most famous roles because you're just going to know immediately because he's just done some of the most iconic films of all time.
Introducing Tim Robbins
6:32But I'm gonna say things like Jacob's ladder, the incredible Bulldurham. I'm gonna say the player is the river. Guys, it's Tim Robbins. >> Tim. >> Oh my god. Tim Robins. >> Welcome Tim Robbins. >> This is really exciting. >> So who who who was the female whisperer? >> Was there >> Uhhuh. >> She's just off camera.
6:52Oh, she's just off camera. >> No, it's it's basically someone because I'm an idiot with technology. someone that they sent you and me both Apple to help me set up the the microphone. >> Us granddads have [clears throat] trouble with it. Do you do you have a you have a you have a smartphone, don't you?
7:10You're not still using like a flip phone, are you? >> Uh no rotary. >> Oh, no. Cable, [laughter] >> right? God, you carry that with you everywhere you go. That's >> Yeah, I know. It's And you have to find there's fewer and fewer places to plug in, you [laughter] know. >> Yeah. Uh Tim, man, I feel like it's so overdue having you here.
7:29First of all, let me just say that. >> Thank you. >> It is so overdue. It's great to have you, man. It's great to see you. Big >> fan of yours. >> Um yeah. Where JB says, "Where are you?" What part of the world are you in? East, West Coast. >> Uh West Coast right now. >> West Coast. >> Oh, in Los Angeles.
7:45>> Um yes. >> Don't give him an address. Don't careful. Tim, don't tell him where. >> I can't give you my quadrant. No, >> his dungeon Dungeons and Dragons uh set up with those. >> He's going to show up with his golden dye. >> Yeah. >> And he's [laughter] going to ask you to roll. >> Roll for damage.
8:03>> Knock on the door. Are we doing a barbecue? >> Yeah. Have you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, Tim? >> You know, that's what I missed. I I was more, you know, that kind of long form nerdy kind of game. Mine was uh Stratamatic Baseball. >> Oo, tell me about that. You're talking to a baseball um >> I didn't play but I kn I I'm aware of it.
Stratomatic Baseball and Sports
8:23Tell tell us a little bit about it. >> Really cool. Uh you know it's a long long game but you know you play nine innings and you pick your teams and you know basically there's a roll of the dice and a and a multi-sided dice die that uh um determines whether it's a hit or you know a strikeout or a grand sl you know whatever.
8:44It's it's it's very complicated. >> Do you pick real players? You say you pick your teams. Yeah, we pick real players. Yeah, I haven't played for a while. Um, back in the day when, uh, Cal Ripken was on his long streak. >> Sure. >> You know, his I don't think anyone's got ever going to break that record of >> um, consecutive times played without missing a game.
9:04Um, we kept Cal out of the game or something. >> We kept Cal out of Kep. Yeah, we kept him out just to spite him. Yeah. >> Yeah. Just to spite him. [laughter] >> It was Cal. Cal won't play. >> Philly was in there. >> We ended the streak. >> Yeah. Um, what about f What about fantasy baseball? Do you play that at all?
9:21>> I don't. No. >> Cool it, JB. >> Sorry. >> Are you a fantasy guy? >> Yeah, he's up at 4:00 a.m. >> I am. I'm like the I'm the commissioner of my league. It's um really It's my Dungeons and Dragons dork. Uh stuff. >> Can you be bought? >> I sure everybody's got their price. Anybody Everybody on my team's up for sale [laughter] >> except the Dodgers.
9:40Wait, so Tim, were you are so you I I I'm gathering by the fact that you played that that you were a lifelong baseball fan and I I mentioned uh Bulldur, which I saw in the theater twice. I loved that movie. I know it was a million years ago. It's an iconic movie. It's one of the great sports movies and it's not just about sports.
9:58It's about so much more and about uh so when you >> I guess you were a big baseball fan. So when you got the chance to play and that character you played, what was his name? Nuke. Was that his name? >> Yeah. Ebie Calvin. Nucleouch. >> Yeah. I mean, were you [laughter] was that a role when that came your way?
Bull Durham Audition Story
10:16Were you do you remember the process of getting that? Were you stoked to get that to play that part? >> Oh, are you kidding me? You know what the weird thing was that I got cast in another baseball movie the same time, Eight Men Out, that John Sales was directing. >> And um I love John Sales. It was, you know, I had to make a decision.
10:32And I'm glad I made the one I did because it kind of shifted everything for me uh in life. Um, I was so psyched. I mean, I had I did I did the audition section and then I got the my my call uh call back was uh basically you got to come play some baseball throw throw the ball with Kevin Cosner, right?
10:55And so, >> wow. >> They wanted to see if I could throw. >> Um, he didn't want to have to fake any of that stuff. >> Could you? So, I had played all my life and uh I was mostly third base and so I had a pretty good arm, but I didn't know the mechanics of the pitching. So, I had to go, you know, earlier and try to, you know, put that together.
11:15>> Did you end up becoming a a fairly decent pitcher? Like, did you learn a couple of pitches? >> I I I did. I got it up to I got it up to 85. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> No control at all. No control at [laughter] all. And you know, I threw it into the stand when he hits the bull, you know, that that's that was, you know, basically me.
