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Dan Richards, a self-described interested amateur, discusses elongated and modified skulls, Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA, polydactyly, alleged suppressed archaeological findings, and his disputes with mainstream archaeologists. He argues that artificial cranial deformation and interbreeding with archaic humans explain many oddities, and that mainstream archaeology and museums are hiding evidence, though many claims are speculative and presented without strong sourcing.
- Richards argues that artificially elongated skulls were common in the Pacific Northwest, where he says a chief's skull was a sign of nobility and freedom, citing the Smithsonian pamphlet 'Chinook Sign of Freedom'.
- He links Chiari malformation and skull-shape problems to possible Neanderthal and Denisovan interbreeding, and suggests cranial deformation was practiced to relieve pressure on the brain.
- Richards cites a 2023 study on a gene variant linked to polydactyly and cranial deformation in Neanderthals and Denisovans, and mentions a Brazilian family with six fingers and toes.
- He claims records of giant skeletons were dismissed by 1930s anthropologist Ales Hrdlicka and a 1959 Carnegie Museum case, arguing the dismissals were motivated by racial bias.
- Richards accuses archaeologists of gatekeeping and of suppressing evidence, including redacted reports at the Gila Cliff Dwellings, disputed claims about Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon, and the disappearance of elongated skulls from museums.
- He discusses the Rockefeller purchase of Paracas mummy bundles, the trade in mummies and ancient artifacts worth about $3 billion a year, and the Baghdad Battery.
- The conversation covers his criticism of COVID-19 vaccine policy and science communication, and he promotes the Quest for Ancient Civilizations conference in Austin on October 16-18.
- 0:01Elongated Skulls from Washington
- 1:25Neanderthal Skulls and Brain Size
- 3:49Dolphin Intelligence and Animal Brutality
- 7:36Polydactyly and Denisovan Genetics
- 11:51COVID Vaccines and Science Debate
- 18:36Ancient Civilizations and Racism Claims
- 23:57Cranial Deformation and Bloodline Mixing
- 34:51Chief Concomly and Trophy Skulls
- 49:30Peruvian Skulls and Alien Speculation
- 57:15Giant Skeletons and Hrdlicka
- 1:06:32Archaeology as Science Debate
- 1:20:22Politics, Social Media and Tribalism
- 1:31:44Egyptian Mummies and Black Market
- 1:44:57Artifact Sales and Antiquities Trade
- 1:59:02Gila Cliff Dwellings and Redacted Reports
- 2:05:03UFOs, Aliens and Human Evolution
- 2:14:19Mount Coffin and Longview Pyramid
- 2:19:22Grand Canyon Caves and Kincaid Hoax
- 2:32:28Future of Humanity and Alien Speculation
- 2:39:54Dowsing and Psychological Biases
- 2:43:49Social Justice, Statistics and Oppression
- 2:47:14Conference Plugs and Closing
Elongated Skulls from Washington
0:01Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAINED BY DAY, JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. >> DANNY. >> Hey Joe, good to see you, brother. >> Good to see [music] you again, man. >> So, right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet. It It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including like diagrams.
0:27>> Yeah, but not Peruvian. These are from the Pacific Northwest. >> Oh. >> From Washington. This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you. The majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State. >> Oregon? >> Yeah. >> Now, are these manipulated skulls?
0:42>> sir. They was were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, um when Lewis and Clark reached the the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains, all of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified skulls. Look at the title of the book. It is Chinook Sign of Freedom.
0:59If you didn't have an artificially modified skull, you were a slave. >> Wow. The Chinook Sign of Free Sign of Freedom. A Study of the Skulls of the Famous Chief How do you say his name? >> Comcomly. >> Comcomly. >> And he was He was um he met with Lewis and Clark during the uh during their expedition.
1:16Um and he was as famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago. Um but he's just >> disappeared. >> Um he had an artificially elongated skull. I have a bunch of images um that talk about it. He attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull. >> Um What? >> Yeah, that he They believed >> How would you know, though?
Neanderthal Skulls and Brain Size
1:37>> They don't. >> They did it when you were a baby. >> Exactly. But they That's what they all believed. And there is actually something to This is one of the things I that's really interesting that I've stumbled on is you know, Neanderthal, if you look at um the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case is a huge difference.
1:52Like I I have an image, if you You mind, Jamie. You can throw it up there if you don't care. Um but it's all in the back. It's like there's a thing called Chiari malformation type one where you the your base your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff. And scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal braincase skull not quite fitting.
2:17>> Mhm. >> And if you think about it, actually makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, Neanderthal skull's way wide in the back. And that's where all of your your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing >> Yeah, they were more primitive. They're probably super athletes. And the the real the weird question is, like, were they smart and how smart were they?
2:36Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours, correct? Correct. And that's where all the thought processing and decision-making comes from. So, they probably had insane athletic ability. >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. And motor skills and visual ability. >> The visual ability is important because look at the size of their eye sockets.
2:57>> Now, imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds. So, you were you were breeding these two species together. >> Look at the jaw on that [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> Imagine trying to knock that guy out. [ __ ] good luck. >> Forget about it. And they don't they had chests like barrels, too. It's like they they all look like you do naturally.
3:12They don't have to lift. They just they just that way. >> They probably look a lot more impressive than me. >> Well, the guy on the left, he looked he looked like me naturally. >> [laughter] >> I mean, do you remember that one I think it's just nonsense. But, there's this one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being like gorilla-looking, like super predators.
3:34And he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night. And he had like this crazy It was very >> eating us all, yes. >> Right, right, right. Very sensationalist nonsense. >> And the genetic evidence is what you know >> Yeah, that guy. >> Yes. >> It was [ __ ] dope, though. [laughter] The idea that this seeing-the-dark, you know, like primate lives in the woods and was like infinitely stronger than us.
Dolphin Intelligence and Animal Brutality
3:54Like it just rip our arms right like gorilla strong. And but but not smart enough that you could like "Hey man, could you please just going to eat you." >> Oddly enough has a skull that has a larger capacity than us. And so then we have to think, "Okay, is it just motor skills? Like do we What do we know about the brains of dolphins?"
4:12Well, we know that their their brain capacity is quite a bit larger. Like their I think their core their their cerebral cortex I think is like 40% larger than a person's. >> Yeah, something like that. >> like that. So what is that? Like what's going on with them? Like how are they so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment so we ignore it?
4:36>> Well, that could be it. Also it could be a degree of chemistry that they can't, you know, I mean you can't do fire and underwater really. So you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff. >> There's no manipulation, right? So all of their intellect must go into other areas. >> Social and hunting.
4:50>> But then you find out how horrible they are to each other. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> You know what I mean? Like the infanticide, you know, like dolphins female dolphins are very promiscuous. And the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not. If he thinks they might be his, he's not going to kill the cubs.
5:11But if a female has cubs, the male will kill the cubs so the female will breed again. It's like, "Hey, I thought you guys were like the super peaceful [ __ ] smart ones." >> Sounds like sounds like kind of like us. >> Well, I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed again.
5:28But it gets close. >> Chimpanzees do it. >> Do they do that? >> do that kind of stuff though. >> Bears do that. >> Yeah, it's it's >> Bears do two things they think. They think one they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again, but two they think they just do it for food. Which is dark. >> That's that's Yeah, that's arachnid levels of dark, right?
5:49>> Cannibalism is dark. >> Always. >> And bears are all cannibals. And this is the thing about people in the anthropomorph- anthropomorphication, is that the word? How do you say it? Anthropomorphication. I always I want I want to say pro, but it's po, right? Anthropo- morph- >> Anthropo- morph- Yeah, I think you're right.
6:09>> Um whatever it is, people humanizing animals. The weirdest one I think is bears. And like you can train bears. There's bears in the circus. You like They're an interesting animal. But in the wild, they are some of the [ __ ] most brutal and ruthless creatures. They are It's basically almost like a giant wild dog, you know?
6:29And they tear things apart, and they eat things while they're still alive. Like they're [ __ ] [clears throat] >> They don't care. >> They don't care. They're [ __ ] horrible. They're horrible to each other. They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them. I mean I >> Yeah, just diff- different set of morality, I guess you could say, or lack thereof.
6:50But yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear, cuz I'd probably have been eaten as a cub. >> Or you would have been hit by a car. >> Or I'd have been hit by a car. >> That's the rough life. >> Or I'd have been caught in a trap and trained to be a dancing ballerina bear or some [ __ ] standing on a ball. >> The um the ancient humans, though, to me are like I feel like this is a This is a an emerging topic.
7:09Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about Homo florien- How do you say that? >> floresiensis >> Yeah, that one. >> Pronunciation on that. >> Island of Flores man, the the Hobbit people. Now that they know, okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens.
7:31And the Denisovans one is [ __ ] super weird. They're big. >> They're big. They were taller than us. >> And they're bigger heads, like very almost like Neanderthal like. >> There's some of the stuff that I got for to talk about here is um um like polydactyly multiple fingers and more than five fingers and toes on each hand.
Polydactyly and Denisovan Genetics
7:49>> Yes. >> That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant okay. >> Yes. >> Polydactyly if there's a gene g could you pull up the one that says polydactyly paper, please? Thank you. It's they've been studying this and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had that a variant of that increases polydactyly it increases um uh cranial deformations it increases a bunch of stuff.
8:12Um This is I mean they and this is and this is all newer stuff. You see that's 2023. And there's this is huge. >> I saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has like most of their family members have six fingers and six toes. >> And yeah they say it helps them. >> Of course.
8:35>> Of course. >> I can grab the ball better. I can play an extra string, right? >> Right. Play the guitar extra finger, that's nuts. >> You can even be an ugly dude and and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger. >> [snorts] >> Good luck. >> [laughter] >> Chicks don't want to have kids with a guy who has [ __ ] six fingers.
8:49Have some freak kid. >> The the the in South America they actually honored that stuff. >> Of course. >> They honored they honored genetic deformations. I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different blood lines together in South America. It's It is. >> It's got five fingers and a thumb.
9:10That's crazy. I mean the thing is they look absolutely normal in every other way except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four. Like it would take you a few seconds. It's almost like you're living in the matrix and this is like an AI glitch. You know like AI glitches they would have people that have like additional appendages.
9:28[laughter] >> Yeah. >> Like a weird elbow growing off your elbow. You know cuz it just glitched. >> The clan walks by and yeah oh yeah I >> Like >> you would take you a while before you Like, imagine if you were high and you went over this lady's house and you saw her playing piano and you're like, "Wait a minute.
9:43Why is there so many noises?" >> [laughter] >> Slow down. What is that noise? >> How do you have so many fingers? Wait a minute. You have extra fingers? Like, this dude had a special glove. He must be a [ __ ] of a goalie. >> Oh, of course. >> Right? It's the greatest hand skill for goalies. >> Yeah.
10:02Yeah, but I watch space, but sure. >> More space? You cover it up. >> But, I think >> Definitely better if you could teach him how to punch. You have a whole 'nother finger that like the width of the hands would be greater, the weight of the hands would be greater. >> Yeah, like guitar players say it's not the extra finger as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra reach that lets them >> Mhm.
10:22>> pop a couple extra frets down. >> makes sense. That makes sense. Especially like long fingers. Long >> is still made for a five-fingered player, right? So, you're Yeah, you're not >> But, you can figure out how to do it with six. Like, look what Hendrix did. He flipped it and did the same thing. Turned it upside down, played it left-handed.
10:37>> Like, there's Stevie Ray Vaughan, local hero, right? >> Right. Yeah. >> He turned that thing and sta- Yeah, you've seen the live at El Mocambo one where he he takes his like $15,000 stands on the horns, and he's rocking the neck back and forth and I'm just >> Woah. >> Pops the string, just [ __ ] picks Don't even care.
10:54Just go. >> Wow. >> a toy. It's not an instrument. It's a damn toy. It's a tool. It's a >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Anyway, >> Yeah. >> gush about that guy for a bit. I like Stevie. He's pretty good. >> We have posters of our photos of him from when he was on stage at the club way before we owned it. >> Oh, really?
11:11>> Yeah. He was on that stage in like the '80s. >> Oh, wow. >> it's the I think the picture's from '83. >> Yeah, I popped into Antone's a couple of times to just just just to smell the air. >> Yeah. [laughter] Antone's is dope. That's a great place. I've seen Gary before Gary Clark Jr. perform there a few times.
11:27It's [ __ ] sick. >> Yeah, I haven't I haven't got to watch a show there every time I'm in town it was up to no good but I'm going to catch a show there one of these nights. >> Yeah, we did it and everybody got COVID. The whole crew everyone backstage got COVID. It's one of their guys yeah one of their guys got COVID after the show it was like during the whole during the full lockdown and they had a concert I was like I can't believe we're at a concert and then we went backstage we're
COVID Vaccines and Science Debate
11:51hanging out in the green room and then everybody got COVID. >> [ __ ] I am not a fan. >> Yeah except me I didn't get it. >> That's because you know you know it's it's funny it's I was something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway so we may as well get into it now is the COVID thing. You know they weaponized scientific literacy when they said trust the science on the on the jab.
12:10That's I there's a lot of things worth talking about but the the whole war on science like I keep call I get called a science denier a lot [ __ ] that I'm a science gatekeeper you don't get to call it science if it ain't science you stop at the door. Science is a method it's a it's a way we get somewhere it's not the end result.
12:28Carl Sagan said science is more than a body of knowledge it's a way of thinking a way of skeptically interrogating the universe. The average time for a peer-review for a test on a vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it out in a year and a half you haven't followed the proper [ __ ] steps you haven't done science.
12:43I'm not a science denier I'm not I've just do it right and come back. >> Right it's not a coincidence there was so much money involved. We're not stupid we know why it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease that's ridiculous it's not true and that's why they got so mad at me.
13:02>> But it's that's where I was going to go with it your doctor they they threw your personal physicians under the bus and I don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate I can guess and say that the guy that your personal physicians probably wants to keep that job and probably doesn't want to see you croak from COVID and I mean I mean I could be wrong.
13:21But you know it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like oh they're just pushing a bunch of pseudo science [ __ ] it's like um Like >> that you could look at it that way and I you know, everyone was scared and it's not their fault that they you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety.
13:37But what was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say, "What did that guy do?" Instead of saying, "Oh my god, you're anti-science. You're promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't get vaccinated and you survived COVID and you're telling everybody how you did it. This is anti-science." But it happened.
13:57>> Instead they told you you were using a horse dewormer. >> Right. >> Well, that was completely insane. But that's just proof of propaganda. But even without that proof of propaganda, you also have this thing like if if we are all trying to get through something and you see someone who is a very public person I'm online all the time that have millions of subscribers, right?
14:15So I'm very scrutinized on my and everyone knows that I work out all the time. Everyone knows I take vitamins. I talk about it all the time. Cold plunges and [ __ ] hyperbaric chambers and all this different [ __ ] Why wouldn't they say, "Oh, apparently if you're really healthy and you do these things and for maybe whatever reason you can't get vaccinated, this works, too."
14:41There was never even a consideration, right? Even even let's assume the vaccine worked with a which didn't. Like which which assume that it prevented infection which it didn't, uh prevented transmission which which it didn't and didn't have any side effects which is certainly not true. So let's just let's pretend it did.
14:56Even then, you have people that are allergic to some of the ingredients in the vaccine, right? Aaron Rodgers was one of them. And so if you tell those people, "Hey, I understand that this medicine that works you can't take, but here is a guy who did something different and was fine." Like this is okay, too.
15:17>> And so they shut all that down, demonetized people, closed shows, channels down. It each was It was bad. >> It was interesting. >> It was It was It was interesting. It's You know, it's funny watching it from hindsight because we can look at it now and see where, you know, everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree.
15:31But even still, like uh like for example, the Fauci hearings, nobody who was a big supporter of his that I know personally knew about that until I told them about it. They was like it just didn't show up in their [ __ ] radar. >> They don't want to know about it. >> Of course not. >> I mean, nobody wants to think that they were completely wrong about that, you know?
15:51>> Yeah. >> And that was one of the things they did whip everybody up into a fury. >> Yeah. Look, when you're wrong about something, you got to say, "Well, I was wrong about that, for sure." >> That's really honestly like part and parcel not just to being an honest person, but like especially if you're in science, um >> Yes.
16:08>> you know, like uh your boy your favorite archaeologist who's not a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a thing where he was making fun of me and he's like pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and how Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has foodstuffs from South America and Asia.
16:24So like the as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that we're aware of, they were hitting both of these continents 1,000 years ago. So I I mentioned this, Flint clips that, he's like, "This is [ __ ] This Dan's confidently wrong. He's full of shit." 5 minutes later in this live stream, he catches that that is accurate.
16:39"Well, actually, there is evidence of contact between the two." But he never mentions that it was on Easter Island. He saves his face rather than I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing, but the point is is that if you're >> This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week, there's some new wellness hack that people swear by, and after a while, you start thinking, "Why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies?"
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17:24If you want to try, Armra is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts. Go to armra.com/rogan. >> You're not a scientist. You're not a scientist. >> This is what I also think. I think there's all this personal stuff that goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary. And I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these, whatever you would call yourself, you know, amateur >> Interested amateur, sure.
17:54>> interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these looking at the data and looking at the science of it and you're really good at it. >> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. >> That should be an asset. That's all that should be. That should be an asset to the archaeologists. And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them.
18:09Now, I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right >> right way to do it. >> I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith and I think he wanted to, you know, push a certain narrative and one of the narratives was the thing that disturbed disturbed me the most is he was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see.
18:34>> Yeah, it >> I don't think that it can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings. It's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live. So, it's their ancestors. So, the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the [ __ ] they were.
Ancient Civilizations and Racism Claims
18:49Whether whether they were the people of 2,500 BC or whether it was even earlier than that. Whatever it was. It was the people that live right there. The same people. >> It's >> So, this is crazy. >> Well, the whole thing is >> Yeah, this is what's really funny. >> Atlantis. >> Well, they say you assume that Atlanteans were white, ergo it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about.
19:07You're not asking questions about the Colosseum. It's like, okay, well, the Colosseum has written records. So, I know why the Colosseum was built, when it was built. The Parthenon, same thing. But, you know what I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly? Baalbek. Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans.
19:21We're all doing it there, too. It has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with written records. They ignore this. One of my favorite things to throw out of them is >> has no written records of the not of the trilithon >> Trilithon of the big stuff, exactly. >> And how do you not write that down?
19:35>> [laughter] >> You wrote down everything. >> The Romans wrote everything down. They had scribes. Their job was to document everything. They were very concentrated on history. >> Yeah. Yeah. We went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti were here. >> Yes. >> Um but talking about like the Roman foot.