11:30But I could I I could [laughter] I could throw it pretty fast. >> H. And how were you as a hitter? >> Pretty good. >> Could Could you get around on an 85 mph pitch? >> No way. No. No. Oh, no. No. I didn't play uh I I grew up in Manhattan, >> so we didn't have [laughter] a lot of >> We didn't have a lot of baseball fields, >> right?
11:50You had show leagues. >> Yeah. We had concrete playgrounds, so we played softball. >> Gotcha. >> And so um mostly softball. And um so I I could hit a softball. I could hit very well, but And I still, you know, I still play a little bit. Uh >> do you really? >> Yeah. I I play uh first base now, you know?
12:11>> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz it's the [laughter] easy. >> Tell us about that. Is that just your buddies? Is that like a Is it a Is it a show league? Is it um how you doing that? >> Usually just friends, you know, get together. There's some regular leagues. When I'm on the east coast, there's a game I I I get involved in.
12:27Um, it's I I I play hockey that way, too. I roller hockey. >> Oh my god. We can get >> I have a game every Sunday out here that I'm missing for >> Well, you play You're playing roller hockey, Tim. >> Roller I used to play ice. I I haven't played ice for a while, but I play roller hockey every Sunday.
Roller Hockey and Goalies
12:44>> Tim, I used to play I used to play on the Upper West Side for your I played ice hockey. And then when I moved to New York, I used to play up on 84th Street and there's a school between Amsterdam and Columbus and they paved it and then for some reason it wasn't open for like 6 months and all these Canadian guys that I knew and a bunch of American guys.
13:02We played every we played all day Saturday and Sunday like right when Rollerblades came out like 9192. >> So nice. >> And we and and I lived I lived by the Holland Tunnel and I would skate up town with my stick all the way up to the upper west side. It was the best threw cars and >> um you know Tim Scotty my husband was a goalie in an adult ice hockey league in New York uh place at a place called Sky Rink and he played you guys.
13:25>> Sure. >> No way. >> Yeah. In the '9s. [laughter] Scotty's team played your team and he said uh he said he took a beast of a shot. You took heed through the you took a shot on him. It was great but he blocked it. >> Is that wild? What a small Scotty Scotty the Civ. Do you remember Scotty the Civ? >> Scotty the Civ.
13:44[laughter] Isn't that wild? What a small world. >> Wow. >> That's crazy. >> That's I remember Scott. >> Goldies are a special breed, by the way. >> They sure are. There's Will. >> I used to be a goal. I used to be a goalie. I was a goalie growing up. >> Really? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Wouldn't you agree there's something different about them?
14:02The kind of weird. It >> It's like the catcher in baseball. It's usually the brains of the bunch. And uh >> Well, there's always that thing they always say that goalies are the best skaters on the team because they have to be really nimble. I don't know if that's necessarily true, but I think that goalies, you know, they they're spending a lot of time, think about it, even in soccer too, they spend a lot of time on their own and then all of a sudden they got to kind of perform.
14:23They they kind of >> they're the king of their own little domain, you know what I mean? So, they have to have a certain temperament. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> What about injury? Are you Are you Are you worried about injury? I I'm worried anytime I get active uh like you're going to blow out a hamstring or a lower back.
14:38I mean, you know, we're not 25 anymore. >> Yeah. But well, were you ever like that before or is it age that's telling you that or bringing that fear? >> You're you're sneak JB's sneak not sneaky. He's very athletic. I will say I've seen him hit a softball out of the park and he's and he's a heck of a golfer.
14:54>> Um but he does pull he'll pull a muscle now, you know, pulling Greek yogurt out of the fridge. So [laughter] >> yeah, [gasps] >> you know, it starts to wear on you after a while. But anyway, um >> no, I I I I don't worry about it. I don't worry about it. I I I have injured myself and it just means you have to sit for a while, you know.
15:13And >> but you're you're not legging out ground balls, are you? >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I [snorts] went I went the last time I I played Chelsea Piers of Sorry. Go ahead, Tim. >> No, I was going to say uh yeah, I leg them out as fast as I can, but I'm not I'm not, you know, going to tear a muscle for it.
15:32Have you guys ever tried to not say when when when you're talking uh over each other and someone says go ahead. Have you ever tried not to say oh yeah know I was just going to say >> you can't you can't you can't do it. >> Not Yeah. You can't do it. >> If somebody if somebody says go ahead you you you don't just go ahead.
15:50It's always Yeah. Yeah. No. I was just going to say you can't I'm telling you [laughter] try try to do a week without that. You can't do it. >> It doesn't work with an edit either. Like if they edit out the interruption. Yeah. Right. >> It doesn't work with the edit. You know, I've I've been curious about this.
16:06You know, I've listened to this show and I love it. And um >> has it ever gone wrong? >> Is like like like when you it like the surprise guest is actually someone that's the one of the other two hate or has had [laughter] a bad relationship with or a funny or >> some kind of You don't have to say [laughter] names.
16:29Don't have to say names. >> Well, I tell you what, Tim, it's funny you ask because I got I got not in trouble, but I about six months ago, guys, I was doing I did this guy's podcast in the UK, this really funny dude, Romesh. He's hilarious dude. And I mentioned that a couple of that we had had a couple of guests that didn't go so great.
16:47And everybody I knew asked you guys, right, and asked me who I was. I I didn't say who. Uh, but we had a couple that that um didn't go so so [ __ ] hot. Give give us the names now. Will [laughter] >> just us >> but we have had Yeah. And you have as you know I mean it's we all we all kind of are in we do the same we work with a lot of people and we know a lot of people and we know and there's a lot of crossover and there are certainly times where you have people who there hurt feel or whatever and
Guest Selection and Surprises
17:19there are times where you have people on who you're like yeah I got history with this person [laughter] >> but it's never but it's never gone wrong like the reason the episodes have not aired is not because there was anything contentious or something like that it's more just like h that was sort of like not really a flowing interview and probably and just just to protect the guest mostly.
17:35It's like they don't need that out there, you know, where they were sort of tight or we were tight and it's just not an entertaining thing. And so we just we scrap it. We do we do so many things. And we also I um sorry I was uh demanding to say that um [laughter] that [laughter] that we always once we get on I think that you guys chime in too that we want I always want it to go well.
18:04Like I want it to go I'm always rooting for the person no matter who it is. I want it to be good. >> Yeah. Always is. >> Yeah. I I just was I was curious about like like two of you don't know who the next guest is going to be. >> Correct. >> So what if like you had an affair with somebody >> that was that was previously undisclosed >> and it and it ended poorly.
18:27>> Guess what? We're way too close. We we know each other's dead bodies and and everything. So when there is somebody that that we know the other person has mentioned before as maybe not being their favorite person, we will sort of break our little rule and say, "Hey man, I was thinking about having such and such on.
18:46Are you are you guys good?" >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. You know, >> I'm going to tell you when, but yeah. Yeah. >> We don't say when. And we and we and people do ask, we legit the other two legit don't know who the other per who the guest is going to be on that day. So there is, as JB says, there might be like down the road like as you're like, "Hey."
19:02But we never let him. >> I like that element of surprise about it. I think that's a good thing. >> Well, what's funny is, and we we know this is the audience knows who's on because we advertise who the upcoming guest is. So >> So we're the only two idiots. >> It's just for us, I guess. >> It's just to save the homework, >> right?
19:20>> And we will be right back. >> And now back to the show. Tim. So, let's So, I mentioned Bill Dur. You auditioned for that and um talk a little bit about So, you grew up you I mean you your your parents were musicians, right? You grew up in the city. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And your folks were musicians and so when when did you know that you well weren't going to go in the family business necessarily be a mu musician and that you were going to go and but but you were going to perform uh you
19:54know as an actor. I probably got the bug from watching my dad on stage uh with his group, the High Women. Uh he was a folk musician and um I remember specifically not very clearly but but but uh responding the audience responding to him saying something and laughing. I felt that was like >> the entry point.
20:16That that was the that was the moment uh my three-year-old or four-year-old self was like I want that. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> And [clears throat] uh so he became uh you know he he he went out on the road till 1965 with them and uh they they made several albums together. Um I had the music bug though too as well.
20:42Um, acting I I started in in grade school, but um, music I I also had and I actually um I'm glad you bring that up because uh I've been working the past couple weeks on some mixes of um some concerts I've done. Uh, I I have a band called the Rogues Gallery Band. >> Wow. >> Really? >> And um and we um occasionally will perform live.
21:12We've done tours of Europe and um the United States and we recorded several of those shows. Uh so I'm mixing a couple of them right now. Um I'm opening a kind of new website um performance kind of platform where >> What's the What's the website? >> Uh it it's uh timrobins.com. >> Okay. >> And it'll [clears throat] be How did you come up with the name?
21:37I I I I I [laughter] fed it through an AI computer to tell me what would be the best >> Sure. >> best uh best available. >> What do you do? You play guitar and sing or or you uh uh >> I play guitar and sing and I write the so some of most of the songs we do some covers but usually covers that are >> you know really not well-known songs.
22:01>> Uh the Rogues Gallery started as a um a band by uh by put together by Hal Wilner. Um, and it was, uh, originally the albums they made were about sea shanties, um, with, you know, all kinds of different guests, uh, guest artists. And Hal, uh, was, you know, such a genius and, um, one of the angels in my life, uh, you know, he used to work at Saturday Night Live and >> Yeah, I was going to say hell, right?
22:33>> Yeah. Not well, but I knew him a little bit. Yeah. >> Yeah. And so, um, uh, I'm on this new, uh, site. I I don't want to call it a website because it's sort of like >> it's a destination. It's an experience. >> Yeah. Whatever. It's It's [laughter] my >> portal. It's a portal, >> basically. It's my way of like [laughter] my portal.
22:54That's called portal. Portal. >> Tim Robbins. Portal. Um, I [laughter] I I uh have a storage unit that uh I have so much stuff in and um [laughter] I want to get rid of and um that's what they're for. So, I was looking through some boxes in there and I found some old videotapes of uh I used to mess around on sets with old school video camera.
23:22You know, the ones where you could load the entire video cassette in. >> Yeah. Yeah. The VHS thing. >> Sure. You'd shoot like behind the scenes stuff of projects you were on. >> Yeah. But it would be more like stories that I was making up, right? Like so I have one from Howard the Duck. >> Uh yeah. And so I made up a story about, you know, um what was this intrigue that was happening on the set of Howard the Duck.
23:49>> And uh this I did two with Howard the Duck. did one that was um uh about this actor that goes to set and everybody hates and the the other was about the this place called Kitty Land that we were filming at and it was this location we kept going back to because there was always a shot that they needed and so you thought you were finished with Kitty Land and and it would not it would not end.