19:51>> Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in sub-Saharan Africa. >> Mhm. >> It's Africans. >> Well, I think honestly that I think Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for a lost civilization that was globe-spanning. >> Yeah. >> And like they would call us 10,000 years from now, they would just lump us in with the damn French and call us the electronic civilization.
20:09And with the exception of GSP, I don't want to be associated with the damn French. >> [laughter] >> No. >> I'm kidding. I'm kidding. >> of dope French people. I love Montreal. >> Speaking of, I GSP is going to be at that event. Um >> Oh, is he? >> Yes. >> He's the best. I love that he's doing a podcast.
20:27He's a very fascinated guy. He's fascinated and curious about so many things, and he's kind, and he's open-minded, and he's really intelligent. He is so odd. Like when people meet him, and I go, "Do you know who that is?" And they go, "No." So, he's like a really nice guy. Well, that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived.
20:45They're like, "No way." I go, "One of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great." I think Jon Jones all-time great. But, I think he's in the conversation. They're like, "George is in the conversation of one of the greatest that's ever done it." And meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest guy. >> Dude, when I I made a comment once to him on Instagram where he was like doing these leg workouts, and I was like, "My legs will never look like that because I'm sitting on a computer all day
21:09smoking weed and reading." And [laughter] he goes, "I'd trade my legs for your brain any day." And I'm just like, "Shut >> [snorts] >> the [ __ ] up. Your legs have made you millions. What the hell are you talking about, boy?" >> [laughter] >> Well, everybody wants what they don't have, you know? >> He's going to have me on his pod here on the 17th, too.
21:24He's going to be here the 16th through 18th for that thing at the ACL >> everybody this thing you're doing. >> Uh here at the Quest Ranch at Civilizations Conference, October 16th through 18th at the ACL Live here in Austin, Texas. Be me, Randall Carlson, um who Base Forge you just had him on here, Bassem Youssef, and a few other guys.
21:46Yeah, this thing. There's going to be a bunch of AI See how that AI generated homage dude in the middle there? That's me. >> on one picture. I love it. >> Oh, man. Yeah, >> [laughter] >> we're we're there's >> That doesn't look like Duncan. >> It's going to be a Oh, yeah. >> That doesn't look like Duncan at all.
22:00That's like Duncan on TRT. >> But Curt and Duncan are going to be there, the mystery boys. Those guys will be Those guys are always fun. >> You hear Randall Carlson has a rap song out now? >> Yes. Yes. >> Not Randall, I'm sorry. Billy. Billy Carlson. >> Randall, I didn't [laughter] know he released I could put one out together.
22:14Randall has a rap >> My brain got scrambled. Randall has a rap song? >> When we were in Sedona, Arizona, me and him were sharing an Airbnb and he was he wrote it in like the late '80s. He was spitting bars at me over breakfast. I was just going, "God [ __ ] damn, this was not on my bingo card." >> Woah.
22:28[laughter] Randall Carlson rapping at me for breakfast. >> Carlson is a hip-hop head? >> Uh from the late '80s. >> He's been Wait, how do I not know that? [laughter] I've known that guy for [ __ ] years. I should look it up or not. >> Poor Jamie blowing the [ __ ] away over here. >> Randall [laughter] Carlson hip-hop, please.
22:42Put that into Perplexity. Ask our AI sponsor, Perplexity, [laughter] what Randall Carlson's history in hip-hop is. That'll be dope. Watching [ __ ] Santa Claus spitting bars like that. >> I'm telling you, man. I was It was I was still drinking coffee and nursing my morning bowl and I was like, "Well, holy [ __ ] And this is the real world.
23:02>> [laughter] >> Yeah, crazy. >> But yeah, that's going to be a fun thing. GSP is going to be there now that he just got uh officially 100% confirmed about an hour ago. >> That's fantastic. >> But uh yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. Um but uh I'm going to be talking a lot about this. >> for that.
23:16You can get them online. >> Yeah, tickets are available. You can get them online uh the Quest for Ancient Civilizations things. Um um Quest for Ancient Civilizations um if you go to my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there uh uh there Yeah, if you look for Quest for Ancient Civilizations, you'll have no trouble finding it.
23:31>> So this conference uh available online, people can get tickets, looks like a dope lineup, and it's all the stuff that I love to talk about, so >> Yeah, it's Yeah, I I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the pyramids, we've got the comedy, we've got the ass whooping. It all three.
23:47[laughter] >> So these people, let's go back to this um this Smithsonian thing, these people with their altered heads, is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here, like the Peruvian skulls and >> No, before I thought Oh, go ahead, sorry.
Cranial Deformation and Bloodline Mixing
24:05>> No, go ahead. >> Oh, before I thought that, but um cuz like there was skulls in China that were originally mistaken for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal and stuff, like old and now they say they're artificially modified by people. >> But >> No, I think um could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation?
24:18It's the It's got two heads with one circled, like two cat scans. What I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing, >> Mhm. >> they believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and or Denisovan mingling with us. >> Right. >> Skull too small, brain too big. So now if you have this consistent problem, you've got to always got pressure on the brain.
24:39See how it's pops down there? You've always got this pressure on the brain. >> Mhm. >> Now imagine if you you might drill holes in your head, like you've seen all the truncation that's happened down there. There's an image of that, yep. And then or you might elongate the back of the skull every generation so that your kids don't have the same [ __ ] headaches grandpa did.
24:59>> [gasps] >> Oh. >> And so it becomes a thing that and this is why if you check out South America Paracas is insane this way. They have so many things the polydactyly, the elongated skulls, the trephination. There's a thing Could you pull up the Inca bone one? Where your skulls melt the plates in the skull melt in the back if there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end up with they call uh vermian bones.
25:24Ones in the back are wormian bones. The ones in the back are so pronounced. Um they're they're called Inca bones because they happen mostly in Inca territory. You also see it in Easter Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in Asia. But this part of the skull right there um there's one that's got a Neanderthal that shows this too.
25:42Neanderthals had the same issue. There's another one and that is an island uh oh Jesus um But yeah, the sorry there's yeah, there's one that's got >> Checking my own head right now. >> [laughter] >> There's one with white text at the bottom Jimmy, sorry. Um but yeah, Neanderthal had it. Um and it's a uh again it's it's from a lack of equilibrium.
26:02They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting. >> That makes sense. >> I think in South America I think that they were mingling different bloodlines the the same as you can look at a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do. And they would mingle these bloodlines and then they would get all kinds of different Yeah, there's a Neanderthal one.
26:21Um they would get all kinds of different genetic variations. And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored. Like you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec? >> Mhm. >> Okay. Um have you ever seen Could you pull up the the dental dysplasia one the kid with the two fangs? There's there's dental things.
26:39It'll make you grow fangs as a child. It also quite often will give you a hair lip. Jaguar? >> Woah. >> And so like if you look And so like >> What do you think that's from? >> Again, this is from >> Is that some ancient [ __ ] where people used to have teeth like that? >> It's It's DNA. They're They're again, where we cross-mingled DNA, um there should be one uh right there about the mouths with the uh paper Sorry, I'm I'll have to [snorts] pull up the exact quote later.
27:10>> those teeth, that's not in any other human primate that we've ever found. >> No, that's It happens in ours, but when they >> a malformation. >> And we have a lot of that like the Well, some people just keep growing teeth, right? >> Right. >> Um you know, or you get different bones in the head, um different shapes of the skull.
27:29>> I've seen skulls ancient skulls with rows of teeth. >> Yeah. Yeah. And some of those um I like they don't know for sure how many of those are legit, but the um there's there's definitely no question that these things happen. That's again, well, the real problem with this is becomes a cover-up. Like but a little bit ago I mentioned that they were all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest.
27:50Um Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington when Colonel Charles Wilkes, or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bones Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these above-ground burials, and they were 3,000 of them.
28:08All of them supposedly would have had elongated skulls because again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods, you weren't a freeborn person, and this was You had to be noble to be buried there. 3,000 elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire actually burnt the place down. All those skulls disappeared.
28:24Um that image that he uh Jamie skipped past a little bit ago is just a dude sitting on pile of bones. This is an Indian burial ground that they were just looting the things and selling them left and right. >> Where do you think those things are? >> In people's house People's hands. >> Well, I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection.
28:45>> couple people that have commented on my videos saying like I saw one at so-and-so's house in 1978, but >> Wow. >> But here but I'll give you the smoking gun. >> right? If you're like some Rockefeller type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island. >> It's funny you brought up Rockefeller. In the '30s, when Tello down in Paracas, he he starts putting out, "Hey, we've got these elongated skulls down there and I need money."
29:05He was getting $300 a year to take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind and history says flat out he took an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and walked back with four bundles. Now, according to >> That's it? Three grand? >> Yeah, and four four grave bundles. That's 10 times what Tello was getting a year.
29:2410 times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them. He coughs up four out of like 300 bundles. Now, >> Wow. >> those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No photos exist, no drawings exist. They may have been repatriated, they may not have been repatriated, depends on who you ask.
29:40The AI will run you in a damn circle of going with it. At the end of the day, we don't know which four they what what they looked like, but I can tell you this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from. Do you think Rockefel- if one of them had great big old devil horns and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it or took it with him?
29:58It's a [ __ ] no-brainer [ __ ] right? >> Right. >> So, the best of the best always gone. And as soon when Rockefeller found out that he couldn't go to get the ones in the Pacific Northwest anymore, but there was some somewhere else, he ran there. And right now, [snorts] you sent me the video just a little bit ago, but this is more They're These skulls are disappearing off the shelves in the museums right now.
30:18>> Yeah. >> Right as we speak. This this cover-up There's This cover-up I'm sure you've seen the map. It 100 years ago, they wrote drew a map of artificial cranial deformation, and then like 10 years ago, they made another one. Both of these are on peer-reviewed papers. And the older map has more information.
30:35There's more the more areas they've erased. The island of Niue had it. Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody [ __ ] talks about that. Nobody knows about it. If you want to go look at it, the answer is no. >> When you say ancient, like what year? >> Not sure, but when they dig them up and they start doing at prehistoric they call it, but prehistoric in Hawaii and you know, maybe a thousand years ago.
30:59>> Wow. >> So, this is all over the world people are doing that. >> Well, yeah. >> And that what you're saying about the brain size and the base of the brain completely makes sense. >> Thank you. I mean it to me it seems like the most smoke and not only does it smoking gun, it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be Imagine you've got a Neanderthal a Homo Sapien and they're talking to each other trying to figure out a problem and they both walk away from that with like mad
31:26respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't. Wouldn't they want to mingle that? So, like Jamie, could you pull that picture that I got of the that family tree? It's just that it's like an empty blank white family tree and then right after it's the like imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, "Hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines."
31:47So, like this is a standard kind of thing, right? And could you pull up that Candelabra next to it? It should be like Sorry. If that same symbol basically with the Candelabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? The The Candelabra of the Andes visible 12 miles out to sea. Okay. Um Now, if you think we're trying to draw the draw we're trying to draw the mingling of bloodlines and here's a symbol of where we're doing it.
32:21[ __ ] doesn't it? I mean, doesn't that kind of look uncanny? And then can you pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one even more. This is when they buried people in Paracas, this was they'd put them in these textiles and this one textile like that back there. Look at what they Try to translate that and and keep in mind what I was just telling you.
32:40>> Okay, it looks like a monkey on either side and then a person in the middle. And it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. >> Well, that's upside down. >> Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's First of all, it looks like they did DMT. >> Well, yeah, clearly.
32:58>> It looks like they >> There's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy. >> 100% they were on DMT. Um but that does look like two monkeys. Right? It looks like they have tails. Doesn't it? >> Yeah, it does. >> And then the one in the middle looks like the bad [ __ ] That's the boss. >> And that's pregnant.
33:14>> I've met that guy before. >> [laughter] >> You have? >> I have. I met that guy. I met that guy over there. >> But you see that Notice that in the middle of this thing, he's got a something in his tummy. >> Uh-huh. >> Um I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different bloodlines to make something more, that image kind of seems to >> Also, they always have three fingers and three toes.
33:36And then you get to the tridactyl mummies. And I do not Look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think about the tridactyl mummies. >> Neither do I. It's honestly like um I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America down in Peru created a lot of artificial created a lot of natural weird problems.
33:57And some of them would be um like misshapen skulls. And then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them. And I think that's why down there they get so crazy looking is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it. >> Okay. >> The rest of the world, they don't get that cone >> So, do you think maybe they had like a bulbous roundish head, but extra large because there's those skulls as well that seem to be not deformed, but they do have a larger brain capacity.
34:26>> Yeah, those The ones that are bulbous in the back, those are um that's the most common type of cranial deformation that you see. It's what um Concomly skull, the chief that I was showing you. Um It's uh can you pull that one up, please, Jamie? Sorry. >> So, bulbous in the back, bulbous >> Yeah. >> That's huge.
34:44>> Yeah, and that again, that would keep it And now notice, even back 100 years ago, that picture that he was just that showing that the uh the other photograph, why isn't his skull elongated? >> Well, it's hard to tell because he's looking straight on, but it could be >> All of the all of the artistic work of him is lacking that for some reason.
Chief Concomly and Trophy Skulls
35:02Right? But >> couldn't you see that if some Well, that one looks pretty elongated. >> [laughter] >> God, go back to that. That's crazy. >> That was that was >> Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be like, "Yo, what are you?" >> Check check >> And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh, the poor kid.
35:18>> [snorts] >> Uh imagine being a baby, you're [ __ ] strapped into that thing. >> Oh, man, Dave's uh in this book here, it it quotes from a book called The Story that used to be required reading up where I live in uh there's a guy that witnessed them one of these kids being their head binding. It said that their eyes bulged out of [snorts] their skull like a mouse caught in a trap.
35:37>> Oh my god. >> So, when you think about that, honest But if your kid was going to have migraines incessantly for the rest of their life, you might just do that anyway. >> Yeah, I guess they had [clears throat] to do it if you're right. If you're right about the base of the brain, which kind of tracks.
35:50It But it to me, the the the capacity of the skulls being so much larger in some of the Peruvian skulls is weird. >> It is. It's a funny one, too, because these guys will argue back and forth. You'll get a lot of skeptics that say there is no larger capacity, but the guys that measure it claim that there is, and the other guys that measure it claim it's >> Well, that one that we always show all the time, Jamie, that one that I'm really fascinated by, that one image.
36:17It's so big. It's so big. It's so crazy. You're looking at it, and you're like, "What is that?" That Imagine meeting that guy. You would be freaked out. Like that that would not look at all like a person. He would think, "Oh my god, this guy's from another planet." Yeah, like that guy. And then there's the sagittal suture thing.
36:35That some of them don't have the sagittal suture that we have. >> Yeah. >> That's uh >> Yeah, again, um these paper uh there's >> head. Look at that head, man. Also, look at the size of the eye sockets. >> Yeah, it's it's >> The eye sockets are [ __ ] huge. That person must have had insane eyeballs. Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're looking at you.
36:54I mean, how much bigger is that than a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must have been a wild-looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy over your house for a party. [laughter] Your friends would be like, "Yo, who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind?" >> I don't know [ __ ] No, I'm not playing if you were playing trivia, he's on my team.
37:14>> That guy's the freakiest one, man. The one on the left. But, what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a flattened thing. >> Yeah, that's I I think that it was pro I think that it was partially natural. Like even the sagittal suture, that um this is one of the things they find with uh De uh Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA.
37:36>> That one on the right, is that real? >> It is. >> Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horse [ __ ] That's [ __ ] real? >> Mhm. >> [laughter] >> Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone stole that. Someone's got that in their [ __ ] Rhode Island mansion. >> Of course. >> You know those Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions that they have in Very weird, man.
37:56I got into a a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of Bronze or Gilded Age mansions >> Oh boy. >> in Newport, Rhode Island, where all these like [ __ ] super rich creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a [ __ ] glass box and inside of it there's one of these skulls.
38:15It looks like it's from another planet. >> Well, yeah. And and it's so it's weird to me that they're hiding all of this. It's It's >> Somebody's hiding all that. >> Well, it's it It It It's It maybe not just somebody, but there's definitely money behind it because it it happens like so fast and it happen like the the article I'll I'll I will link an article in a video and it'll be dead in 2 weeks and I'll have to go [ __ ] fight like I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now and I've
38:44downloaded it because it's just keeps disappearing and it's the what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls. It's just >> Someone's scrubbing the internet of the Rocke- Rockefeller scub skulls or something. >> shows up, but >> it's because someone has them and they're like, "Shut the [ __ ] up." >> those skulls.
39:00Do you It It History says that he either repatriated them or he left them in the museum and it's like it So, I then I asked you asked, "Well, what's the catalog numbers?" Oh, well, there are no catalog numbers for human remains. Okay, [ __ ] you. I know better than that. It's It's and they all ultimate What really gets me is is this They give you the same excuse for Papua New Guinea as they do for China as they do for Easter Island as they do for Hawaii as they do for the Pacific Northwest as
39:24they do for Paracas. Well, it's about You know, it's about like protecting the indigenous peoples um beliefs and they they don't want you to have like their skulls because then that would be like you have part of their souls. It's like, "Okay, I can understand that some of them might think this way, but we got Mennonites in Pennsylvania that don't believe that and they're sitting right next door to their friends that do believe that.
39:45Um how am I supposed to accept that the entire Pacific Rim [ __ ] all falls into line we can't get them to do that same [ __ ] in Pennsylvania? I don't I don't buy it. This is This is a European thing. This isn't a East This isn't an Islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing. It's covering these things up.
40:01These people are perfectly content to have their skulls displayed as far as we can tell, but it's always some white dude going, "Oh, we got to Oh, we got to hide those [ __ ] skulls because we got appease the At the end of the day, please put all your [ __ ] in it in the in the museum so that we can keep a good eye on it for you.
40:19Can I see it? [ __ ] you. It's gone. [ __ ] you. It's gone. Try to find this online. You'll find an an image that says no image available that has a title. And that's it. You There was one last I looked there was one copy that was in a that was in a library in Malta. >> And you really think that's cuz someone's in possession of this stuff and they're trying to squash it?
40:41>> I think that there's a narrative there that people don't want pushed. I think that it might have something to do with I mean let's be honest what I'm talking about when you start talking about mingling different bloodlines for different traits. This does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of politically incorrect stuff of >> But how is it eugenics if people just interbred?
41:03>> I if if there was a I believe there was a program in Paracas. Like >> Really? >> Uh could you pull up one of the pictures of the person presenting the When they would bring the jag- there's there's when those jaguar babies, right? The the jaguar people in the old Mex society had the hair lip and the things like I was showing.
41:20There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There you go. Ta-da! Here's my baby. This baby's all [ __ ] mutilated, not like me. Ta-da! Here you go. >> But that baby doesn't look mutilated though. >> It's uh it that's not a very good image but yeah, it's a >> Was there any That one doesn't look That one looks normal.
41:36It just looks like a mother with a baby. >> if you look at the top down the both of those they have hair lips. And they're missing the teeth. They're they are jaguar babies. >> Like that one. That last image. Yeah. >> That's a that's a trophy skull. With a the only trophy skull known with a cleft lip.
41:54You know, if you were born with a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded if you were born with a cleft lip to their people, they would put you in a temple as part of the workers. You were considered holy. Six fingers was considered holy. Deformations were considered holy. >> And this trophy skull, what is it What do you mean by that?
42:13>> I mean that this is like a mummified skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get a real image, but this is the only one that exists is the >> And so somebody has that somewhere in a museum or >> Yeah, or somewhere, yeah. >> Somewhere. >> [snorts] >> But yeah, there's there's a bunch of these trophy skulls that they kept down in South America.
42:29They would wear skulls on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They just drill a hole right in the [ __ ] thing and hang it right on their belt. >> Ooh. >> Yeah, huh? But that one was especially prized cuz that was a noble. >> You're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from your belt.
42:43That's how they would wear them? >> I'm a badass. >> Wow. >> That's Yeah, that part of the world was never [snorts] >> So you think there's a potential that they were created They were breeding people specifically? >> Yeah. I think that they would like pick pick bloodlines and be like, "You know what?
42:58You look more like and you look more like and you need to have a baby together and then here's a baby. Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar." >> So what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is? >> some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as [ __ ] to me, just to be clear. >> The early the the tiny ones look like >> little the ones that look like cake.
43:18>> But the ones that they do the cat scans of, you're like, "Wow." >> You know what I mean? >> you find out that they're like at least 1,200 years old. You're like, "Are you telling me that 1,200 years ago someone created this?" >> I think DNA would be a good way to to get into that to begin with because uh yeah.
43:35>> I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers and there's not also like a mad rush amongst scientists to discover Are these two trophy skulls? >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead and a rope attached to it. >> clown around.
43:52>> With the skin on it and the hair. So this person's just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist. >> I just read said they were most I mean, the ones that they found were young women. >> Oh. >> Like 13 to 16 years old. But I don't know if that's what these are. >> Well, one of them looks like a woman.
44:10The one on the right looks like a woman. >> Kind of looks like my last. >> That's so crazy. That's That's where things get so weird. When you go back and you realize that entire cultures they they engaged in ritual sacrifice at a a mass scale. Like what the Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice and they their their culture was so it involved sacrifice so much that they would go out and get other people and That's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to group all these other people to
44:47attack the Aztecs. Like, these [ __ ] have been killing us ritually forever. >> Yeah, we're we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh, wait, you're not going to help us out afterwards. [laughter] Like one of my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, "Okay, we need all you guys to bring all your codices here so that we can we can put them on these shelves."
45:04And so like all these Mesoamerican codices show up and the Spanish friar is like, "Torch." [ __ ] watches them all burn. >> Yeah. >> And there's like handful left that exist now. >> I know. >> They just bought It's like 3 years ago they bought those ones from a family in Mexico that had them for like 500 years and one of them talks about the building of Teotihuacan.
45:24>> Whoa. >> And the Mexican government bought it for like 250 grand. It was like Like I was telling Matt Bell and Matt Bell's like, "That's [ __ ] nothing." >> Is that a dope trophy skull? >> Some of these are [ __ ] sick. >> That's a chief skull. Wow. >> Hold on now. Wait till I get to some of these down here.
45:38>> Holy [ __ ] >> [clears throat] >> So now imagine if this is These are crazy. >> Oh man, you Are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser? >> This is like straight out of the Predator. >> So these were found in Asia. >> Whoa. My dear god. >> This some of this looks almost like this is like from out of a movie set.
45:54>> Well, they've glued like tusks onto some of the skulls. >> Well, what is that? >> Whoa. Go go back up a little bit. >> Man, that looks like something out of war. >> Yeah, that one on the right with the the horn coming out of his nose. >> The human child trophy skull. >> Human child trophy skull? What the [ __ ] man?
46:15How did I never hear about this before? Look at How about the one with the headsets on? That one's got [laughter] headphones on. >> It says I don't know. >> What the [ __ ] man? Why why does it say info email? Are you selling these? >> That's the thing. I mean, I I stumbled across something here. It does say art.
46:32Art of tribal art Asia, which is >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull. That looks like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part, it's all filled in. >> You imagine if they >> [clears throat] >> you found out there was a website you could just order trophy skulls. >> That's what I was I would did I was finding recreated ones on Etsy that people are making.
46:54>> [cough and clears throat] >> Oh. >> It says it's a replica. >> Lord. >> But >> What kind of a [ __ ] Etsy person? >> Made by monster. That's that kind of person. >> [laughter] >> It's like I didn't even try to hide it. [ __ ] it. I'm a monster. >> [ __ ] dude with an Etsy [laughter] page with just skulls.
47:10That's wild. Boy. >> But you know, even uh some of these Olmec heads have yeah, hair lips. >> Mhm. >> Like I got a a picture that saved on one of those that has it. It was it and again, if you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with human DNA, this is a thing where you end up with facial deformations including hair lips.
47:34>> I think it's real, bro. >> What? >> Earlier 20th century Dayak incised trophy skull and it's got a name. It costs a lot of money. And they say where it came from. >> You could buy that? >> Yeah. Talking about Login for the price. >> [clears throat] >> Do you think that Can you imagine if we had a [ __ ] skull human skull on the desk?
47:54That's too creepy. >> That is. >> Cuz we don't know how the guy died or the woman died. >> collection from Thousand Oaks, California. >> See how many private collections are out there? I was telling See if you can find elongated skull for sale. >> I was telling you about Concomly. >> I got here, honestly.
48:09>> [laughter] >> But I was looking. >> I was telling you about that Chief Concomly. He was a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area. He He married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was like He was A bunch of braves came up and said, "We're going to go kill all these white guys."
48:25He's like, "Hey, hey, hey. Do you know See how tight their tightly woven their cloth is? Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you see any of their kids or their women? Do you think this is all they're capable of or do you think they're going to bring more to bear when they bring their families with them?
48:37Let's not [ __ ] with these guys." He was really shrewd and smart. He died 3 years later. Some British dude chopped his [ __ ] head off. They actually had hid him. They Instead of these above ground canoe burials, they'd hid him cuz they knew. Dude chops his head off, ships the skull back to England, and it wasn't until this This came out 5 years after they'd repatriated the skull to the Chinook people.
48:59But yeah, they actually carved on the back of his [ __ ] head even. Like um Yeah, here. Chief Concomly. We Here's his skull. And here's a friend to the >> See if you can't see it, they engraved that on the back of his skull. Oh my god. >> It's like so horrific. And uh like So, you could see why the Smithsonian might be a little hard pressed in letting this stuff out.
49:22But um >> Well, well, the the Peruvian skulls, though, do do like when you you look at them and you look at the Monster R, do you think there's more to this this story? Is it Is this as simple as cranial deformation plus uh they do it on purpose or is there a potential for a different species of human >> Well, there's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species of human that lived there.
Peruvian Skulls and Alien Speculation
49:49And I mean, even you know, I'm not into the ancient alien stuff but in all honesty I wouldn't be if if if there was aliens intermingling with humans this would probably be the best smoking gun place for it. >> There's also all the evidence that they were building art that you could only see from the sky.
50:04>> Exactly. >> Which is really weird. >> Which is really weird and even things like like that candelabra of the Andes that I was that's visible again 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough. Imagine the guys jumping down from right here from Portland Oregon just jumping down the coast to Paracas.
50:21>> Where have we drawn the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering? >> I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with but it looks like a family tree and it's like with everything else lined up all of a sudden it's like well I mean if you're trying to say hey guys this is where we do this what symbol would you use?
50:36>> Right. >> And that's where okay again if this was in a vacuum this this not how I got there this is this is kind of the icing on the cake is the Paracas candelabra and that that textile thing that the honest to god evidence is I mean there's a lot of papers that I have a handful of papers that I've got screenshots of there but you pick your genetic deformation and then Google it with Denisovan and Neanderthal and you almost [ __ ] teed hydrocephalus that big skull thing that I showed there you
51:03see so few of those in Paracas with those great big things hydrocephalus is something that's they is the frequencies increased when you mingle Denisovan Neanderthal DNA it's it's constant issue. >> That candelabra image does that image appear in other areas? >> It actually does is crazily enough it appears in Easter Island on skulls that are carved with that same image.
51:29>> Wow. >> I I didn't put any in the file but I've got them in a video there's two of them that they have one is like a straight line and then one's like a bird man kind of it but it's the same image it's the same image. >> do you mean humans? >> I do see decorated like those we were just looking at like >> So a dead human that has that on their head >> They scratched it in afterwards like that.
51:50>> There's a the the Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of those are gone. They're and they're hard to find images of like impossible, but they do have these and they were like they would do artwork on skulls after they would die. And a few of them do strongly resemble the candelabra of the Andes.
52:10>> And is that candelabra is that anywhere else down there? Is >> Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen. >> Can I see that again, please? The candelabra. Cuz uh the family tree thing, it's like is it the same configuration on the Easter Island heads? >> Um >> Or is it similar? >> The it's it's not identical, but it's really what look for Easter Island modified skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up the it'll be a paper.
52:39I doubt you'll find it uh I doubt you'll find it in the images section, but if you click all, there should be a paper that the um Yeah, maybe you have to go to Google Scholar to find it. I apologize. But uh >> That's okay. >> It Yeah, they've there's there's artwork on these things and a handful of them that is uh >> I'll find something here.
53:04>> It's There's artwork on a few on two of them in particular that's got that that same fork symbol. And one of them they they call a bird a bird man. There we go. Bam, there's the bird man. And then there on the same page you should see Good job, Jamie. You're a [ __ ] pimp. See, they did a bunch of art on these skulls, but two of them have that same symbol.
53:28>> Do they show that in here? >> They're right there. >> No, it's got that thing right there. >> Similar. Super similar. Yeah, not identical for sure, but it's it's does have the same three things forking together to make one. >> a theory >> that that's the tree of life. Or that's the family tree, rather.
53:48>> No, that's totally again. That that the family tree thing is completely completely my thing. Um I'm way >> This one represents a penis entering a vulva. >> Right in the back of the head. >> He drew it on his head. That guy was like the earliest bad tattoo art ever. [laughter] >> Like maybe they were honoring a person's ability to deep throat.
54:06Oh, this far back. >> Right. >> [ __ ] If you score, you knew it. >> [laughter] >> X marks the spot. But yeah, again, I I the these the imagery and stuff, I can't be 100% all right. I mean, you can never be 100% on this stuff, but the genetic Tho- those wormian bones I showed you on the back, they call them Inca bones for a reason, because they show up in the Inca.
54:27They the Incas have a higher the South American in Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft palates. They have a higher instance of polydactyly. They have just pick your [ __ ] thing that's in line with all this, and it it happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in the world. And then when you see everything else, the elongated skulls that frankly beggared belief.
54:45Um imagery and stuff that seems to the way that they praised genetic deformations, it seems almost unthinkable they wouldn't be trying to Imagine if everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a certain way. Wouldn't you I mean, wouldn't some people want to have kids that look that way? >> Right.
55:05And there was probably some benefit that also came with that. >> Exactly. You Again, you >> Intellect. >> They went well >> Something. >> Even if it was just a social one. Even if Even the kid could be I I think about this. One person born with those weird teeth and a cleft palate that's also a little Einsteiny.
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56:39Talk it out with BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/jre. That's better h e l p.com/jre. >> That's like when people in the 1400s were getting syphilis and they all started wearing the big wigs. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> It just took that one royal family with syphilis to wear wigs and everybody's like, "Got to wear a wig."
57:05>> It's that Isn't that It's It's got to We We follow these trends, right? It's It's We people are weird that way, but here we are. >> That's a weird one. The The The the higher classification of a person who is born with other human DNA that's given them specific traits. But the thing about the monster out stuff and that doesn't seem like a human.
Giant Skeletons and Hrdlicka
57:29The If the If that's real, the three fingers and the three toes, and don't they have extra ribs? >> Yeah. >> Something like that? Or extra vertebrae? >> That >> The size of the head, the whole thing looks so weird. You're like, "Okay, is If this really has been carbon dated to 1,200 years ago, if that's legit, what is that?
57:47Cuz that I don't think that 1,200 years ago people were capable of recreating something like that that's going to survive a CAT scan. Why would [snorts] you do the kind of work that they did that you can only see from a CAT scan? Because the entire outside of it is covered. Right? It's got the the the white clay, and it's all mummified, and there's tissue that's mummified.
58:11>> Yeah. >> How? >> No, that's I >> How the [ __ ] did you do that? >> That's a very That's I mean, that's a good point. And again a That uh the the one gene that's responsible for polydactyly, when they they uh in mice, when they introduced it to the the GLI3 variant in Denisovans and Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental morphology [ __ ] up, and sometimes extra fingers.
58:40Sometimes good extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers. >> Did the mice figure out how to get out of the cage? >> I don't think so. >> have started getting really smart. [laughter] They'd start leaving notes. Pink Scratch notes in the window, "Let me out." >> Pinky, today we conquer the world. >> [laughter] >> Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones?
59:00>> Yes, I Not only that, but like this is funny. When I was here last time, I would have I would have told you I don't think so. I mean, maybe 6'5", but I've done a lot of research in it since then. [ __ ] Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong, his name is Ales Hrdlicka. He was the guy from Hungary who was a medical doctor.
59:18He had this theory that's a lot like the same theory of phrenology, like Leonardo DiCaprio poking on of of the skull. Boy, that makes you docile. Um except for it was a all-encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arms and bone arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So, he left medical science to become an anthropologist to push that narrative.
59:42He [ __ ] said it point-blank. And then he goes out and says, "Oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than white people bones? Didn't happen." Uh This guy's got a vested interest in proving that white people are superior and that he believes that you prove this by the skeletons.
1:00:00And he comes out and debunks all the giant bones. And the way he did it, he's like, "Oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones." It's like, "Dude, that's Yeah, when I get pulled over by the cop, I pull out the I don't have any drugs on me, officer. See, these are cigarettes." >> What year was this again?
1:00:12>> Uh 1930s. >> And are there images of these bones this guy's displaying? >> No. >> [laughter] >> Very, very little. It's almost all of this has just been scrubbed. It's >> So, what was he saying those bones were? >> He was just saying that He said that people mis- mismeasured them. This is where it gets really, really ugly.
1:00:29It's he accuses people Some of these guys were really good at their job and he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And the worst example of this, in 1959, 20 years after this dude's on this one of the dude in charge of the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr.
1:00:46Don Dragoo, dug up in one of these Adena mounds a a skeleton and he says, "According to the in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in life would have been 7 ft 3 in tall." But he debunked it by saying, "Well, this is just an in-ground measurement. This is just It's It has no He didn't do any other any other work with it or anything."
1:01:08It's like, "The man flat-out said it indicates." He was It's 1959, 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons. This guy would They threw him straight under the [ __ ] bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you. So, it it's like and this was in '59 again and and a guy in charge of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan digging in the backyard.
1:01:31>> So, is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like, can that be traced? >> Unf- all the way to the Carnegie Museum where we don't know what happened to it now. This is This is a consistent issue with these remains. If it's a giant bone or elongated skull and you want to know more about it, real good chance you're not going to be able to find anything.
1:01:52So, >> what do you think was going on? Do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people? >> I I maybe or maybe even just some of us that had the different just some some different DNA in us than somebody else, you know, just a little bit of, you know, I mean, honestly >> six-toe thing >> Well, >> keeps coming up.
1:02:12>> Yeah, that's um again, you know, we get that now with just a little bit of Neanderthal DNA, right? So, you get a different species that had more Denisovan in them than us and still technically might be the same species, but not >> Do you think it's possible that these giants were Denisovans? >> It's possible.
1:02:30>> Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us, right? >> Yeah, I mean, I at least 6 in I'd say, yeah. >> And if you had a big one, like this Shaq, right? He and there's me. You know what I mean? Like, if you have a really big one, like it isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things?
1:02:46Like, we only have a couple bones, right? And I think there's something that just came out from China about Homo luzonensis. You know, that they think it might be Denisovan, that it might be the same thing, right? >> Yeah, Dragon Man, the same thing. That's been out for a little bit now, but yeah, they're >> But there was something that was like super recent where they were proposing, cuz I think they're trying to figure out what what we're talking about.
1:03:10But we're talking about it from just a couple of bones. There's not a lot of It's not like they had a whole full of Denisovans with various heights and weights and they can get an estimation of like what the medium was. >> Oh yeah, the vast majority of what we know about them comes from DNA. >> Right.
1:03:26>> Vast majority. >> Yeah. So, we have a few bones. >> Yep. >> But then, it's like, how big? >> How big were they? >> Like, is this a 12-ft tall person? Is that real? >> They Although >> There's 5-ft tall people and there's 9-ft tall people. >> Exactly. >> What's the tallest person today? Like, 8-ft?
1:03:42>> Uh alive now, I'm not sure, but like Robert Wadlow was like But he he had like a real problem. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Yeah, giant gigantism. That's like a a tumor on the pituitary gland. >> just keep on growing. >> Yeah. Um but I think that just for just an out-sized enormous person, I think the record today is like Okay, 8-ft 2.8 in in 2011.
1:04:02Yo, Sultan Kösen of Turkey. Okay. Come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey, >> [laughter] >> which is like the one of the oldest DNAs in the world where Göbekli Tepe is. How do we know Is this guy a giant? Holy crap. The size of that guy. >> Holy crap. >> he look like when he's standing up? Put him over there.
1:04:23Okay. And he doesn't even look like he has gigantism. Does he? >> I don't know. >> He just looks like a giant dude. He doesn't have like a misshaped head or anything like that. Um either way, >> pretty impressive. >> Now, imagine Now, is that imagine is that a is that a gene thing? Like, is that is that capable of being Is that old?
1:04:47Is that some old DNA from some other kind of human? Or is that just a really big person? >> That's a different guy right here. >> That's a different guy. That's a guy in China, right? And these six-finger, six-toes ones, is that ubiquitous? Is that Does that occur in all of the reports of these bodies?
1:05:09>> No, it doesn't. Um some of them have uh two rows of teeth, some them six six fingers and six toes. What is like I got pretty skeptical about cuz there's a lot of giant reports in America where people were digging up mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical about who I was taking it from like uh you know Joe Farmer I just was like okay I'm you know maybe not.