24:14[laughter] I I was on that movie for six months. Um, it was supposed to be three and the last six weeks of it were the ultral light sequence which is like maybe five minutes in the film. >> So, so it was pretty extraordinary. So, I was going a little crazy >> and so I had this video camera and I had friendships with the crew members and we would, you know, just make [ __ ] up.
24:36And >> so, you sat there and you were you were watching this video uh after going through your your storage unit and like >> Yeah. So, I said I want to put that out there. I want this is this I think people would like this. I also have all these interviews with people like you know uh Johnny Cash and Kurt Vonagget and wow >> uh Harry Bellfonte and I I you know I've never released them.
24:59>> Wow. >> Did you did you remember these or did they just come back to you as you were going through the storage unit and you started seeing all these tapes? Did you sit down and have like a weekend of of going down memory lane? That must have been really kind of uh powerful. those those journeys can be powerful and dangerous too, right?
25:15[laughter] >> Get lost in that stuff and what it means and what did I what was I thinking and so you have to give a listen and uh make sure that you weren't an idiot at the time that you were doing this. Um but I think there's some good stuff here and and the people that have been working with me are, you know, they're the ones kind of driving.
25:36They were like, why aren't you doing anything with this stuff? So these are up on timrobins.com or you're in the process of doing that? >> No, it's it won't be up till September 1st. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, >> but that's like a visual. You know, people say, you know, you know, you should write write a book, you know, but like this sounds like a kind of like a visual.
25:53>> I mean, it's really >> multia.com is a multimedia experience. >> It's a [laughter] portal. >> Exactly. It's a portal. >> Thank you guys. This is my marketing team. All right. What else can we call it? I've got this thing called Robins Radio, which is going to be my on my live shows, my father's show, my father's albums, and my brother who is a film composer, his scores, and it'll be, you know, kind of on a kind of random play.
26:22>> Yeah. >> Continuous when you come to the website. >> Dude, that's cool. >> Yeah, I'm excited by it. It It is like a It is like a a living archive. Um there's um but it's also just it's also just been a lot of fun to do. It's it's and at the same time I am actually writing a memoir. So it's it's all just coalescing and I'm trying to find stuff that might be interesting.
26:48>> Do you have a name for the memoir yet? >> No, I don't. >> Say Tim Robbins.com. >> No Tim Robbins. Tim Robbins.com on paper. >> Yeah. [laughter] Now, Tim, Tim, Tim, you used music in I was just thinking about Sorry, uh, Sean, I was >> Life and Times of Timrobins.com. [laughter] >> Yo, that's good. [clears throat] >> Oh, that's really good.
27:10>> And it'll drive people to the website. They'll buy the book and the website's right there on the cover. >> By the way, you open the book and it's just a it's just a hyperlink to the website. [laughter] >> It's a QR code. >> QR code. >> It's one page. >> Oh my god, it's so good. Oh, it would be so cheap to make.
27:25The publisher would be stoked. Um, do you think uh you I was just thinking about thinking about your dad and the highway. Highway men. >> No, wait. The highway men. Wasn't that wasn't that Bob Dylan? >> No, that was No, I think you're thinking of the Johnny Cash Way Whan Jennings Highway. >> Willie Nelson might have been No, that was the That was No, this was in the early 60s.
27:47>> Okay. >> Um before your time. >> Sure. >> Um it was uh Yeah. 1960 to 65 were were their years. >> Yeah. But you took you took I was thinking about the I think the first film you directed was Bob Roberts, right? Am I right in that? And that was that was about a guy, which is a great movie, about a guy who who he's like a right-wing politician, but he uses folk music to kind of sell what he's doing.
28:14And and it was like a confluence of this guy kind of used media and personality and and if in a lot of ways it was very sort of precient if you if you think about it of considering where we are these days, unfortunately. >> I mean, it was a little Yeah. [laughter] I [gasps] mean, it's pretty. Can you do you ever think have you thought back on that over these last years and gone like wow we were we kind of predicted the way politics might go in terms of the celebrity aspect of it.
28:44>> Yeah. You know it's Yes. It's weird. Uh but it also I was looking you know going through all this stuff uh uh realizing that at the time when I was doing press for it I was also in some of the interviews I I was they were saying is this you know is this because the coming election was George Bush senior versus Clinton when it came out and so the press was asking you know this is this movie about Bush and I said well yeah he's actually in the film.
29:16You know, there's, you know, there's clips of him in the film, >> but it also could be about, you know, the Gore Vidal character, too. You know, the it could be about what why change doesn't happen. And so, the when Bill Clinton was playing his saxophone on our Saniel Hall, I was like, that's kind of Bob Robertsy, too.
29:38>> Um, yeah. >> So, I I at the time I said, you know, it could be either. I don't know. I don't I really don't know. Um, so as time has gone on, it's become kind of, you know, very preient as far as the current administration, but um, I personally am not a happy guy with either. I I I got to say it's there they got to be better ideas and better, you know, better motivation for people to to vote for Democrats.
30:08They have to get their stuff together. They really do. >> Yeah. I think there's there's a lot of shortcomings uh to no no shortage of shortcomings. Uh >> I've learned at 65, you know what I did is I I I realized I have to retire from something, right? >> And I didn't I didn't want to stop acting. I didn't want to stop directing or writing.
30:30>> So what I retired from was was the anxiety the daily anxiety of opposing something. >> Oh, that's good. Um the idea that you you can find your worth and purpose and virtue by hatred is this terrible terrible idea. >> And the um the idea that you if the source of your hatred is a particular person you don't know, it's even a worse idea.
30:58You're you're you're battling a concept or an idea or a philosophy. You're not dealing with an individual, >> right? And so uh there's so I feel like there's too many people that wake up agitated about uh political figures >> and then they use that as a fuel to get through the day on either side and and it's not a good way to start your day.
31:21If you're the first thing you're doing is doom scrolling about something that will make you feel better about your political beliefs. You know, you might try a little yoga or you might try a little exercise or take a bike ride or >> totally because I I always say that I have this discussion with Scotty all the time.
31:37You can watch it all day long on TV or read about it online or whatever, but there's nothing you can do about it necessarily. You we have the power to vote. >> Yeah. >> Uh and we have the power to protest, >> but to actually, you know, my friend Maria Shrivever, she she always one of the greatest quotes ever.
31:52She's if and if anybody's complaining about any of it, she goes, "I totally agree. So, what are you doing about it? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And it stops people in their tracks. >> Well, here's the thing. This is what I this is what I learned was that that what are you doing about it? Well, >> about 15 years ago, I had that epiphany of like, what are you doing about it?
32:13And um >> I I started working in in spaces where I could make a difference. >> So, uh my with my nonprofit with the actors gang. So I put a lot of uh attention into how can I expand the programs that we have, the education programs in that we go into into schools that do not have theater programs and and we introduce them to theater.
32:34Uh the prison project that we have uh that goes into uh California state prisons. >> Wait, what is that? It's it's a rehabilitation program that we've been doing for 20 years now >> through like theatric like theater and acting and stuff like that. >> It's it's basically I made a documentary about it actually.
32:55>> I know that's why I asked. I feel like I saw >> called 45 seconds of laughter and it will be coming uh >> um to Criterion in November. >> Oh, then I saw something else. >> Yeah. Um you may have seen it. We've screened it around. It went to the Venice Film Festival and to New York Film Festival. No, what we do is we don't go in as as some groups do, and I think that's valid, too.
33:16But we don't go in to do a a production. We don't, you know, >> try to make a production. >> What we do is we do a uh a 7-day intensive workshop to train them, which is basically in >> this four states of emotion that we have. And we introduce these states of emotion, but first we introduce the characters they will be playing them in.
33:41So we create a distance between their expression of emotion and their personal story. So we we we use the comedia delerte. So you have the rich old man who wants to marry off his beautiful daughter who's in love with a young man. He wants to marry her off to some one of his business associates. It's a it's a tale as old as the time.
34:01It's it's it's done in every culture. Uh it's told in every to in every culture. I saw it in Bali Bali uh in a in a town square. Um so it but the reason is it keeps the characters simple and you know stock kind of characters and then we try to get them to genuinely portray emotions through these characters and wow >> um so what happens is they get in touch with emotions that they have >> kept dormant or suppressed for many many years.
34:33Survival in prison is one emotion. It's anger. It's about keeping safe on the yard. You have to project an image of anger. And so when they start playing these other emotions, some of them tell us that they haven't been, you know, allowed to be sad or in fear or happy for years. And so it allows them this place.
34:56The other great thing about it is when we set uh a program up, we we ask the prison to give us um people from different sections like it has to be integrated with different gangs, different you know so they're all in the same room and uh what we h what we find out happening is this bond that happens in the room between them when they're sharing emotions together and and looking in each other's eyes and and realizing that they have a lot more in common than they >> I And imagine if we could do that for
35:28people who aren't in prison. >> I mean, just [laughter] >> that's what set me on this path of like if I can, if these guys can do it, we can do it. You know, we can't we don't we have created our own yard where you you have segmented populations that stick together. >> Mhm. >> And if if anyone crosses over the line, it's at their own, you know, detriment.
35:53>> Right. And that's that's the way it is now in our society. If you c if you if you say anything that might be >> uh sympathetic to what you view as the other side. >> Yeah. >> You're done. You're out. >> You're done. You're condemned. You're you're you're And it's listen, it's a terrible way to build a movement.
36:12Let's just put that put it that way. When a when a good organizer walks into a room to organize a a movement, >> they have the main objective is to find out what all these different people have in common, >> right? >> There's going to be they have to walk in knowing they're they're not all going to agree with them.
36:32So, what can we agree on? >> Right? >> It seems like the opposite now. It seems like in order to get to save your position in a in a certain community, you have to act in a certain way. And if you act outside of that, then you're kicked out of the community. >> That's right. >> And that's on both sides, by the way.
36:54That's not a that's not a partisan thing. That that's something that happens on both sides. And that's not a that's not a good way to build a movement. >> I totally agree. basically you're making people you're saying you have to agree with me or you're you're you're done and then so people learn very quickly oh well I shouldn't talk I shouldn't say anything I I won't say anything I I even though I don't agree with what they're saying I not going to say it >> and so that's not an alliance that's
37:23fear that's that's causing that so right >> we'll be right back and back to the show. >> Tim, did you get involved with the prison stuff when you when you did uh cuz I was thinking about Dead Man Walking, which was your second film, which is so different from Bob Roberts uh in every way. Uh is that when you first started getting involved with that or becoming really aware of of that?