1:05:27But if the guy was like some of these guys were really good at at what they did and they just say they recorded something and it was So there's probably a dozen solid accounts that are from people that weren't [ __ ] artists had more to lose than they did to gain and some of them were two of them in particular are like good scientists like well-known anthropologists respected in their field and they were finding giant bones.
1:05:50And even today like that guy that I told you about Dr. Don Dragoo there was a an anthropologist right now that like a two or three years ago she debunked his work by claiming that he just did an in-ground measurement and that was it. And it's like he clearly said this indicates an individual that was this tall in life.
1:06:07It's like I did a measurement on this and it indicates that's clearly telling you I didn't just take a dead measurement. They just throw his ass right under the [ __ ] bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's where it's weird to me because I don't think Flint Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about the giant narrative like Rockefeller does.
1:06:27I think it's way more of an ego thing with them because archaeology is not a [ __ ] science Joe. Not even close. It it functions like a science like religion does. So these guys they all know it. They know they're larping as scientists. They know when they when they call us science deniers they're full of [ __ ] So they just have to The only thing they can do is puff their chest because >> Well some of it is science, right?
Archaeology as Science Debate
1:06:47>> sure some of it is but let me let me put it to you like this. >> So why why are you saying >> Archaeology is a study of human culture by material remains. Okay? Now science the cornerstone of science is replicability um arguably. If I combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen we should get the same thing.
1:07:06Now if I dig up something in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you beholding to What if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates and I dig up an arrowhead? You believe one and not the other? >> Right, but you can put protocols in place where you have a bunch of people that are all responsible for making sure that everything goes according to plan.
1:07:25They all report to someone else that are >> But and but how is it replicable? >> Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient remains and they are using >> But they can use some scientific >> carbon dating. >> Absolutely. They're using physics there. But that's physics, right? Um and that's that's what it really comes down to.
1:07:45Um fundamentally, archaeology cannot be scienced any more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe it or you don't. I dug up something in my backyard, you either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either one of these things. >> Right, but you can film people pulling things out of the ground.
1:08:02You can prove that it's old. You can You can >> But there's a lot of instances where like they're doing a construction dig in Mexico City and they find like stone, they stop construction, archaeologists come in. Like there's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's coming from. >> Absolutely. >> So, isn't that kind of scientific?
1:08:21>> Kind of. I mean again, okay, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right? >> [laughter] >> Right. >> But at point it falls apart because of do you believe or do you not? That's what it really comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings. And if you can't replicate the I'm not saying it's worthless.
1:08:40Right. A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist. They know it's not so they use scientific methods. A A video game speed runner, if you know what that is, somebody who's trying to like beat Super Mario Brothers, they use science. >> So, you'll put a an archaeologist more in the line of historian.
1:08:58>> Absolutely. Well, yeah, they are they're Both of them call somebody else when it comes time to carbon date. You know, it's they the the Again, the the the reproducibility is crucial. And like the argument that they always go to is well like well astronomy is not reproducible. If you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that.
1:09:18Well, yeah, except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. So, if this guy's data set and that guy's data set jive, it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead that dug up out of the ground, we either believe that this dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or we don't. And this especially matters when it becomes to these unique one-off finds.
1:09:35Um it's one thing when it's an arrowhead. It's another thing altogether when it's the Antikythera mechanism. >> Right. >> And so, this is where our archaeology becomes some people you could understand why somebody might believe the Antikythera mechanism's [ __ ] And at that point, it's this it goes directly what I'm saying.
1:09:52It's faith-based. Do you Does this Does this coincide with my worldview or not? Which is why archaeology is like this huge split um in between these people that the guys that are that are trying to puff their chests and say that there really is what they claim it to be. And then there's the people that are actually just doing good work.
1:10:10And they'll be quick to tell you, "You know, at the end of the day our results aren't you know, we do science where we can, but we can't say for sure that our results are scientific because we're it's a lot of guesswork at the end." And that becomes a problem when they do things like Clovis First. When they're like, "We're going to use our science to beat everything else off the table."
1:10:31It's not [ __ ] science, [ __ ] So, get it out of here. And that's where Yeah, the same thing like I was saying earlier with the COVID thing. You don't get to Too many of us know what the scientific method is for you just to come in here and tell us it's something else. You just [ __ ] >> Well, when Dibble was trying to deny that they did that.
1:10:46Like deny that archaeologists will attack people that have evidence of something that contradicts their assertions. Like that's crazy to deny. There's so much history of that. >> But he he called it What's so funny when you hear in that debate, he he tells you when you're pushing on him like that, he goes, "Well, that's an example of an academic debate.
1:11:09Those things happen." It's like, dude, Okay, that same guy I was telling you about, Ales Hrdlicka, that racist son of a [ __ ] with the Giants, before he believed that there were no people in the Americas before 3,000 years ago. And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition, it still says now that any archaeologist desirous of a successful career could not posit an earlier date for the peopling of the Americas or him and one other dude would destroy their [ __ ] careers.
1:11:34This isn't the first time it's been going >> It's ego. >> It Well, it's again >> It's and it's men mostly, right? It's human men and their egos and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information. >> I'm an ex >> I'm the authority. I'm the authority figure. >> Yeah. >> Oh, imagine imagine the the the shot to the ego it takes with to be a guy like Flint.
1:11:54You study all your time and you study all this crap and then Graham comes along and he studies and he writes he writes a fake history and you write a fake history and his sells more. Oh, man. That's just going to cry right up right up in his ass. And it does. >> just don't like also that someone comes along and they're super obsessed with a subject and they're not confined by the academic world where they have to get funding to do certain studies, they have to get things approved, they want to get
1:12:24tenure, they have to get the approval of the higher-ups. There's all sorts of stuff that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in the world of the Jimmy Corsettis and the Luke Caverns and these people that could just go to places and start filming. You know, Ben Van Kerkwyk can just go places and start filming and become huge experts in this stuff.
1:12:42I mean, the the the information that's available about the Old Kingdom, about all these things, it's all available. Like anyone can read it if you take the time and if you really dive into it. And these guys have dove into it. And a lot of these other guys haven't. And that's the thing. And they're a little lazy.
1:12:56It Maybe not lazy, but let's say this, not as obsessed. So, they should look at the Ben Van Kerkwyks as a resource. >> Thank you. I I've been saying this one for a long time, but they do the opposite. I'll give you a perfect example. Jimmy Corsetti 2 years ago on X posts I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible were the Denisovans or Neanderthal or something like that.
1:13:16At the time they didn't know Denisovans were taller than us. So, all the archaeologists, "Oh, Jimmy's stupid. The The Nephilim were supposed to be taller than us, and both of these species are shorter." And I even said, I'm like, "I'll just let this go a couple days, and I'm going to show you guys what you're doing wrong."
1:13:29And I let him go at it, and then I was like, "Okay, let's try this. As a science communicator, let's try it like this. Hey Jim, those ones are shorter than humans, but there are other species of archaic hominid like Gigantopithecus that were taller than us that might fit the bill. Why don't you look into that and see what you find."
1:13:44You take somebody's passion, they're looking at the rabbit hole, you shove them in headfirst. That's science communication. Telling them the rabbit hole ain't [ __ ] there, clover your That's being a [ __ ] >> Well, I also think we should all operate all human beings under this assumption. We don't have all the evidence for all the humans that lived.
1:14:03We just don't. We only have a tiny fraction. We have fossilized remains, especially when [ __ ] gets really old. We don't have enough data. >> Yeah. >> And if you just operate on we don't have enough data, which is pure, pure. Everyone should agree on that. >> That's >> So, once you have it and then say, "Okay, this is the data we have, and this points to the fact that new humans are emerging that we're finding, and we might be wrong about the number that existed.
1:14:32And potentially there could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or wherever, and they find another bone. And they go, "Holy [ __ ] what is this one? This is a totally different kind of person." And now you have another one. And you have another one. And who knows how many of them there were. And this will give us a richer understanding of what took place.
1:14:51And then, I think Michael Button has a really good video where he's talking about how anatomically human anatomically similar humans existed a long time ago. Like, why would we assume that civilization and complex thinking and tool making and technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years when the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago.
1:15:19Isn't it possible that something some some human a long time ago had figured out some stuff and we have no evidence no evidence of it anymore because of just natural wear and the weathering and the earth absorbs things and there's nothing left. >> Yeah. >> That seems more logical. >> Yeah. I I completely agree.
1:15:37Yeah. I I love Mikey. He's great. Uh Michael Button, yeah, he's he's great. It's one of the things I honestly I'd just a really quickly that's I've loved watching the last year and a half since I've been on here left while you just kind of went through my litany of friends and stuck them in this chair one after the [ __ ] other.
1:15:51Man, it's like, hey, that's Luke. Hey, I know I know Chuck. I know I know like, hey. That was really good to see, man. Um >> Yeah. >> But uh >> Fun. It's a fun time. It's fun time to get cool people to talk about cool [ __ ] >> And and and the the passion that these guys have. Like you say, that's honestly um it's a huge thing.
1:16:06You know, Duncan gave me a really good uh really good compliment. Duncan Trussell saying that I was like that I was all passionate like a [ __ ] um Well, what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff? The old old school Sir Isaac Newton. And I was like, damn, I don't think I'm like that, but thank you.
1:16:23Uh probably got as many chemicals in my body, but um >> Was Isaac Newton a tripper? >> No, no, he was a uh he was an alchemist. So, he like died of mercury poisoning. >> Did he really? >> He This is one of the funniest things I love saying this one on Twitter. I say it once every couple years. It just went The world we live in now where they'll take a scientist and they'll say like, "Yeah, but this guy's political opinions are all skewed, so [ __ ] this guy."
1:16:45It's like, "You know what they would have done with Sir Isaac?" We wouldn't have the theory of gravity or calculus. It'd have been like, "Yeah, that guy denies the Trinity and he's [ __ ] an alchemist." Why would I put up with this crazy guy's [ __ ] It's like it's >> Yeah. >> Yeah, but yeah, it's it's this is one of the things I've actually come to a lot of terms with on my own little searching in this community is that there's a lot of people that I disagree with on [ __ ] 80% but that 20% that
1:17:13they're if they bring honest data to the table >> Yeah. >> Like and my best example of this is goes all the way back to the 1880s, Carl Christian Rafn or the 1830s even. He was an anthropologist. He was he believed that the Norse discovered America before Columbus. And the reason he believed this was because every time he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's like, "Man, them dumb Indians didn't know how to carve no [ __ ] rocks."
1:17:37Granted all their weapons are made out of stone, but anyway, they don't know how to make this. So, must have been a white guy. So, he does research, research, research, research and eventually finds out that it was the Norse that be Now, he was pissing up a rope with his [ __ ] ev- line of evidence, but he did honest research and he got his real data.
1:17:53>> Right. >> So, I'm I'm finding a lot that I just have to like, "I really don't like you, but okay, what what do you got to say?" >> This is a part of the problem with the Atlantis thing and this is why guys like Flint always connect it to racism because there were a group of people that were white supremacists that believed that the white race was responsible for Atlantis, but those those are not like credible historians.
1:18:15These are also not in the same group of people as Graham or you or Ben Van Kerk or any of these people. No one is saying that. So, to connect people to something like Atlantis where there are problematic people that believe something that was racist, just because you're talking about Atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's in investigating Atlantis is also problematic and racist.
1:18:39That's crazy. >> Well, they say well it encourages racism and I I always jump with they go well do you see how many their evidence do you see how many white supremacist site this stuff and I always I always go well do you see how many white supremacist site all kinds of statistics poverty and crime and all these other things should we should we get rid of all of these statistics too we should just quit anything that a white supremacist might use do you remember is the Mac Tonight commercial with the
1:19:03the big the McDonald's Moon Man? >> No. >> Do you do you want to remember years ago but we were kids in the 80s when I was a kid in the 80s it's they had a big Moon Man guy that was singing a Mac the Knife parody when the clock strikes half past six babe time to head for golden lines okay about 15 years ago they started using a thing with like some weird voice chat and this guy is and making racist memes.
1:19:28Does that mean that McDonald's is [ __ ] racist or does it just mean that racist will co-opt [ __ ] anything including Pepe the frog? >> Pepe the frog is the best example. >> That poor guy who made Pepe the frog >> [laughter] >> That guy was like that's not me. >> And so but so and that's and that's exactly what these guys do man we can't talk about anything without it being racist it's like dude >> Well that's just a way to dismiss you.
1:19:54>> It's it's a way to weaponize and to drag other people in. >> Yeah. >> Hey man this guy is calling talking [ __ ] about the pyramids yeah whatever oh he's also racist oh [ __ ] we got 5% of them came over cool. >> Yeah. >> It's yeah it's really pathetic and um you know in all honesty you know I get [ __ ] during election cycles from friends and from fans that for not supporting X Y or Z and I always tell them the same thing look with the most of the third or [ __ ] Seti the second I talk about
Politics, Social Media and Tribalism
1:20:22ancient history [ __ ] I'm not talking about modern politics that's not what I'm doing it's not and I'm certainly not going to endorse somebody on my platform as a matter of fact why do you care what Beyonce says about this issue why do you care about any of these [ __ ] These people aren't political analysts.
1:20:36Why do you care that much? Why are you crawling up my ass about well, yeah, but you know, you've got the it people want People want us to all be towing a certain It's It's funny. I I swear to God what It's like the whole country's got like probably a third of us are little Hitlers. The whole world would be better if everybody just thought just like me.
1:20:54It's like [ __ ] Christ. [laughter] >> And they think they're the open-minded compassionate ones. It's really weird. It's But it's just the nature of the tribal world that we're living in right now and it's so divided. And this is one of the giant problems with social media. And I think it's great that everyone has an opinion.
1:21:08And I think it's great that everyone gets to express their opinion. It doesn't mean that you should listen. It doesn't mean you should absorb it. It doesn't mean that it's a a valid opinion. You'll find the valid opinions, but you have to sort through the bad ones. And this is how it's always going to be.
1:21:23It's always going to be that have people have a take on it that you fiercely disagree with. People have the least charitable view of this person or this idea or this thing. You're always going to have a spectrum of ideas. And you have to allow it. That's how it is. And you have to counter that with a better perspective.
1:21:40That's it. And if you're coming at it from you want to silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you, especially on something as complex as ancient history, like that seems like you're doing a bad thing. That seems like you're denying the resource of all these obsessed people. >> Yeah. It's I I just you're I com- completely agree with you.
1:22:02As a matter of fact, >> they're getting something wrong, like yeah, have a conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong. But but be good faith about it. >> The The Society for American Archaeology's original bylaws, their very first law was their intention was to uh cultivate a better relationship between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists and to offer help when requested to those interested amateurs.
1:22:32They're doing neither one of those things right now. Number one, they are pissing all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs and the professional archaeologists. They can't even talk to each other anymore. >> Well, don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden they come to the forefront.
1:22:48And they're making money off of it. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. >> [laughter] >> When he found out that I had supporters, he lost his [ __ ] People pay him money for that. OH MY [ __ ] GOD. >> [laughter] >> SILLY. SILLY TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT it's like also like just YouTube revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kerkwyk's videos get millions of views, you know?
1:23:06Like there's there's real money in it. And they're not making money. >> No. Not not like that. No. >> got to be pissed. >> It's I'm sure that's part of >> to school for this. >> But the other thing I And again, in that bylaws, it says to offer help when requested to interested amateurs. When's the last time Graham Hancock asked one of these [ __ ] suckers for their opinion?
1:23:23They don't. They just they they give him the help whether he wants it or not. >> Yeah. >> They they've completely lost the plot. Even >> Well, it's the problem is the way they frame it. Like when they were talking about his Netflix show being one of the most dangerous shows on television. How is it dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization?
1:23:40That seems insane. >> Dude, they're their egos are at the Have you ever read that letter from that to that they wrote to Netflix? Okay, do you They had three problems, right? And they list them one, two, three. Now, you would assume these are professional archaeologists and they're talking about Graham Graham Hancock.
1:23:58You would assume number one is he got a bunch of [ __ ] wrong. >> Right. >> No, number one is he talks [ __ ] about archaeologists and he doesn't listen to us. That was number one. It was They couldn't even hide their ego in the [ __ ] list. It's like It's just they're >> Also not true. >> They're petulant children.
1:24:12I swear to [ __ ] god. >> Also not true. >> Yeah. >> He listens. >> Oh, dude. He puts them on the The difference is he doesn't wants to deal with the guy. If you're going to come in and just poopoo everything and say no, that's not true. No, that's not true. No, that's not true. Well, then yeah, you're not going to you you he I'm not going to put up with that [ __ ] You guys have an actual conversation with me, sure.
1:24:31But if you're just >> the other two problems? >> The other two problems, one was that he was wrong. And the other one was that it promotes white supremacy. >> [laughter] >> And and the the the best part about that is they say because this this theory that the exact wording is this theory dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly, blah blah blah.
1:24:50Ignatius Donnelly was a left he was liberal as [ __ ] He was a feminist and an abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in the 1800s. He's racist as [ __ ] by modern standards, right? Just like all the archaeologists were back then. But don't don't bother with that. They pick him and they say this guy's the one that started the problem.
1:25:07He's the one that created this theory. But you go back 20 years and Augustus Le Plongeon and uh some other dude I I'm losing his name right now, but there were two French-Americans that believed that the Maya had conquered were the Atlanteans, that the Maya had conquered the world, that the Maya were the master race if you're going to look at it that way.
1:25:27But they're going to ignore that when they submit this stuff to Netflix because it doesn't They wanted to make it sound like this entire [ __ ] was created to support white supremacy when it was actually not. But they So, my my my point here is in a debate where it constantly revolves around you guys are lying about our past, they lie about what happened 15 [ __ ] minutes ago on the internet where we can all see it and then they wonder why we are like, "Ha, you guys do lie about the
1:25:55[ __ ] boneheads." Sorry. >> So, this [laughter] this guy, what was his theory? The first guy that is problematic even though he's a liberal and a feminist. >> Oh, well, he believed that it it was white supremacy he believed that uh the three biblical races um if you know you're aware of that, like Noah's three kids.
1:26:11Um Sam is the Semitic race, the Hamite race was the Africans, and then the other one ended up being the the Aryans, that was the white people. Um and uh these three biblical races have biblical racism, they call it. It's been like a thing for thousand years. But uh he he just clung to that idea that it was basically these races of of after post-Noah and all this.
1:26:36So, like uh you know the story with Noah? Like he got drunk afterwards? >> No. >> Oh, could you pull Could you might want to pull this up, Jimmy. No, like after it's all done, Noah gets all drunk, and he's like laying around naked, and one of his sons laughs at him, and one of the one of them doesn't, so like he curses the lowest of them, and then he praises the highest.