37:50>> I was kind of aware of it growing up. I had friends that went to jail. So, uh, it wasn't it was it was one of those, you know, there but for the grace of God go I, you know, I had maybe different parents or different >> upbringing that that kept me away from that. But, um, and then I did uh some work with some prison organizations back in New York when I first, you know, after Bill Durham.
38:15But, uh, then I did Shaw Shank and then then Deman Walking. So I >> but >> so I was around that space uh more and more and one of the things I you know one of the prison guards on Shaw Shank said to me was um you know uh I I asked what would you do to change things if you could you know and these are salt of the earth Republican conservative Ohio kind of prison guards and um the guy said you know you got to legalize is drugs.
38:51Cuz what we have is we have people coming in for possession for a year and they're winding up becoming better criminals. It's b basically they call it crime school. >> The prison guards were were calling it crime school. And so it basically they said, you know, there's no GED programs, no job training.
39:12>> Uh that those are year waiting lists. So >> these kids come in and they have to survive in a with violent offenders and they basically are training criminals. So you got to either either legalize it or create a separate prison. That's >> And did they uh since then they there has been movement there, right?
39:29They certainly legalized marijuana uh to a large extent. Yes. >> Yes. I don't know if in it's that way in Ohio. U >> Yeah. I made a I made a far inferior prison film called Let's Go to Prison. Tim, if you ever get a free afternoon. [laughter] >> Yeah. And by the way, I Tim, I love that you just rattled off those movies that are so iconic.
39:57Your friends that were in prison must have watched you and Shashank be like, "Wait, how did he break out that? I got to take some of that. [laughter] I got to figure that out." >> Dude, people people must still stop you on the street about Shashank. is one of the iconic. I mean, it's always at the top of people's list when people go like, "What's your favorite movie?"
40:14Shushing's always there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a real That's a real beautiful thing. >> Bull Durham, not not right next to it. >> Yeah. >> I was going to say I I was going to ask you what today you get stopped for mostly when you go to the store where you're out in public. I was going to guess Shaw Shank Redemption or Bulldorm, but then I was like, but Silo, which I watch and you're [ __ ] brilliant on, >> which by the way, season 3 is coming.
40:36I know. I can't wait. Tim, when you showed up on I had no idea you were in that and I because it's we're sci-fi nerds, right? Dungeons and Dragons. I'm anything sci-fi and I watched I was just like your performance is just incredible in that. I >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I really love the show. Do people stop you now?
40:55Like nerdy kind of. >> Yeah. Yes. Nerdy and others too. Yeah. It's it's a lot of people are seeing it. It's really nice. It's really nice and it's such a good show. Uh Rebecca Ferguson is a great actor. >> She's amazing on it. >> So good. >> I, you know, I've had a blast on it. >> Um you know, I was shooting over, we were shooting over in London, so um it was, you know, real human experience.
41:22Let's put it that way. >> Yeah. >> Uh 10-hour days, you know, never never going over because there's never any weather, you know, it's always in the silo. [laughter] Everything is in the silo, >> right? So, right. >> Uh, you know, it was and I, um, I actually now can talk because this is airing in mid August.
41:42I, I've been under like kind of a gag order, shut the hell up kind of thing about the show [clears throat] >> because I wasn't supposed to be in season 3. >> Oh. Uhhuh. >> It's funny. Sean just ordered a gag, but that's a different [laughter] >> Okay. >> Also coming in August. >> Also coming. >> I can't wait.
42:03>> They're back [laughter] ordered. Did you get the ball option too, Sean? >> Yeah, of course I did. And I paid extra to get it here sooner, but >> does that come in Hello Kitty style? [laughter] >> Of course. And Dora the Explorer. Uh >> um what what happened? What was the guy? What was the >> Well, I just want to say a little bit more about Silo that that that um we we would you know that the thing about [clears throat] human is that it allows the crew to have lives, right?
42:30If you're working 10-hour days on rolling lunches and everyone knows they're going to get home for dinner with their kids. >> Yeah. >> It creates a happy crew. >> Absolutely. >> You you get people that, you know, the younger people, they have time for a date, you know. It it's not driving you into the ground, you know, and um I really I I was really inspired by that, you know.
42:57That's Graham Yos, the the executive producer. That's his achievement that he created a great group of people and he created an environment that wasn't oppressive that you know we we tend to take for granted now you know we just know oh it's we're going to go 12 14 you know 16 to get the day you know and I've done it as an actor and as a director and I never stopped to think really until I worked with Clint Eastwood when we had like sixhour days sevenhour days [clears throat]
43:29>> like Sometime most of the time we were out by lunch. >> Wow. Cuz he would only do one take on everything. >> Wow. >> But it created a discipline and a more family. It it created um this idea that we used to have I think in the business of this can be really fun. >> Yeah. >> Uh what about directing, Tim?
43:48Do we get to see uh some more of your great directing anytime soon? >> Well, as a matter of fact, yes. Um, I'm working on what that is, uh, on the long term. >> Yeah. >> I've got I'm writing a couple scripts right now. >> Um, which I'm kind of reluctant to jinx, right? >> Yeah. Sure. Yeah. But, uh, >> I'd love to I'd love to see you write one that you star in and direct about about somebody doing what you were talking about earlier about, you know, figuring how to not be so sort of tribal
44:21with uh with with their with their with their beliefs and practices and passions and things like that and trying to be more sort of inclusive and uh you you're the kind of guy that could handle something as as um you know, kind of nuanced and delicate as that. >> Well, thank you. Hey, where's the conflict?
44:38>> We need that story. >> Where's the conflict? >> Well, there could be a bag of money and a gun, you know? I mean, [laughter] yeah. >> Perfect. We got it. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. I remember Tim, I don't know if you remember this. We probably don't, but everybody asks, "How did you meet J, Sean, and Will, how did you guys all meet?"
44:56We met playing poker. I mean, we kind of knew each other before that, but we really started hanging out when we were playing poker. I was like 27, 28, 29. And you would come over and play poker too sometimes with us >> at Cage's house. >> Kyle. Yeah. Kyle Gas. >> Yes. >> That was so wild for me who just got off the boat from Chicago.
45:14I'd be like, I'm playing poker with Tim Rob. I was told all my friends. It was so cool. I I just loved it. It was so wild for me. But you probably don't remember. >> I do remember those games. Yes. Absolutely. But there's there was an element at cages that, you know. >> Oh, sure. >> Yeah. Would lead one to forget.
45:34>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] You'd have to crack a window every once in a while. >> This this dude for the for the listeners should know that this dude had a in his living room was dominated by a custommade 12man poker table, >> right? >> And and he was the bank as well, which uh >> served as a kitchen table, the kitchen counter, the dining room.
45:51>> Sean, one of the first times, Sean, one of the first times that you came, Sean came in and I think you went all in on like three of your first five hands and and you took about and then you were like, "Oh my god, it's so late." Remember it was Tuesday nights. It was often too they were like, "It's Tuesday night."
46:04He'd be like, "Oh, I got to go." And everybody's like, "You're not going anywhere." >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Right. I'm like, "Oh, okay. Dumbass." Like, "Great. They want me to stay." >> I had a running uh Friday night poker game on Silo. >> And really, and Common was the, you know, he was the He was that guy that walks in and goes, "I've never played this before."
46:24Uh >> oh. >> And all of a sudden, and I and by the way, I don't He wasn't bullshitting. He hadn't, >> you know, he'd be and of course the cards are going to drop on him. >> Yeah. >> And he would win every almost every time. >> It was. >> Now, were you playing uh were you playing Texas Holde or or Dealer's Choice?
46:44>> Texas Holdem. >> Yeah. >> God, remember those games? >> Will, how do you remember Tuesdays? Like it was Tuesday because I know that I thought about the same thing as soon as he said that. >> It was so There were a couple people who came in who had first night luck, too. Rtor did. uh Andy Richtor did one time and then I remember remember 80 miles came in and did the same thing and uh yeah I don't know Tuesday night >> the commons went into second and third night and you know I won the first week
47:12hands down right and I realized I can't win every week you know I can't do this good luck >> so I kind of was an idiot the second night and that's when common won and then he he went on a string like three or four and five till Rebecca showed up in the last poker game and she won Oh, so that sounds like fun, man.
47:28First night. >> You You always shoot in London the whole the whole time. Silo. >> Silo. Yeah. Yeah. I was over there for 3 years. Really? I mean, back and forth, but a lot of time over in London uh in the past five years. >> How do you like living over there? >> I loved it. >> I love it. >> But I'm going to love anywhere I'm living right now.
47:48It's like, why not think that every place you're in is the best place in the world? >> Yeah. Right. >> Right. There's so much to do in London. There's also a lot to complain about, but I was just like, how crazy is my how great is my life that I'm being forced to live in one of the world's great cities for like almost three years.
48:10>> Will Will doesn't like it much. Will's not a big >> I [laughter] love I love I love London. I want to ask I I was just thinking about this before we let you go, Tim, and JB kind of for you too a little bit. Um because I remember we were working on my thing with Bradley. I would ask like you guys as actors who are also directors have such a luxury of working with directors and really good directors.
48:35Um and and we get to do that as actors but also then to have to do that as directors. You get to observe and and have that experience with a lot of great directors. How did [clears throat] how did working with directors as an actor then influence you as a director? It must have, right? >> Absolutely.
48:55You get it. You Yeah. And you know it. So you know what they're going through. You know what uh their process is. One thing I've also understood is the actor will give you the truth. they will they if you're directing someone and you go in with an idea that you know how the scene should be played, that's a bad idea because because you're you're cheating yourself from two really good artists that aren't going to interpret something.
49:23And often times when they can't say a line or they keep messing up a line, it means the line needs to be changed. It it it it it's they're they're the truth through line and the director has to modulate their performances so that it fits into what they're trying to construct. But um you know, deep respect for actors because they're going to they're going to tell you a lot and hopefully they'll tell you in a way that is not upsetting a set or something.
49:54you know, hopefully you have a good relationship and that you can find as much as you can out from them and then guide it towards what your truth is. >> Yeah, that's really well said. The tricky part sometimes is that the director is is somewhat obligated and I I would I I would say it it's sort of required that they come in with a plan such that everyone who is obligated to follow them has something to follow and there's a strategy to get the call sheet done that day and everything.