1:26:53And when you see the the Bible verse, it was like, "You're going to be the servants to this one, and he can sleep in your tent whenever he wants." And you could see why this was used to promote uh racial superiority. It did >> Oh, right. >> But uh it's it it That's where it came from. So, if they really wanted to, they could have been saying the Bible created racism, and that was a problem.
1:27:16>> But it's also very silly to connect the idea of ancient civilizations to one person. That's so silly. >> It's so silly. >> It's so silly. When you're talking about evidence all over the world, where we're talking about Baalbek, we're talking about the Maya, we're talking about the Egyptians, we're talking about all over the world, and you're going to connect it to white supremacy.
1:27:35Isn't it more plausible that we don't know what happened? >> Just a little bit. I mean but you got to understand, these guys are the ones that follow like I I I break your rules, I mean I argue with the people in the trenches, right? And the guys that follow Flint Dible, they'll all the time they'll make fun of you.
1:27:53You believe in lost civilizations. And my answer is, "Do you think we found every civilization?" Oh, no. So, you're just throwing around stupid [ __ ] just talking crap. >> Well, the idea that there'd be evidence left over other than the stuff that we've already found. Like, what are you looking for that's 100,000 years old?
1:28:10It doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on 100,000 years ago. And it seems like there was definitely something going on at least 12,000 years ago. So, that [ __ ] up our whole timeline. >> Oh, yeah. >> And they want to still attribute that to hunter-gatherers just for convenience. The idea that the Göbeklitepe structures were made by hunter-gatherers, like why would they do that?
1:28:31>> Yeah. >> How did they do that? How come they didn't make houses, but they made that stuff? How come? >> Yeah, well, it's that's a tough one, man. You know, uh >> What were their tools? >> They're looking at uh you know, Karahan Tepe, they're actually talking about covering that again. Like they're having like they did at Göbeklitepe, which is [ __ ] I don't know if you know megalithomania, uh Hugh Newman.
1:28:48If you um he's um he he he's There are not a lot of people that I would would mention on your show, but he's definitely one of them. He's he's he's a badass. He's been doing this forever. And uh he's doing all this archaeoastronomy work out there at Karahan Tepe, and they're covering They're getting ready to cover it.
1:29:04And he's just going uh >> Why are they covering it? >> Well, they're claiming it's to for tourism, to protect the site and all this. And >> you think it is? >> I don't know. It might That might well be it. Um I do know that >> it protect the site though? If you don't allow people >> You don't want it.
1:29:18I don't know. >> But it's stone, right? >> Yeah, I mean, honestly >> [sighs and gasps] >> honestly, it it it gets weird when you look at the third world because or poorer countries like that because, you know, my iPhone could feed a family over there for a month. So, it's like these guys are going to do They've got a different set of priorities than us.
1:29:37>> Right. >> So, >> But wouldn't you think that more things getting exposed would equal more tourism, which would equal more revenue? >> Yes and no. Um I did a video a while back about Zahi Hawass being a heel, like uh like a wrestling heel. Uh deliberate I do I'm 100% on this. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah.
1:29:55I'm not saying that he doesn't to do shady [ __ ] I'm saying that he plays the villain. Um I'll give you a uh some examples. There's a a clip of him after shortly after Arab Spring. He's talking about how to increase tourism. He has two things. He says, "One, you don't want tourists from any old country.
1:30:13You want Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans. You don't want the rest. You want people to come in and change your world." Second thing is, "Doesn't matter what's happening in Egypt. Those new age people, they come. Doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring. Doesn't matter if tourism's down by 40%. Those new age people, they come."
1:30:33He's So, then "Did they find something? Yes, I found it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did." It's you're Come and investigate. Come and investigate. Come and look. Come and see for yourself. Come and pop into those little holes and look for yourself.
1:30:47Go Go look at the place that I told you there was not I think, honestly, that's his whole reason that he's playing it to the hilt. And I think Lee Clare's doing the same thing right now. If you watch Lee Clare on >> I don't know who that is. >> Lee Clare is the archaeologist in charge of Göbeklitepe.
1:31:01He's a big, big dude down there. And if you look at him on Twitter, he's doing the exact same thing. He's constantly arguing He's picking at Jimmy. I actually blocked the guy. I don't block many scientists, but I that aren't constantly antagonistic towards me. He was at Every day I'd wake up and he's talking [ __ ] about me.
1:31:16He's just pissing everybody off. And the whole point, in my opinion, is to make it where people want to come and look at what you're If you Something's being hidden, you have to have a villain hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone. So, like, what the [ __ ] is Zahi Hawass? Think about it. What is Zahi Hawass hiding?
1:31:33Is that a crazy statement to make? No, it's not. And I think he cultivated that. I think that's an image that he made to increase tourist revenue. >> So, you think he created this character to make it so that people want to combat against him and then go there and see and look around? >> Spend money.
Egyptian Mummies and Black Market
1:31:50Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I don't think that's the whole >> I think you went a little too tinfoil hat. I think [laughter] it's a little more simple than that. I think he's been in control of the narrative there for a long time. and there's also some weird stuff with things missing. >> Oh, no, I'm not saying that he didn't steal stuff.
1:32:06>> The weird stuff with things missing is like you would want to really control the narrative if like skeletons that you reported discovering, then you say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't there one of those in one of the sarcophaguses? >> Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that one. >> There was an original story from like the '80s that they found the skeleton and they're just >> No, no skeleton.
1:32:29>> And the problem is what we were talking about before, that there are wealthy people that will pay you an enormous amount of money for the skeleton. So, if you got some dude, you know, he's got Saudi Arabian money and he's like, "You know what would be dope? I want a [ __ ] Egyptian mummy in my house, you know?"
1:32:43And people had them. I mean, this was a thing that people were eating them. Yes. [laughter] Yes. Yes. >> God. >> What? >> told Danny Jones that, he's like, "WHAT THE [ __ ] PULL THAT UP NOW." >> [laughter] >> YEAH, people would have these mummy unwrapping parties at their homes, these very wealthy people, and they would eat the mummies.
1:33:04>> I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended up in similar >> I know, but like whose house? How many houses? Who are these people? Like how does no one tell on them? >> I don't know, but I mean, you look at what You know, 5 years ago I would have said, "Dude, I don't know about all this, man." But now you look at that island, you're like, >> What would you do?
1:33:22Somebody gave you an elongated skull, would you give it to a museum? Like what would you do? Like if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian skulls that are crazy without the sagittal suture, you're looking at the enormous brain capacity, the size of the head, like what the the size of the eye sockets.
1:33:37>> I had scientist after scientist finger [ __ ] that thing till we got somewhere. >> Right, but would you bring it somewhere where other people could see it? Would you allow the scientist to take control of it and to take hold of it? Because this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, you know, he's had some real issues with that.
1:33:55>> Yeah. >> Where they'll take bones and then they'll go, "Oh, no. Never getting them back." >> Yeah, and they'll end up in a pile at the bottom of the harbor. >> Yeah, and he won't eat But, this is before his time, but yeah, they did that. Was that the American Museum of Natural History? Was that it?
1:34:07So, the The thing he does now is like if you want to do work on these bones, you got to come to Alaska. >> Yeah. >> And he built a whole scientific research building and >> Well, it makes sense. >> Yeah. He's like, "I don't trust any motherfuckers." >> Hell, you know where the Baghdad Battery is right now, don't you?
1:34:24>> Where? >> Nobody knows. It was grabbed by alphabet boys at the beginning of the 2000s. When we still >> Which alphabet boys? >> Ours. >> But, which one? >> Our. >> [laughter] >> I'm not sure. >> Might be one we don't even know about. >> Right. All I know is it was All I'm just going to say I doubt that the soldier that went in there had decided he wanted that thing for himself.
1:34:41>> Right. >> Uh but I Speaking of the Baghdad Battery, I got a cool little theory on that. I don't know if you ever seen that, but uh I don't think it was for electricity. I think it was to separate metal. If you were to use for the electrolyte, if you were to take mine runoff that had like gold and silver and copper and iron and nickel and magnemi- all that [ __ ] and you put it in that that thing, after a while, that exact cell that we had, the copper would build would have a buildup of gold,
1:35:05copper, and silver. All the other [ __ ] would go to the bottom. >> Mhm. >> So, you could It would I think it was a way for them to like >> Separate. >> And And I think that it the discovery of this would be super easy. Drop a copper coin and a metal nail into a puddle of that and come back in 2 days, and you're going to see the buildup of gold on that coin.
1:35:22And so, this explains why inside of the thing, like there's no residue at all, which is one of the reasons they say it didn't happen. Well, they were harvesting the residue, is my in my opinion. And this is why you couldn't actually trace amounts. >> Uh even if they were hard to >> Now, that's where it would be nice to test it now.
1:35:37It hasn't been looked at in a long time. You know, it hasn't been been hard It hasn't been tested for anything in a long >> is it? >> It's gone. It's in somebody It's right next to those skulls and those mummies. It's on some dude's shelf that will >> Really? >> Yes. a >> of a street mummy seller in 1875.
1:35:53>> Jesus Christ. [laughter] >> So this article in the bomb big thing was saying that this was so popular from 1200 to about 18 or sorry the 12th century to 18th century that they kind of ran out of mummies. >> Yeah. >> Yo. >> And can you imagine you could fly over there and pick up a mummy? >> Well that's before these parties were even happening.
1:36:11They thought this was a medicine. >> corner over there. >> They thought it was medicine? >> Yeah, mummia. >> And imagine >> about this once before but there's these This [ __ ] exists all over the place. >> And I wonder if any of them would have been better than Khufu's. >> Go to lot 99 apothecary antiques.
1:36:27>> Oh. >> Right up there in upper left. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Look at that. It's apothecary. So this is like medicine. Mummia. So it's like mummy juice. >> This article gets [ __ ] gross. >> Mummy powder. Sprinkle it on your steak. >> there was so much they were so popular for a long time they disappeared kind of.
1:36:46It was hard to get them so they started forging mummy bodies. >> How dark is it that >> people bought all the dead bodies. >> Not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine. Some doctors believed that fresh meat and blood had a vitality the long dead lacked. Those guys went to the island.
1:37:05>> Napoleon was bringing them [snorts] back and then they would have some parties quote unquote parties. But [laughter] that was just still like they were doing like research almost if you could say like some medicine research and then that didn't [clears throat] last. It was like 30 years of that and then they just started having actual parties.
1:37:17To show how rich you were that >> I thought >> Hold up. Pause right here. 1834 the surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons. In his time autopsies and operations took place in public and this unwrapping was just another public medical event. Soon af- soon even the pretense of medical research was lost.
1:37:38By now mummies were no longer medicinal but thrilling. A dinner host who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough to own an actual mummy. The thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people flocked to these unwrappings, whether in a private home or the theater of a learned society.
1:37:59Strong drink meant audiences were loud and appreciative. >> And then at some point they tried to say that you were getting cursed by doing this. >> Oh yeah, for sure. >> But then the people that followed two didn't comment to him, did they all die? >> That's what this comes up with next is sudden comment.
1:38:15>> Yeah. >> Sudden death of Lord Carnarvon. >> Mhm. >> Well, I mean you can understand why people would think that too. I mean you're you're going around and and not just defiling the grave, man. You eat the [ __ ] Come on. >> So [laughter] it might there might be something to a curse like that. >> I I >> Especially if you believe it.
1:38:36>> That's the problem. That's how I I think voodoo really works. If you really believe that someone could put a hex on you, you're like, "Oh, no." >> I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that. She was telling me about practical magic. >> Look at this. Today the black market of antiquity smuggling, including mummies, is worth about $3 billion.
1:38:57So today >> Still going. >> market right now, $3 billion a year. >> A year? >> Is that a year? >> That's a lot. >> Yeah, that's a fortune. >> That's a fortune in just in [ __ ] that should be in a museum. $3 billion a year. >> Yeah. >> It just makes sense when we think see people that are just [ __ ] insane.
1:39:16And they're rich and they just want a thing that no one That's like the whole thing about like rhino horn, right? They want to drink rhino horn tea because nobody could get it because it's illegal. >> Yep. >> You guys were talking about the Rockefellers earlier and I thought there's a museum started in Jerusalem where they're the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum.
1:39:36>> Mhm. >> They had 60,000 artifacts dating back to 2 million years ago. >> Whoa. >> Including a a reported 100,000 year-old skeleton almost complete. >> Damn. >> Whoa. >> What happened? >> Uh they also had another one that was 6,500 years old that a while ago was being reported as Noah. Um >> [laughter] >> This is where the Dead Sea Sea Scrolls were for a while until they were taken over and then moved to a the Dead Sea Scrolls uh a different museum now that Israel's been officially formed cuz they were
1:40:06there when it wasn't actually officially Israel, I guess. >> Wow. >> And there's a a copper scroll I just stumbled across I didn't know about that was moved to Amman and is now part of the Jordan Museum. >> Wow. >> So it's one of the Dead Sea Scrolls. >> It's one of the scrolls that looks made out of metal and tin.
1:40:25>> That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls? >> Mhm. >> And it was made out of copper? Whoa. Well, that's a replica. >> Well, that part is probably I guess, but yeah, it said it was found in Cave 3. >> Mhm. >> Where everything else is written on parchment, this was written on metal. >> Holy [ __ ] That's insane.
1:40:43>> Copper mixed with about 1% tin. Although no metallic copper remained in the strips, the action of the centuries had been to convert the metal into brittle oxide. Unlike the others, it's not a literary work, but a list of 64 places where various items of gold and silver were buried or hidden. Not a story, it's a treasure map.
1:41:02>> Wow, a treasure map written on copper. In a day when copper was a treasure. >> Wow. >> And then this is a facsimile as now on display or being displayed. >> There's got to be so much we're missing. >> Oh, so much we're missing. >> So much buried stuff. So much like just think of Sub-Saharan Africa used to be lush and green.
1:41:22Like what is under there? >> Yeah. >> What's under there? >> It's yeah, that's you dead on, exactly. All across There's so many places in the world that are that way if you ask me that's like like Easter Island um when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a lot bigger and it was part of a series of islands that jump from one to the next, you know You know what navels of the world are, right?
1:41:45>> What? >> Navels of the world like uh >> Navel. >> Yeah, like a world like they Yggdrasil, the world tree, right? Like connects the underworlds here and heavens. This idea is super common through it. Cusco had one. The Wailing Wall is one. You're going to go kiss the wall? That's good. That's That's the That's That's a world navel.
1:42:05These are always The Oracle of Delphi, world navel. These are always centers of the society. Right. Jerusalem, Delphi, Cusco. Except for there's one at Easter Island, the far-flung corner of the Polynesian Empire has a world navel. But if you lower the sea levels and look at that as a string of islands, all of a sudden it is the center of the empire.
1:42:26So, I really like that scenario. Out of all the places on the planet, I think Easter Island has the most that if we were to because it's been dug out the least and has a lot there still. I mean, it's It's been looted hard, but it It hasn't been looted like Rome has been or Egypt has been. Not even close.
1:42:44And I think that I think honestly though there's going to be a lot more there the more that we look. I think unfortunately stuff happens too quick. We We find the stuff and two days later it becomes like the Tridactyl mummies. Two days later it becomes a new story. Half the world, like you say, everything's all polarized now.
1:43:01You can It's You can even pick and choose your [ __ ] scientist when it comes to medicine nowadays, Joe. It's It's It's completely polarized. So, when it comes to something like archaeology, hey, [ __ ] who do you want? What What side of the table do you want? You'll find somebody with credentials or close enough that they'll get in line with you.
1:43:18And so >> I'm just talking to a friend of mine about the South American stuff. He said the the cartels are a huge problem cuz they realize this $3 billion thing of They're these antiquities and they're selling stuff to people. >> Luke told me uh Luke Caverns, he told me that he he witnessed that when he was down there.
1:43:36There was a couple of places he went that he couldn't go into because there were guys with guns out in front. >> Oh, wow. So, they realized like, "Hey, someone's going to give me $5 million for this head." >> Yeah. That's That's And so, we again we lose we lose everything. We lose all the context. >> How are they not losing those mummified tridactyl skeletons?
1:43:57>> I'm not really sure. That's a good question. >> You know, I would imagine those are super Imagine we have one of those sitting on the table right here. >> [laughter] >> It'd be pretty cool. >> [ __ ] >> That would be pretty cool. >> I wonder how much we'd have to pay for one of those. >> Um >> Probably quite a bit.
1:44:12>> Well, to that part of the world, you might get away with 250 grand like they did those codices. >> [laughter] >> The Mexican government, like I was saying, they bought those little codices pretty cheap, man. 250 grand is a lot, but it ain't a lot when you start talking about like Well, I said that to Matt Bell, if you know who Matt Bell is.
1:44:24Uh He was like, "That's nothing." Well, of course to him it's nothing, but immediately they got a guy that has the money, it's 250 grand. >> Right. >> [ __ ] put that on my shelf. Frame that [ __ ] >> Meanwhile, he got to probably auction that. >> No, it was a family that was afraid to. And honestly, the family been holding it for like 500 years.
1:44:40And they all honesty, I bet they were afraid I I honest as the way things going on, I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some some strong arming that went on. They're like, "You you can either get paid for it >> Right. Or we take it. [laughter] >> Just like when the mob, do you want paid off for this or do you want beat on the head?
Artifact Sales and Antiquities Trade
1:44:57>> Right. Right. It's just you wonder how much is lost. Like the burning of the Library of Alexandria, all these different instances throughout history, the burning of the codices. Just What is it? >> stuff is from Peru. This is a website that's got art from ancient Peru for sale. >> For sale. >> Yeah.
1:45:13There's tons of interesting stuff here. >> But the question is, how do you know if it's authentic? >> That's a huge >> Cuz there's a lot of this stuff that's counterfeit. Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask. >> It shows the provenance of it. So, this one comes from an archaeologist that from 1938. >> does that cost?
1:45:30>> It says 3,500 or something. I think it said. >> Should we get one? >> 4 4850. >> How big is it? >> I'm not buying one. >> Why Why would you get cursed? >> No, I That's Well, it says $4,850 or something. I'd better be able to drive it around or smoke it once. >> [laughter] >> Egyptian bronze cobra.
1:45:49>> Wow, somebody bought that for 2,000 bucks? Wow. >> Add to cart right now. >> Wow. >> Bam. >> Kind of sick. I was honestly >> from? How old is it? Uh >> 664 to 30 BCE. >> Providence ex-private New York City Egyptologist collection. >> Private New York City. >> Yeah, the providence is weird on all these.
1:46:09It's coming Everything's coming from different places. >> Yeah. It's interesting because that's not that expensive for what it is. You got a piece of Egyptian history. >> Yeah. >> Well, the providence thing's kind of a big deal. If the providence on them solid and it's after a certain date, you can't sell them.
1:46:23>> Show me what that image looks like. >> So, how come you How come this person can sell this? >> Yeah, because the providence is going to come before that date. Like they they're going to have been been found before that date. It's like >> Legally acquired. >> Yes. Mm. >> So, if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet they they'd get you.
1:46:40>> So, the laws are probably much stricter now than when they acquired it. >> There's like It's kind of like assault rifles where there's like a time when you can It's okay to have bought them, but if you bought it after that date, you can't have it. >> Or like pre-ban ivory. >> Thank you. Yeah, same kind of thing.
1:46:55>> It's like if you got that You've had this artifact on your family We're not going to go raiding the Rockefeller shelves, but, you know, the rest of you [ __ ] can't have any new ones. You can get a gold wing deity pendant for 67 grand. >> Gold shaman. >> Yo. Damn, son. Bro. >> looking. >> That's the sickest.
1:47:13What's that from? >> And also, look, he's got them I guess you could say a monkey on top of his head like that. >> two on the side, yeah. >> on the side. >> Why does it say price on a request? >> Uh maybe that's a estimated here and that one is not. >> So when it says uh gold standing shaman, is that actual gold?
1:47:30Made out of gold? >> There it is, 89% gold. >> What? You can just buy that? Well, look how dope it looks. Look at the image on the side. Go to the side view. The other one? >> Uh damn it. Oh, what happened? >> I was like it's made in China. >> Where'd it go? >> Well, it's hollow. >> I'm That's what I'm saying.
1:47:51>> Yeah, that I kind of has to be hollow or it's going to weigh 100 lb. Look at that. What a sick looking thing. Show me the front facing view again. >> That is wild. >> Wild, man. And how old is this supposed to be? [ __ ] that's cool. That would bring you good luck. Put that on your desk. Monkey luck.
1:48:13>> Oh, man. This thing's got some nipples. >> Oh, does he Oh, when I was looking at the things hanging around his I hope he doesn't have trophy skulls. >> Could be. Yeah, looks like they're his hands. >> Looks like those are cups, but they're faces. >> They look like they're standing on the heads of the >> They do look like heads.
1:48:29>> Yeah. >> Does he have two heads in his hands? >> He's got way more than five fingers. >> Yeah. >> He's got seven. >> Yeah. >> Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb. >> Again, you can meet that guy three hits of DMT. >> [laughter] >> He is He's out [snorts] there. >> Like >> Show me the the face forward version of the top.
1:48:46>> This one's been in Alabama for a while, Ted. >> Wow. Crazy. I'm sorry, and how old is it again? >> That's what I was trying to look up. Uh I don't >> 500 to 1528 Either way, that's nuts. >> Yeah, that's pretty interesting. >> 100 and You could put it on a chain. >> Weighs 148 g. What's that in a pound?
1:49:14>> Uh No, I don't think it's a lot. 28. >> Cuz we're all doing weed math now. >> I'll tell you >> [laughter] >> so it's like probably like even half a pound maybe. >> We're all doing weed math. Okay. What is 128 g in pounds? Yeah, 0.28 lb. >> Quarter of a pound. >> It's wow. >> Pretty sick. >> That is cool.
1:49:39>> Just makes you wonder like what what were they trying to what is that? What is that guy? Is that a guy you see when you trip? Cuz it seems like it. Especially he's all gold. It seems like something you would see if you're tripping. >> Yeah, a lot of that stuff See, a lot of it gets really difficult for me because then I I I wonder about like iconography and it's like, you know, somebody could look at something like that belt and be like, I wonder what the symbolism is behind that belt.
1:50:05At the end of the day, it's like no no symbolism. It's just it looks cool, man. >> Or a mascot for a team, you know. >> Exactly. Why why is everybody worshipping this >> What's Mackenzie doing? >> [laughter] >> Why is everybody making the bull horns at the UT game? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But but but some of these things, you know, are clearly, you know, religious and spiritual and and stand the test of time like um there's a lot of the the honoring of people with deformations down there went
1:50:33for thousands of years. I mean, this went from the Olmec all the way up till the time that the Spaniards show up. >> I think what's really fascinating is there's so many things that point to South >> America. So many things that point particularly to Peru. So many things. When you look at the megalithic architecture, especially the oldest stuff, the weird crazy shapes, and then you also look at the elongated heads, and then you also look at the artwork that you know only see from the sky and
1:51:02Like how many of these [ __ ] things do you have to see before you went, "What was going on here?" >> You should look at some of the their textiles that they made in Paracas like I showed that little monkey thing. >> Uh-huh. >> Those guys were so good. If you don't mind pulling up a picture of Paracas textiles, Jamie, they were so [ __ ] amazing that these like when I first read about them, I was like, "Meh."
1:51:22And then I looked at some pictures, and these are like they're otherworldly. These to think that these things were being made of over a thousand years ago, 2,000 years ago. When you when you see them, they are they're a bunch of little people with just feathers pointed to one side like they're in motion, dancing and [ __ ] Um like pick uh that like that one you're on right now, Jamie.
1:51:42It's a great one. >> This one here? >> Uh no, the the the that yellow one you were hovering over. The ones with the people. Look at That's a textile. Look at that [ __ ] 2,000 years old. Look at [ __ ] how beautiful that is. How well-made that is. >> Again, you can see that if you trip. >> Yeah. Again, >> It's very >> [laughter] >> It's very trippy, right?
1:51:59Like it's It's very psychedelic looking. >> It's very psychedelic, but then you consider that that same culture was doing all these brain surgeries, they were doing the lines on the ground you were talking about, they're modifying skulls, they were building things, they were and they had people the artisans like this this was a culture This was a full-blown civilization that was above and beyond anything that we'd given credit to at this time.
1:52:23I mean, look at Yeah, definitely DMT looking, but also holy [ __ ] man. Look at how artistic that is. >> I know. Look at the little faces that are coming out of his whatever the [ __ ] wrapped around his [laughter] nose. >> Yeah. That boy's having a bad trip. >> It's wild. >> It is. >> Wild art. >> And beautiful.
1:52:42So beautiful and so uh like like everything else in that culture, they were just it just seemed to be so massively ahead of all their contemporaries. Um again, they they had that symbol that that Paracas Candelabra is visible 12 miles out to sea. >> Right. >> And you could think about hopping down the coast looking for that.
1:53:01You could think about guys from Easter Island looking for that or from Polynesia looking for that. We've got DNA that supports all that. There's a genetic drift both directions. It looks like people went from Easter Islands to to Peru and then back is what it looks like according to the genetics. >> And that was the big sign.
1:53:17Like, welcome. >> Yeah, I I That's my thinking. I mean, and again, it's like here here we're we're mingling all Even if it was just here is the guys from the islands and here's the guys from up north and here's us. It's still it seems like a symbol of like a mixing to me, like a convergence. Um and the DNA stuff again, that's where it really all got me going on it because it's just you pick your genetic deformation and you see it there.
1:53:42It Like again, with the back of the skull, that's just to me it's like smoking gun. It's like, why were they doing this? Well, here's a very solid real explanation. And then think about like the evolutionary arms race. This culture is working on bigger brains that can that that has all the intelligence of this species and the ability to see and hear that this species has.
1:54:02And we're trying to get the best of both worlds and these guys aren't. You're going to get wiped out by us in 1,000 years, 5,000, 10,000. Evolution's going to kill you off and prop these up. I think it happened all over the [ __ ] world and Paracas is just the last place that was still doing it. But I think that that elongated skulls, that's why we see it all over the world.
1:54:20As soon as humans As soon as Homo sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger brains than us in the back started mingling, I think this was like a requirement. >> This is all post Younger Dryas impact, too. >> Um right right around that's like the oldest skulls that we know of are around 10,000 BC. >> The oldest.
1:54:40>> Yes. That we know of are in the oldest elongated >> Yes, just right at the right right afterwards. >> In China. >> So, that's the other part of the question. It's like if there was a cataclysmic event that wiped out vast chunks of civilization, how much was left? Like what how much how much survived?
1:55:00Cuz it seemed like South America didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts of Europe and Asia, right? >> Yeah, and Africa was almost unscathed. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Comparably, at least according to the megafaunas, right? >> Right, which is so what's that gets real weird. >> It does.
1:55:16>> It's like so okay, did those were those people down in South America fine? And what happened? Was that where advanced civilization existed on Earth in the only place? Because advanced civilization these other places have been wiped out? >> Yeah, that's that's honestly I think that that makes the most sense to me.
1:55:32They were like >> Then what happened to them? That's the real question. >> Well, the Paracas people, what happened before the flood? >> Well, what happened to the people that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the society that existed? Like was it just time? >> Yeah, I think so. They they still had, you know, by the time of the of the Spanish showing up the Inca were still doing those trepanations on the skull so well that they were up to an 80% survival rate.
1:55:57The Civil War was about 40% by the way. Like our Civil War doctors, in American Civil War, the only Civil War, our doctors were about a 40% about half as good as the Inca at drilling holes in heads and letting somebody through. I mean, [ __ ] dude. >> And why were they drilling holes in heads? >> Same reason, because it relieved pressure.
1:56:14So like like I'm saying that they were doing it as one of the reasons to relieve the pressure from a headache, but if you just get it somebody hit you in the head hard enough, you're going to swell up in the brain, you got to relieve pressure, so they drill a hole to get it out. Um this was uh Yeah, yeah, a lot of the musket balls that didn't kill a man outright would leave a water on the brain kind of thing, so they'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure.
1:56:38Oy. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's It's ugly when you I would not want to have If I would have got shot in the Civil War battlefield knowing what I know now, I'd say just [ __ ] shoot me right here. Finish the job. >> And so my my question is like why don't we see people that live in Peru with larger heads and the skulls today.
1:56:58Probably because it's illegal to do it. Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing or is it a deformation thing, uh you know, manipulated thing on top of a cranial deformation that's natural? >> Uh yeah. Now, if it was the partial natural cranial deformation, I think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller and smaller and a less of a pronounced issue.
1:57:17Um as uh those like we were shown those bones in the back that basically do the the playin stuff. I think that over time that that we would evolve more accommodating things for it, but that it's still I mean we still have people that have those Chiari malformations today. You know, that CAT scan wasn't from 2,000 years ago.
1:57:35People still have this issue. But um I think that over time, you know, the ones that were too bad at it, their brains are just too [ __ ] big, they're going to die off. And honestly, I think that there was probably some of that Incan type of clan warfare going on. Now, that's just complete speculation, but I mean there was some you know, I don't know There was something about a thousand years ago that caused all the cliff dwellers and all that [ __ ] Like there was None of these people lived in
1:58:03the cliff dwellings like 2,000 years ago and then they all moved into the cliffs and they all stayed for like a hundred years and they came back out. Like there was some war going on. You'd see a tribe of about 5,000 people would split up into a bunch of little bands of 500 or 200 or at the most 50. The Gila Cliff Dwellings they say had about 60 people that lived in them.
1:58:2060. It's nothing. And they came from a place about a thousand. >> So, you think they were trying to survive raiders? >> that it was pretty clearly warfare. Um And an interesting side note, something that I've never I went to the Gila Cliff Dwellings when I came through here last month and I drove a buddy of mine, we drove through New Mexico and and the big old oil fields of Texas.
1:58:43And we stopped at the Gila Cliff Dwellings. And so, I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it and they redacted that the artifacts and [ __ ] are redacted. It looks like reading a [ __ ] Epstein list emails. It's just like black bar, black bar, black bar, black bar. And what am I looking for?
1:58:59Just what they found. And >> And this is just the people that lived in the cliffs? >> Yeah. >> Like why would they redact >> Oh, that that's the ar- archaeologists that This is the peer-reviewed archeologies like the papers that they submitted afterwards. They just because of what they found. That the explanation given is they redact information so that people don't go digging up [ __ ] right?
Gila Cliff Dwellings and Redacted Reports
1:59:19So they're like, okay, except for in the same paper it says we didn't dig here and we think there's artifacts here a few different times. They're redacting the things that they found and the people that took them. And then on some occasions where they were found. It's and it's not the only thing in South in the Southwest that's that way.
1:59:36The more I look, I see it's fairly common. >> Why do you think they're doing that? >> They're finding something they don't want people to know. Maybe they're selling on the black market would be the most obvious explanation, but like the most mundane, but when it becomes a ubiquitous problem It's uh you So the the short answer is the same as why they cover up the [ __ ] on the Epstein list, to cover it up, to hide it.
1:59:58There's something there they don't want you to know. And what for sure? I don't know. I can't read under the black bars. >> could you even speculate? Like what would they be trying to hide about a cliff dwelling civilization? >> It could be nothing more than an out of place artifact. It could be >> An out of place artifact?
2:00:12>> of place artifact. >> How so? Like what >> I mean like what we consider the Antikythera mechanism to be. Something that's more advanced for its time. So it you know, if they just found something that say they don't think that these guys could work iron and they found an iron arrowhead there that wasn't a trade piece.
2:00:27It was pre-Columbian. >> You think they would redact that? >> Uh I don't know, but I know they redacted a lot. Um >> But is a possible explanation that they just redacted where these things were so that people wouldn't go back to the area >> It It would be if they didn't have so much of the of the stuff that was like [gasps] you have to like it'll say we went to this site and we found black bar.
2:00:55And then we went to this site and we found black bar. So-and-so took black bar. And then it'll be another site that it says at this site we thought there would be some artifacts that we haven't dug yet. Well, why is it that site not black barred? That's the one that's I'm that I'm of all of them that's the one I want to go to cuz that's the one you said there's still [ __ ] left to dig up.
2:01:14>> Right. >> But that's the one and that according to their explanation that's the one they'd black bar. But they don't black bar that one. They black So it honestly looks convoluted. It looks like they're they're they're selling a false bill of goods with that. >> I haven't What are the other possibilities of the reason why they would redact it other than out-of-place artifacts?
2:01:33>> That's the first one like honestly the most mundane is just to sell stuff. That's a really cool [ __ ] piece. I'm going to go sell it to Rockefeller. >> And that could be it. >> That could be it. >> And that way they don't have to say what was there. They redact it and then there's no need to explain where it went.
2:01:48>> That's right. >> That makes more sense. >> That that that makes the most sense. Absolutely. >> does make the most sense. >> That's got money involved. >> mundane and yep. >> And people love those things. >> But it's become and like I say it's it's all over the Southwest. It's not just one or two sites.
2:02:05Um I just stumbled onto it because I was looking up the the Heela quicktoids cuz I happened to have been there. And that's where I mean I haven't dug into it enough to put it all together but it you know, when I was here last time the the cover-up stuff was something I was a whole lot less liable I was a whole lot less accepting of a top-down kind of cover-up thing.
2:02:25But the skull stuff has honestly got me where it's just like dude, there's too much of this information that disap- it disappears as I use it. I I put it in a link in the video and 2 weeks later I can't [ __ ] find it again. It's like at a certain point it becomes quite obvious that something's being hidden.
2:02:41When when the maps change over 100 years and we lose information, you get on Google and ask for the island of New E elongated skull and it'll tell you it never happened, but then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions of people that had them from the it's it's constant. It's a constant the information is just not easily accessible.
2:02:59It's hidden, it's covered up and I don't know why. 100% don't know why. I've got some suspicions. I think some of it probably has to do with like people's belief systems as to where we came from. You know, like uh to give you a example, like archaeology, like science in general fought against the idea of gradualism and and catastrophism depending on In the early days of science, it was out to prove the Bible.
2:03:26So, things like erosion weren't what was looked at. It was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing. But then the evolution and then geology and it's about the same time it's really slow gradual. So, it became gradualism was the rule of the day. And I [ __ ] you not, these two did not become melted together in what they call punctuated equilibrium until 1980 with the discovery of the KT impact disaster, the whole Chicxulub crater.
2:03:52When they accepted that, the scientific community finally figured out what a [ __ ] 5-year-old could tell you that looked out the window every day. Sometimes things happen slowly and gradually, other times things happen catastrophically and fast. It took science 100 years to wrap its [ __ ] head around that because of preconceived ideas based on the Bible and where we came from.
2:04:12So, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of psychology was here. Evolution's [ __ ] or this proves or Who knows, but it seems like the psychology side of it seems most likely to me that there's some underlying reason that they're just pushing a narrative and that this just flies in the face of it.
2:04:30But again, that's total speculation on my part. >> One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing was that there was supposedly meetings with pastors where they were talking about some imminent disclosure that was going to be very disturbing to some of the people and the speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of human engineering like that human beings had been genetically engineered and that religion itself had been made by extraterrestrials in order to placate
UFOs, Aliens and Human Evolution
2:05:06mankind and keep everybody calm and together. >> Sure. I mean that's it's interesting stories but uh >> But the weirdest one like all the the religion stuff made by aliens seems goofy. People made by aliens seems less goofy. It seems like something we would do. If if you went to uh another planet and you found monkeys and you said well let's take these monkeys and add a little do a little this do a little that.
2:05:35I mean that if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru if that's real we know that the Nazis were eugenists. We know that that's a concept that people they they people do things like that. We know that we engage in genetic engineering of animals. >> Yeah. >> We know that we brought back the dire wolf.
2:05:54Like there's there's a lot of weird stuff that we do. Now imagine something infinitely more advanced than us that finds us and goes a lot potential these genes. But add a little. >> [laughter] >> Cut cut a hundred million years out of the [ __ ] evolutionary biological process. Let's just [ __ ] ramp these [ __ ] up right quick.
2:06:15>> Go to the Zacharias Sitchin route and make them lust for gold and silver and then every so often we'll just come back raid Fort Knox call it a day. >> It's also the book of Enoch. >> Yeah it's there's a it's really interesting. There's a lot of these things that do seem to line up with it. It's um you know the ancient alien stuff is >> super weird.
2:06:34>> Well, it is. Uh like I you know, it's honestly using the same kind of thinking that you were just using on the black bars. It's like it's always the aliens are always the last thing I want to posit because the last because it's just the most unlikely. Like >> you and me differ. >> [laughter] >> Well, like you know, I was one of the ancient alien guys, David Childress.
2:06:52I was in his living room talking with him about it and and he couldn't quite get where my brain is on this cuz I'm skeptical but not, I guess. Um and I I told him basically I said, "Look at it like this. If you walked into the bathroom right now and you came back in here and your wallet was missing, now I could tell you that a dog came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it.
2:07:13I could tell you an alien came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it, but you're going to think that I [ __ ] did it. And that doesn't mean there's no aliens. It doesn't mean there's no dogs. It just means that we all know what's most likely. And you really use that that it's just like with the black bars.
2:07:27It's like, "Yeah, maybe it's out of place artifact or maybe he's just selling it to some [ __ ] [ __ ] sucker." And so it's all that's where I always I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens, but you got to get me there. But but then on the flip side like what you said about them changing us. I mean, you could take that even to the nth degree.