50:22But often times that plan can be at odds with like what you're saying Tim about how the actor might have a completely different idea or perspective or or interpretation of what the scene is about and how it should be played. That could be at odds with some of the the plans for the camera work and whatnot that that have been in in effect for months through prep and tech scouts and all that stuff.
50:45Um, so it's there's a there's a there's a balance to strike there that's often somewhat tense because it's the day you have to shoot it and there's not a lot of room for reinterpretation. >> Right. And that's where you that's where that's where your talent as an actor when you're comes in. >> Exactly.
51:02To try to talk them into your way. >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Do you do you guys do you guys remember good do you guys remember moments where you did uh a scene where you're directing a scene and an actor did something that so surprised you in the best way that you were like [ __ ] yeah. >> Yes. Absolutely.
51:18Like mindblowing stuff sometimes, you know? It's like no, it's like it's that moment where you go, we don't have to shoot this scene anymore. It's this is this is done. This is like that that truth has been laid down. where you don't need coverage of the other actor because this this actor is [laughter] killing it here.
51:36I'm just gonna want to watch them listen and talk. >> Yeah. >> The guy's like, "Wait, wait a second. Are you turning around?" You're like, "No, we got it. We're good. We got it." >> Oh, man. Uh Tim, we've taken up way too much of your time, man. What a pleasure, dude. >> My pleasure. It's very nice of you to come and talk to us.
51:52My pleasure. >> Yeah. And uh Silo season 3. Silo season 3 is happening. It's coming. Uh it's it's on. Is it Is that right? It's on now. All right. So, you may or may not be in it. >> Well, I now I'm in it. I wasn't in I wasn't in it till the end of July, >> right? >> And now we're somewhere in August.
52:12>> Yeah. >> And the truth has been revealed. I'm actually alive. >> And uh I I really love this show. I really stand by it 100%. >> It's a great great show. great writers, great actors, great everything, crew, everything was so beautiful about it. >> I love that at, you know, this stage of my career, I can go to a a set and really kind of fall in love again with people at the in the in that old way you'd had when you were young.
52:45You know, you walk on a set and you're like, "Oh my god, this is the best thing ever." >> I felt that about these people on Silo. I felt it. That's because it was >> so great. I love that. >> Such a great crew. >> Well, Silos season 3, uh, timrobins.com. It's a multimedia portal. We've been through that.
53:03Uh, [laughter] coming September 1st. >> Coming September 1st. >> Uh, Tim, you're just you're just a you're a you're an icon. You're the best. >> And and thanks for the inspirational words today. Some of those really really cool stuff. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Yeah. All right.
53:19Thanks, dude. Enjoy your day. Bye. Bye, buddy. The great Tim Robbins. The >> great Tim Robbins. >> The the movies he's been in. >> I know. We didn't really talk. I I did you did you guys see Arlington Road? >> Oh, wow. No, I did not. I watched a good movie. I don't think I mean I I haven't seen it in such a long time, but I remember loving that movie.
53:39He plays some like psychotic or or some It's like about a small town that turns on them or he turns on them. >> What about Jacob's Ladder? >> Wait, did you see it? It sounds like you didn't even see it. [laughter] I did and I loved it, but I have I haven't seen it in decades. It was so >> Jacob's Ladder was one of the greatest movies.
53:56[clears throat] >> I thought I have not seen it for years and years and years. I don't know if it holds up, but man, I've seen it a few times back. >> I bet you it does. >> And him and War of the Worlds. Did you see War of the Worlds with Tom Cruz and uh >> Spielberg film, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Really good.
54:08He was so good, >> dude. Uh dude, think about uh uh The Player, >> right? >> Remember how groundbreaking that was? The Player was amazing. >> What the What the [ __ ] did we just talk about for an hour? I know. Don't cover any of this [ __ ] >> Sorry. I know. >> Drive that [ __ ] interview. >> No, but he was he was he was teaching us stuff about life, man.
54:26>> Yeah. Just open up your mind, Sean. >> I know. I love that we're talking. >> Who are you mad at? Be [laughter] >> Yeah. We're I love that we fan out after he leaves. >> I know. I know. [laughter] >> Well, we did it. >> We get shy. >> I know. We get shy. >> I know. [clears throat] Cuz I'm like I'm like Shank Redemption, right?
54:41Like [laughter] >> I've seen that movie a hundred thousand times. God, is that so good. >> And Dead Man Walking. What a what a director. >> By the way, Dead Man Walking [clears throat] is >> I think Sean Penn won the Oscar for that, didn't he? He did. Yeah. >> I remember when my dog had cancer and I was talking taking for his last walk around before we put him down.
55:00I said to his face, I said, "It's dead dog walking." >> Felt so bad. >> And he and he laughed. He laughed and he laughed. >> Oh, he laughed. >> In that way, in that way he used to laugh. >> Oh, the laughter. [laughter] >> A poor little Buzzy. Remember Buzzy? Um, >> and he was also in, you know, I was thinking about the other film that he was >> Here it comes.
55:20Here it comes. Well, [laughter] I >> you could always hear when the the little turn off the highway. Where? Let's get to the offramp. Willie, >> what's the name of the offramp today? [laughter] >> It's so sweaty. >> What is it? Yeah. And do you remember that one film? Um, >> yeah. What's this one? >> He had a great He had a great part of that movie.
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