2:07:44Look at like you've seen the idea that the pyramids were chemical purification plants, the Land of Chem, right? One of the things that he says jokingly but he'll say, "You know, you know, if an alien race came here and you were trying to set up shop, one of the first things you would do would be set up ways to like make chemicals and make make the stuff that you need to make your society and you would use what was local and what was available."
2:08:07And that does does jive, right? It does make sense. So there's always I mean, I'm not completely opposed to the ideas, but there's some things that the Occam's razor is a lot sharper on some things than others, I guess you could put it. >> But it you know, I I agree. But I think the most complexing most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they exist at all.
2:08:28>> Agreed. >> That they exist at all and that they're 4,500 years old at least. Like it's it doesn't make sense. >> Not even remotely. >> doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that something that is so involved and so massive and so complex and clearly has a tremendous amount of planning and geometry, understanding of so many different aspects of construction that we have no idea how they accomplished it.
2:08:54There's just too many too many things that line up with that where you just go, "What is going on?" Like what isn't it possible that we're missing something? >> Absolutely. We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean this is You know, do you know they think it was 28 years that it was the Great Pyramid was built in?
2:09:1428 >> Based on >> Based on written records and their assumptions that that Herodotus was right when he wrote about that part. They just disregard the rest. What he Herodotus wrote about that maze of Saqqara, [ __ ] that noise. 28-year pyramid? Yeah. And I I've so I've told so many archaeologists, "Why don't you go build a [ __ ] fire pit in your backyard with cinder blocks and get back to me on that 28 years?"
2:09:35It's like you guys have you don't own a [ __ ] tool belt. Go There is no way Well, you could have it and they'd have all these teams of people doing all these things. >> There's millions of stones. >> I I worked as a construction I worked in construction for a long time. >> Oh, this is the one in China.
2:09:52>> Architects and engineers [ __ ] [ __ ] up. >> of this place. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> That one's nuts. >> I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought was very strange. They said it was abandoned in like the 14th century. Uh the Yangshan Quarry. These knobs are on this thing. >> Mhm. >> We talk about [clears throat] the knobs being on the many different pieces.
2:10:11>> They're everywhere over the world. >> They were saying that they had a they must have clearly had a a plan obviously when they were starting to make it. So the knobs were cut on purpose. But it's they then abandoned it because they figured that they were they made them too big to move. Which is kind of that [ __ ] They had good planning but then they also had bad planning.
2:10:31>> So do you think the knobs were involved in the lifting and maneuvering of these things? >> I would not have that one. I mean >> [laughter] >> that would have to be the plan I would say if that's why they were purposefully here and they're all over it. >> That one looks like it's carved right into the ground though, right into the rock.
2:10:45That doesn't look like a rock that was placed there. I might be wrong. >> is this is still like they had to move these never got moved. >> Yeah. >> Right. So it's but it's a part of a quarry where things did get moved. That's what's really crazy. Like look at that gap if you go back to that last picture that you just had.
2:10:59Look at the gap between those two stones. Now imagine that that was a individual piece of stone that was removed from that gap and somehow placed somewhere. And again, how long ago and who [ __ ] did it? Who did it and how did you do it? How did you do that? What are you using? >> Yes. It And the to say that's not a mystery is [ __ ] nuts.
2:11:24>> Well >> It's I the Look at that [ __ ] >> I don't understand why they why they want to get rid of the side of the mystery to begin with. >> Look at how that looks. That looks like someone cut that out. >> Well I mean they started to but with what? Is that >> Right. But look how big it is. Look how big the slab is that's next to that structure.
2:11:44The one above it. The block where Yeah, that thing. Look how big that is. Like Was that cut out? It looks like it was cut out. >> Look at it. It's like a little carving inside of it even. Yeah. >> Yeah, there's a similar I've got to I'm trying to remember where it was in my head but >> It looks like it's floating.
2:11:59I think it's in China too. Where it's looks like this but it was put on top of like this very small little bit of water. >> I know what you're talking about. >> It's like a fortress or something. >> Damn. >> Um I don't want to sidetrack but I'm going to We I was looking into this elongated heads thing.
2:12:16it was going on in France up until World WAR I. >> YEAH. >> AND WHY I'M finding a very interesting thing here. >> A lot of Neanderthals in France. >> Well, so they were >> Yeah, it was. Yeah. >> They were fashion but baby bonnets were the thing. >> Turn to the left. Fashion. >> And why baby bonnets [laughter] were tied on the babies' heads, they did it for a little bit of fashion, a little bit to for protection, but there's something here I kind of stumbled across on and I was like, "If
2:12:46you go back further in history, it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits." And if you know, like if you protect if you tied it tight enough, nothing's getting in there. >> Oh boy. >> Yeah, okay. >> And that reshaped the head? >> And it was a >> Eyes bulging out of that kid. Look at that poor kid.
2:13:01Oh god. >> purpose to reshape the head, but that's just what happened, you know, like >> Look at that baby. >> Like I said, eyes bulging out like a mouse caught in a trap. >> Oh [ __ ] man. >> So like it might have been a protection to just like keep your kids were dying for a you know, all sorts of reasons back then.
2:13:16If they thought something would get into their head to kill them too, they probably would do anything they could to protect them. >> Yeah. Now you can't increase the capacity. >> Yeah, it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying. Nothing >> what they say. It's It's that one's I mean, could you? [snorts] >> Well, I don't know.
2:13:32>> Could you stretch it? >> Honestly don't know. I I It's That one's kind of frustrating just because it again, you get you can pick your expert. There's people that will say these elongated skulls have a higher capacity, there's people that say they don't. And since you can't go put your fingers on them, [ __ ] pick your expert.
2:13:48Here we are again. [laughter] Right back where we started. You pick What What What's your opinion? Well, that's that's the truth, my friend. And welcome to 2026. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, it's so interesting. Particularly Peru. I mean, when you just all the different things that point to a spectacularly odd society.
2:14:09>> Oh man. >> Yeah. >> And you just go, "What was it like, man? What was What was reality for them? Why did they make those Nazca lines? Why did they make those beautiful drawings that you could only see from the sky?" >> The The Pacific Northwest has some [ __ ] that's pretty wild. They was Mount Coffin, which is the place that I told you that where they saw all those 3,000 burials.
Mount Coffin and Longview Pyramid
2:14:32Um in the early 1900s, the Portland Star and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin. And the pictures from before are It's like a um basalt formation. And it looks partially modified. Um I've got three pictures of it there, Jamie, if you don't mind. The first one was just uh Mount Coffin. It was like some people I think it says basalt or something.
2:14:51But there's like some people on it. And the Portland Star and Gravel Company bought it and they mined it all the way. They were Daughters of the American Revolution tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude that was all like crazy Yeah, that's that's the picture of it there. There's a picture of a bunch of people standing on it.
2:15:05I think might be the next one over. Um It's like a bunch of dudes standing on this basalt formation. It's a a skinnier pic, sorry. But you can kind of see there where it might be artificially modified. The locals say there was all kinds of cool treasure in there. Now, the dude that built Longview, R.A.
2:15:22Long, Raw Long, um built Longview in the shape of a pyramid. The The floor plan of Longview Not only has it got a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got a little little from the center going out like a little cul-de-sac that goes out like It's got the focal star from the pyramid coming out of it. It's [ __ ] crazy.
2:15:38The floor floor plan of Longview, if you just um But the streets were paved of the the four main pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel that came from that mountain. This This the the town is like a goose. Can I see some images? >> I'm stuck down the 19 I'm Yeah, I'm trying to I got to restart. >> Okay.
2:16:00>> Um but yeah, the uh The guy It was pretty nuts. The guy was like uh He was He was He uh member of the uh Freemasons stuff. Um and they again they couldn't buy the mountain they wouldn't sell it to them but but when they he bought the gravel. He had the roads paved in these weird octagons or hexagons instead of uh Yeah like the four plan you can see like that see the four from the center like if you get a and there >> Wow weird.
2:16:32>> And there's if you get a straight top down view you can see >> I'm on one now. >> Oh sorry. Um But yeah you can see there we go. Getting better. >> I think that's hard to see. >> Yeah. >> Hm. >> But yeah just just map of Longview, Washington. That that picture there the destruction of Mount Coffin see how that that's the one there that's got all these people on stuff and they look like the basalt might have been partially made partially modified.
2:16:59They're not 100% right? But there were a lot of rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they were tearing it down but By the time that this was all being done there were already laws against destroying Native American mounds and sites and stuff so rail this guy Long was a a lumber baron.
2:17:17He comes out there and wants to build up a lumber mill and stuff and all this crap so he builds the town of Longview is a totally planned city. And then he built all this goofy pyramid he's got there's a a statue of him in the middle of town with a girl handing him a rose and she's holding a dozen roses and handing him the 13th which apparently is some sort of weird Freemason [ __ ] I don't know all the all their symbolism but all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism right and yeah you see like the the town's laid
2:17:48out as a pyramid and you see it to the right the center how it goes out to that little circle on the side. >> Uh-huh. >> Like it's this was they've cut off the one line since then no longer do they honor Longview's Long's original plan. They've actually he had a statue of we the rising sun. They've relocated it.
2:18:07That town was [ __ ] weird, man. And they they almost like they're trying to fight his mojo or something. But that's what he did when he stole the Indians mojo. This was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred >> Wow. >> [ __ ] all that. Pave my streets with it. Make that my mojo. And then somebody else is in there now going, "Yeah, [ __ ] your mojo."
2:18:25It's It's weird and I you know I mean I don't need to believe in all the spiritual stuff, but you know H.P. Lovecraft has a great quote about that. He says, "I don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know that people exchange gifts on December 25th." I still follow your craziness even if I'm not crazy, right?
2:18:40So in this case they seem to be up to [ __ ] some crazy [ __ ] over there. Fight but just happens to be where biggest concentration of elongated skulls in history were. >> Wow. >> And if history doesn't When I say this [ __ ] all the archaeologists Oh, there's no proof of blah blah blah. It's simple math.
2:19:00To be buried here, you had to be a noble. To be a noble, your skull had to be modified. 3,000 burials are reported. 3,000 elongated skulls. Not complicated here. Not tricky. But they'll argue with this to the end. Oh, Daniel doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's talking about. Okay. >> What is your take on the Grand Canyon?
2:19:18>> Mhm. >> The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird. >> Talking about Kincaid's cave and [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Yes, dude. That's again one of those things where it's like you know 2 years ago I'd have been like, "Eh, probably is Native American stuff." At this point now I joked the last one of these Quest for Ancient Civilizations things that we had.
Grand Canyon Caves and Kincaid Hoax
2:19:35I joked on stage when they asked uh they were talking about uh different things and I said that the next time that we have some 9/11 type of [ __ ] and all the alphabet boys run back east, I'm [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> right out to the Grand Canyon this time, boys. >> Well, right now you can't go into the area.
2:19:51>> Yeah, because all the alphabet boys >> Yeah. >> There's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's air quote too dangerous or it's Native American sacred site depending on who you ask. >> Yeah, but I haven't heard that part. >> Well, yeah, if you have that's been the explanation that I usually see.
2:20:06>> Oh, that it's Native American sacred site. Do they claim it's sacred? >> I don't know. >> Cuz you would imagine the whole thing is sacred. >> You would think. >> Wouldn't you think that they were like that's not stopped us before? >> all of a sudden we give a [ __ ] what about Mount Rushmore? >> But the fact [laughter] right, the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the place where this guy said he found a cave with Egyptian art in it.
2:20:27>> Exactly. That's where >> What year was that story? >> I want to say 1920s. >> 1909. >> I'm off, sorry. >> Let's see what is his report. Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax. >> No, sorry. >> There were though. There were hoaxes back then. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> There were a bunch of hoaxes, a bunch of people there were a contest to try to get your [ __ ] hoax reported the most.
2:20:51>> Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's hoaxes. The Grand Canyon hoax though, the thing that's weird to me is that you can't go there. Oh, yeah, 1909 newspaper story claiming a vast ancient underground city complete with mummies, copper tools, hieroglyphs, and oriental in quotes or Egyptian style artifacts have been discovered inside the canyon overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall tale not an archaeological discovery.
2:21:15In March 12, 2009 G G. E. Kincaid Excuse me, 1909. G. E. Kincaid supposedly a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from Green River, Wyoming to Yuma. April 5th, 1909 paper dramatically expanded the claim. It said Kincaid had found a nearly inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that Professor S.
2:21:37A. Jordan and the Smithsonian were investigating it. The article described hundreds of rooms, mummies in a crypt, copper and gold vessels, strange writing, a Buddha-like idol, granaries, and space for up to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what? Yeah. >> [laughter] >> He said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient.
2:22:01But now, I do know that Jason guy, and he's um kind of a two-faced piece of crap, so I wouldn't trust everything that he says here. If he saw something that flew in the face of his narrative, he will not report it. >> Who is this guy? >> That Jason Colavito guy. He's a professional debunker that's um basically I yeah I I I he's he's one of If If you ask Graham Hancock to list off the top 10 pieces of [ __ ] they argue with him, that guy's name's going to come up.
2:22:27He's >> There's no known physical evidence, no cave complex matching the description, excavated material, field notes, photographs, maps, uh accession records, or peer-reviewed archaeological report. The alleged Smithsonian personnel and expedition do not correspond to a documented Smithsonian project in the way the article claimed.
2:22:48But is there a documented his Smithsonian project in the Grand Canyon? >> Well, to me to me this is like really simple. This is the same as it's simple to figure out whether or not these skulls have more like capacity or not. Just [ __ ] let somebody go there. If it's too dangerous, if it's a native Get a Native American archaeology team, get some drones, [ __ ] investigate, and close the door on it.
2:23:13>> But let me ask you this. If they really did find an immense cavern that could have 50,000 people living in it, and they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus or whatever they have Whatever they found. Do you think they would hide that? >> I I That's a tough one. Honest Honestly, something that >> Don't you think that the people that discovered that would become famous?
2:23:36>> Oh, yeah. >> And it would be a huge thing, and archaeologists would want to get credit for it. >> Yes and no. Um but like like let's put it this way. Say for instance you found something that that that proved those tridactyl mummies were real, okay? >> Okay. >> You know you're going to get pushback.
2:23:57>> Right. >> Okay. Now, say for instance you're a mainstream archaeologist, your your whole job is is reliant on going through the proper channels. Now, I've seen what Flint did to me when I called him out as a liar. You know how many people call me they put me in the same [ __ ] camp as Madame Blavatsky now.
2:24:13I'm dead serious. They'll call me total pseudo-scientists. They say that I believe in all kinds of crazy [ __ ] >> person you just said? >> Madame Blavatsky. >> Who's that? >> She's one of the old like the turn of the century during the like a hundred years ago when everybody was the the the What do they call it?
2:24:30They're in the mesmerism era and stuff when all the people were seances and she was one of >> [ __ ] artist. >> Bingo. And so she [laughter] they put me in the same category, right? Um like the guy that I talked to about the metallurgy and the ice age is an ice core specialist. Flint crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract what he said and stuff.
2:24:50They If you're a mainstream archaeologist and you fly a foul of these other guys, you're liable to lose your job. Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it says it right in the Wikipedia thing. If you posit an earlier dating of the people in the Americas than this, these guys were going to destroy your career.
2:25:06>> I understand that, but to get the military involved and to block off the Grand Canyon because there's an area that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to Native Americans. To me is a bit of a reach that you get the Pentagon involved and they they send [ __ ] Blackhawk helicopters to circle the area and make sure that hikers aren't climbing in there.
2:25:27>> up there. Something's up there. I mean, it might need be nothing more than they got a military base sitting in there. I mean, dude in Sedona, holy [ __ ] I'd never seen a UFO. And I went when I was in Sedona, they there's a what they call Secret Mountain and they handed me these dudes hand me these night vision goggles, and it was like you're seeing all these little things in the air, and then it was like five lights come out from this cloud, they move in unison, and then they all disappeared together.
2:25:52And I was like, all this happens over Secret Mountain all the time? And I'm like, yeah, man. >> Sedona is a weird place, man. >> Sedona is [ __ ] weird, man. >> And the people there are weird as [ __ ] >> never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked on meth in my [ __ ] life. Everybody there's got they Everybody there's got a way to make 20 bucks here, 20 bucks there.
2:26:08But that's cuz it's more expensive to buy a to rent a home in Sedona than it is to rent property to rent business property on the main drag. They can't get minimum wage people to work there. They They It's 20 mi to the nearest town, 15 mi to the nearest town, so like they have a real hard time Sedona is just kind of collapsing under its own weight.
2:26:28>> Mhm. >> It's Well, it's all new age-y people, right? >> All new age-y people, and they're all trying to make a buck any way they can. >> So, why are the new age-y people attracted to Sedona? >> Because of the the because of the uh what do you call it? The Yeah, the the the reputation of uh You know, it's funny though, the guy my my buddy Robert, he's organizing this whole thing that's going to be at the ACL.
2:26:51He uh He's living in Sedona for years, and he tells me like a lot of these vortices. Like there was like three of them that were energy vortices that were known about. And then this woman comes through in the '80s or the '90s, and she said she found a whole bunch more. And he says, it's really funny, she's grossly overweight, and that's why every one of the vortices she found is about 5 ft FROM THE HIGHWAY.
2:27:12>> [laughter] >> THE THREE REAL ONES, THEY'RE OUT IN THE STICKS, MAN, or the desert. But Madame [laughter] Blavatsky, she says, it's right there. Right right next to my bag of jujubeans. >> That's funny. Has anybody tried to find I know there's this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon, he got chased out, but he found something really weird there.
2:27:35>> digging There's I just found a comment on a video that said this guy was actually hit by a drunk driver and he has some of the best videos >> Oh, hit by a drunk driver and killed? >> Yes, he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch this guy a lot. >> 4 million views in 2 years, so >> You A lot of people will use Google Earth and be like, "Hey, check this out."
2:27:51But [ __ ] used Google Earth and then he'd go there. >> And what did he find that's so baffling? >> That's I don't know. I have to watch the video. I'm trying to >> You imagine if they whacked this guy because he found something? >> Uh uh uh >> That's happened before. What did he find? >> That's I don't know.
2:28:06I almost >> So is he in the area where you're not supposed to be? >> I don't know. I have to I'm trying to stumble I'm going through all sorts of places real quick. I also would go if it wouldn't be 2 years later that we just found this amazing discovery. People would have shared this every day on Twitter, you know?
2:28:22>> Yeah. Right, but [clears throat] what is it? What's the amazing discovery? >> nothing. I don't know. It could be, you know >> What is this? >> I don't know. I don't know where he's at. >> He found this? >> That's a cliff dwelling, obviously, but >> That's in the Grand Canyon? >> Yeah, I've seen it in other pictures, though, so it's it's not a this, you know, discovery.
2:28:36>> Right. So we know there were dwellings in the Grand Grand Canyon. The real question is that grand claim of something that has 50,000 people in >> Grand Canyon hidden cave. >> A thousand hidden caves, although around 335 are officially recorded and most are strictly off limits to the public. See, that's that's where >> are those off limits to the public, but other quick cliff dwelling places allow people to What's that?
2:29:03>> All sorts of reasons. Where they are, like I said, it could be in an part of it's on native land, so it's probably very dangerous to get to. >> Grand Canyon come save you. Yeah. But it does get kind of weird when you look at like this >> So some of them are legal. It says legal visits Grand Canyon Caverns located off Route 66 near Peach Springs, Arizona.
2:29:23The biggest, largest dry caverns in the US and offer public tours. Click on that. >> Yeah, I'd say just cuz it's not open to the public doesn't mean you can't go there. You just have to ask for permission probably in some cases and just get a tour guide or something. >> Yeah, but I think the area we're talking about is closed.
2:29:37>> That's why I don't I haven't seen the I'm looking for a at the mouth of the Colorado River or something. >> It's at the mouth of the Colorado River is where that can cage supposedly found his thing. So, it's like a right at the mouth of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is like supposed from what I understand is where you just can't go.
2:29:54Like on the on the side of the hill there on the side of the cliff, but I haven't tried going like I'm waiting I got to waiting for the next time till there's a national disaster and everybody runs back east. Cuz man, I you know, I living on the West Coast, I don't live far from Hanford. I live a little ways, but it's real clear.
2:30:07Like when World War II happened, they're like, "Whoa, we're going to build this [ __ ] crazy bomb that might blow the world up. Let's put it all the way on the other side of the country from where we live over where all those cowboys and and Hicks live. And if we you know, if Washington glows in the dark, well, then 50 years later, we got a bunch of blue-haired [ __ ] running out of Seattle.
2:30:27So, figure that one out as you will. But they they definitely you know, they put all the poison over with us. That's that's how they plan to do it. It's um it's the same as in the desert, right? They dump all that [ __ ] out in the desert. Why do they test all the nukes in the desert in instead of over on somewhere near the east because they don't want that [ __ ] blowing in their backyard.
2:30:45All those nice Rhode Island houses you're talking about. They they don't need radiated radiate Seattle. >> Right. >> So, >> Damn. >> Yeah. Yeah, Hanford's crazy. If you ever drive through there up in Washington, there's all these nuclear storage facility >> I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't go to that area that they could tell us about.
2:31:05>> That's there unfortunately, from what I've seen. I mean, I I might I'm not as Jamie's pretty damn quick. So, I'll get you know, he he might find something that I haven't seen quickly, but uh from what I've seen, it's it's very much like he said, she said. This guy said there was stuff there. They say there's nothing there.
2:31:21They won't let you go there. There is one guy that claims to have tried to go there and like he supposedly had a video where like people stopped him before he got there, but I watched it and it looked kind of like maybe yeah. >> Yeah. >> They say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona. They say that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up in Sedona that eventually a park ranger will come up to you, but he's a lot buffer and better armed than most park rangers you're going to meet.
2:31:45And >> Yeah. >> I don't know. Okay. Joe Rogan security? No. >> Do you think there's maybe some sort of an alien base somewhere in the United States? >> If if there are aliens and they're actively working with governments at all, then ours ours, the Russians, and the Chinese would be the only ones I'd give a [ __ ] about.
2:32:03Let's be honest. There's there's not the rest of the countries are all the rest of the world all kind of just follows us. The oils if you're an alien race the oils are Oh, look at those cute guys in their car. >> Right. >> But beyond that, yeah, I think if I don't Again, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to alien stuff, but if aliens are visiting Earth um then yeah, I would have If if they're working with humans at all, then yeah, they're probably working with governments.
2:32:26And when I say skeptical about the alien thing, it's really one of two things. Either we're so far away and technology is so Like look at where we're at now. We're maybe 100 years from actually some sort of interstellar travel and we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out. I was thinking a 20-year-old kid with a million dollars can buy CRISPR and sit there and make genes in his [ __ ] base.
Future of Humanity and Alien Speculation
2:32:45[ __ ] Do we even look at a long left on this rock, bro? We got [ __ ] AI. Do you hear what they did with that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain, put it in the computer and physics engine, and it's all running around and flying like it's real. They maxed headroom this fruit fly. They chopped its brain little pieces.
2:33:00Well, now they got it playing Beat Saber and [ __ ] Doom and all this other [ __ ] Have you ever read the book >> Mhm. >> I Have No Mouth, but I Must Scream? At the very end it's like these aliens genetically manipulating people and at the end there's this person that it's just like a blob and that's what it says, I Have No Mouth, but I Feel the Earth to Scream.
2:33:17Imagine being a fruit fly with all My My itch. I press the balls itch button, it's Beat Saber. It's like, [ __ ] That fruit fly is going to suffer more than any other animal in the history of humanity from kids pulling the wings off a fly. I'll just set that brain to uh experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off.
2:33:34And here we are. We're we're doing it right now. We're doing that [ __ ] right now that they're ripping the wings with Beat Saber and [ __ ] That thing suffer and So, anyway, my point is as as a species as we look at going out into the stars, we're also gutteral as [ __ ] So, a species has to get through a lot of has a lot of hurdles to jump.
2:33:52>> Right. >> But, if they jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not going to be impressive. We're not going to be attractive because there it's universe is dead, man. So, it's mo dead dead dead dead dead life. Dead dead dead dead dead life. They're they're going to look at us. So, I have to basically two sides of the coin on that is on the one I'm pretty skeptical of them getting getting it going, but if they did get in it going, well, yeah, they'd come around.
2:34:15>> Yeah, I don't know that they would be like us. Like our ideas like that we're so violent and we develop these weapons. We do that we're so close to destroying ourselves. What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution? What if that's a factor of you take intellect and this lust for technology and to transform its environment and you implant that in a territorial primate.
2:34:42>> Yeah, that I mean, yeah. >> Like you're you're dealing with like a weird hybrid of an evolved species. Like an evolved species that still maintains its tribal primitive behavior, but also has this incredible lust for innovation. >> Mhm. No, I I I could see that. >> I So, we're like too complicated cuz we're not >> We we yeah, we did >> We're [ __ ] design.
2:35:04>> Yeah, we grew out of our we too big one direction. I follow. And yeah, that's a that's a good possibility. I mean, it's it ultimately I my brain on these things ends up thinking about the probability of all these different things happening. It seems to me if if we were genetically manipulated by aliens, um you know, even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens, you know, one of the things you have to do to get off of the rock is going to have to be a uh curious species, right?
2:35:32That's something otherwise they don't give a [ __ ] They're going to have to be social uh cuz they're going to have to work together or they're going to have to be godlike in and of themselves. So, there's a few things that we can assume about them. But, yeah, um we only have one example of intelligence evolving.
2:35:48And if it didn't evolve, if it was created like you're saying, then we don't really know. >> We have multiple examples. >> Well, >> We have dolphins and orcas. >> Yeah, we we have a hard time Well, we have a hard time um we have a hard time like you were saying earlier, we have a hard time uh understanding them.
2:36:06They they might They might be extremely intelligent in a lot of ways, but there's a lot of thing They might not be the the least bit intelligent. A raccoon might be way better It probably is way better at manipulating its environment than a dolphin. >> Of course. >> So, that point is >> Because it's not necessary in their world.
2:36:21They They move through 3D space. >> Exactly. So, um but then So, their brain might not even have developed certain things that we >> Right. >> Yeah, so >> Then the question is did they develop something else? Like is their form of communication superior? >> That's See, that's where really like the words like What is What's the end goal?
2:36:39Is the end goal to have a good life? Or is the end goal to get off the rock? I mean, if if the end goal is to have a good life uh a good life, Ari Matthiesen's got it nailed when he when he talks about the people on the the love on the spectrum. They're way happier than all the rest [laughter] of us are, right?
2:36:55Ari Matty, excuse me. But, um the the the love on the spectrum or excuse me, the uh the hap You know, is it is about happiness or is it about survival? Is it about getting off the What's the end goal? It's like >> What is the end goal collective for the human species to evolve and advance and move past the state that we're at now or is your own individual existence and your happiness currently?
2:37:21Like what's what's important? And we don't really move collectively as individual We think we do things collectively, but we think about ourselves. >> Yeah. >> You know, when when people are like planning for their retirement, they're not like trying to help out the human race. They're like trying to provide for themselves.
2:37:38>> That's correct. But on the other side, like when um when I'm working on doing research and you do a lot of research, so you'll probably understand this yourself. Or when GSP invents the Superman punch it's like you when you bring something new to the world, you kind of feel cool. You know, you kind of feel like I've just contributed to the grand total of human thinking and I didn't just add like a dot or something.
2:38:02I actually I I contributed. It's So, you could see where almost like a subconscious desire to do that. Um so, yeah, it is weird. It's like, you know, we do You watch birds fly together and fish move in a school and then you watch mobs. It's like there is some sort of you in a mind that's tying us together.
2:38:19It does and I'm not trying to get all metaphysical. This might not be nothing more than than pheromones and chemicals, but something's got us where people act You can feel it at times. You can walk into a room and feel the [ __ ] energy and just know, oh, I shouldn't be in this room. These people don't like me.
2:38:35This guy It's not and it's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing, although that's the branch the stamp that everybody puts on It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something becomes like like water dowsing. If something starts as a metaphysical thing, science is going to need jerk to the end of time to resist it, but >> Right.
2:38:53>> ask anybody who drills wells about dowsing. If they drill wells for a [ __ ] living, they dowse. Period. Just like a cop knows that full moon fever is a thing. Well, the scientist, well, full moon fever is statistically The cop's like, yeah. >> What do you think is going on with dowsing? >> Honestly, I think it's Remember when we used to have tube TVs everywhere and you'd walk down the street and you'd know your friend was watching TV cuz you could feel the [ __ ] hair on the back of your neck
2:39:16stand up or whatever? >> No. >> You don't remember You never felt the electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV? >> No, I didn't walk by my friend's house and know he was watching TV. >> Did you ever You ever been able to walk into a room and know that that tube TV was on? You don't remember like the >> God, I don't I don't remember that.
2:39:34>> know that a lot of the viewers remember. It's a thing. I'm sure if Jamie looks it up and >> feel the energy of the TV. >> that the old tube TVs you could feel them. And um they don't have an exact reason. But there you know, it's the electromagnetics and you maybe there's iron in your blood. That's >> And so this dowsing, it's like with rods, those those those twisty rods and they move together when you're getting close to >> over a water source, yeah, they just do this >> it really works?
Dowsing and Psychological Biases
2:40:00>> Uh according to the guys that make money off of it, it does. And and I wouldn't I mean >> anybody tried to do a study on why that would work? >> They That That's where um the only things I've seen were pretty skeptical and pretty kind of just like it doesn't work. But um again, that's kind of where the rubber meets the road.
2:40:18It's like >> Seems like that'd be easy to prove. >> You'd think so. >> Like you get a dowser. >> Yeah. And well, and that That's the thing is that they science wants everybody to be able to do it. You know what I mean? They want to be able to We're going to get 50 people together and have them all go out in the field and dowse.
2:40:33>> You would take a someone who's good at it. So CRT sets used a high voltage flyback transformer and magnetic deflection system to sweep an electron beam across the screen. Those parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency, roughly 15 to 16 kHz, in many TV standards creating a very high thin tone.
2:40:52Children and young adults tend to hear high frequencies better, so they were especially likely to walk into a house or pass a closed door and immediately know the TV was running. >> Woah. >> I also think static charge I believe that as well. >> That's interesting that children and younger adults can pick it up.
2:41:10Like they also like see ghosts. >> Yeah. This might be one of the differences. You're just a few years older than me and so you might not remember it as well. >> Maybe. Maybe people just got duller over time and they can't feel it anymore. >> Yeah. Well, these these don't use that those transformers and all that high >> Right.
2:41:28Of course they don't. >> Yeah. These are These are a joke by comparison, but my point is there's things like this that we we can pick up on. There's things that we pick up on that we that's that we can be tested and and honestly I love psychology. Although I'll psychology just like archaeology is not a science.
2:41:45I don't care when Anything is self-reported is not a [ __ ] science. You think Epstein told his shrink what he was up to? [ __ ] no. Okay. There you go. So but psychology does have some scientific bits. And uh one of the things though is ultimately it's the lens that all of it comes through. Everything that we do comes down through that psychological lens.
2:42:03Like me talking earlier about it taking a 100 years for them to reconcile gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here. >> Mhm. >> And it's all through the zeitgeist of the time. Like right now racism's the big thing and all this social programs and this so that becomes part of science for whatever [ __ ] reason.
2:42:18We I mean I'll still never forget the time I saw the article about feminist math and I just wanted to [ __ ] >> What is it? >> Feminist math. >> You know. >> It's that >> With that. >> know if six oppresses seven. I don't [ __ ] know. >> I don't [laughter] really know. >> I [clears throat] guess seven's more pointy and six has the whole.
2:42:35So it's probably the other way. At any rate uh it's I just laughed. It's There's we don't have room for that [ __ ] in science. The whole point of science I say this a bunch. The whole point of science is to like the whole point of the scientific method is to strip individual biases away. This is why replicability so [ __ ] important because if I do it and you do it and you don't get the same result as me, there's a problem.
2:43:01Um it's weird when it gets into racial differences and they just ignore it completely. And they they they call the data racist. Well, yeah, that's exactly what And then the then the guys that are are like openly racist, they love that data. Well, the weird thing about the data being racist is [snorts] uh it's not white supremacist at all because Asians are doing way better.
2:43:19Yeah, exactly. But you don't want to talk about that. You're going to that's like >> The problem is the people that aren't doing as well. >> The problem is is that they're in my opinion is they're trying to take Marxism and turn it into a to anything besides a monetary [ __ ] idea. You try to do it on a social level, social Marxism?
2:43:37Oh, come on, dude. This is how you get the oppression Olympics. You know, I've I've got it worse than You know how much money I had to spend to get custody of my kid? And I had no social programs for me. Oh, woe is me. And you go you go on that [ __ ] forever. It's it's so stupid. The of what am I You know, 95% of the people that are shot in this country by the cops >> are men.
Social Justice, Statistics and Oppression
2:43:58>> Do we need a men's lives matter movement? Or is that a little [ __ ] up? Okay, but that's it's >> Well, it's also men are the ones who create most of the violence. They're the ones that need to get shot. >> Well, it just How about how it is My thinking is like this. When a a a cop shoots a person, he's he shoots a guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a woman.
2:44:17And when he shoots a black guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a white guy. Now, whether that's racism or personal experience or town-by-town difference, whatever, at the end of the day, just saying this is pure racism is like, "Okay, well, then this is pure sexism, right?" "Oh, no, it's not pure sexism when they're shooting guys, but it's when they're black."
2:44:34I mean, in all honesty, Donald Trump has a higher chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than Kamala Harris. That's statistically like way more likely. Like 20 times more likely. >> In terms of men getting shot more than women, period. >> White guys are are 20 times more likely to get shot by the cops wrongly than a black woman.
2:44:52>> Right. And this is not That's not denying racism or denying sexism. It's just you're dealing with statistics. >> I'm I'm trying to do is take the I I only bring these up because so many people bring up these statistics to say this is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem. And that's where we bring up this one.
2:45:07It's just overwhelmingly it's like all of a sudden we look at things differently now. >> social Marxism thing. It's like And it's it's it's also there's like a currency in being oppressed. There's a currency in recognizing oppression. There's a currency in signaling virtue that you recognize oppression that other people don't.
2:45:24You know, admitting your whatever whatever biases or whatever, you know, white whatever privilege you may have, land acknowledgements, all that crazy stuff. It's like, you know, it's it We're trying to be good people, but we're doing it in a way that points at everybody else like they're bad. >> That's exactly it.
2:45:48>> where it gets real squirrely because people are using the the premise of being a good person to be really shitty to people that don't deserve it. >> Well, I Yeah, I You know, it and they don't do anything on their own. Like they're going to tell me that I should be doing X, Y, or Z, but like Kansas University recently like put out this big thing about how they feel so bad for living on indigenous land and you know, >> Are you going to give it back?
2:46:14>> Thank you. [ __ ] no, they ain't giving it back. You know what? They didn't even They didn't even repatriate all of the bones that they've got that they're supposed to repatriate in 1990. >> I've only been to one place where I saw an actual land disclosure and it was at the South by Southwest premiere of the Age of Disclosure.
2:46:27And I thought this was so hilarious. There is a documentary about us being invaded by aliens and before they play the documentary they they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land and took it from the natives. And this is the ancestral tribal land of the whatever tribes they they said. We must acknowledge this first.
2:46:52Like, wouldn't you play the movie? This isn't a history lesson. This isn't a struggle session. Play the [ __ ] movie. It's literally about us getting invaded by aliens. >> Yeah. And and this is supposed to make it like >> better? >> Better. >> You're a good person cuz you acknowledge this. All right.
2:47:08I got to wrap this up. Your thing is give out the dates. Tell everybody >> It's October 16th through 18th. Uh the Quest for Ancient Civilizations conference at the ACL Live. It's right here in Austin. >> Should be a banger of a time. >> to be amazing. >> I'm sure it's going to be awesome. All those people there, Randall Carlson, >> Yep.
Conference Plugs and Closing
2:47:27>> Billy Carson, who else? >> Yeah, whole bunch. Kurt Metzger. >> Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell together. That's Duncan Trussell on test and doing deadlifts for 10 years. >> [laughter] >> Um David Childress, great great cast of people. Awesome time. >> Childress is a really good dude, man. >> What did they do to you, man?
2:47:42They made you look weird, too. >> like you know, that's it's the AI. It's >> like Alan Watts. >> I I I look like somebody else entirely. I I could I'm almost Amish. >> You look very odd. Either way, >> Same thing you said just like the chicks at the bar last night, Joe. >> with the [ __ ] AI. You don't have to do that.
2:47:58Or do it do it and do it >> I say it to everybody. I I actually had a production team or what it's like to get me to sign up to do you know, for them to help produce for me and stuff. And when I told them that I was not going to have any AI videos, no AI clipping, no AI thumbnails, and certainly no AI communicating with my followers, they're like, "We'll have to get back to you on the price."
2:48:19I'm like, "Yeah, I just took your tool belt, didn't I?" >> [laughter] >> They wanted to be easy. >> Yeah, I could probably get an AI, too. Anyway, thank you, Joe, so much. >> to see you, brother. Bye, everybody.
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