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Joe Rogan Experience #2561 - LL Cool J

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LL Cool J joins Joe Rogan for a wide-ranging conversation covering his early rise at Def Jam at age 16, the origins of hip-hop, his jiu-jitsu training, and his philosophy on discipline, mastery, and perseverance. His central message is that success requires relentless effort, self-awareness, and getting comfortable with discomfort, and that dreams have no deadlines. The conversation also wanders into martial arts history, boxing, AI, and speculative topics like time travel and ancient civilizations.

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Opening and Introductions

0:01Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> Those shorts are unbelievably comfortable. I promise you. >> I believe you. >> Yeah. >> We're up. >> I got sneaker recommendations from LL CoolJ. I [laughter] I'll take that. I was wearing these Pumas.
0:23I'm going to throw them. Well, you said I'm going to incinerate them. >> You You'll throw them in the incinerator. >> Okay. I don't I don't know if that's true, but I I like >> Yeah, I You have no reason to believe me yet. I I'll give you that. You have no reason to believe me, >> but when you when you try, you're going to say, "Yo, your man was telling the truth."
0:40>> You'll see. >> You're going to come back on and say that. >> All right. >> I promise you. >> I believe you. I'll I'll give it a shot. >> I'll give it a shot. >> Um Well, anyway, very nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, too. >> I I met you a long [ __ ] time ago, >> very briefly. Yeah. We were at this stupid NBC thing.
0:56It was very funny because you were making fun of it. >> It was some sick, you know, they they do those things where they have all the new shows and everybody has to show up and it's like everyone sits down. I was at a table with you >> and I was a nobody. This is like 1994. I was like, "Oh [ __ ] that's hell cool."
1:14Jay, it was a we was just getting it was just still weird for me to be around famous people. And I remember you were like, "What the [ __ ] is this?" LIKE YOU [laughter] WERE MAKING FUN OF THE WHOLE THING. And I was like, "God, I wish I could do that." Like, "This guy's making fun of this shit." Like, you didn't give a [ __ ] about it all.

Early Encounter at NBC Event

1:30It was really funny. >> I mean, you could never take it too serious. >> No, >> you can. You know what I mean? Like, like, we're not, you know, we're not going to take it too serious. You know, it is Life is good. >> Especially those kind of things where they sit down, they announce all the shows, and you have to clap.
1:45You know, they have all these >> Well, you know, you know, I mean, I'm going be, you know, I'm have manners, but at the same time, I'm not going to take it too serious. No, but you were making fun of it and I was enjoying it. I was enjoying it. [laughter] >> It's funny. It's funny. >> So, this is like This is the '9s.
2:02>> This is a long long time ago. >> Hell yeah. >> Dude, you've had a [ __ ] insane career, man. I mean, when did you get signed? Weren't you like >> 17 or some [ __ ] Like, how old were you when you first got your first contract? >> So, um 16. >> 16. >> 16. We started Def Jam. >> Wow. >> Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons.
2:21Well, Rick started Def Jam, right, as a production company. Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam, the label, and I was the first act. The first song on Def Jam Productions was It's Yours by Ta Rock. And then from there, the label was formed cuz that was Streetwise Party Time. And then from there, the label was formed and um you know, the rest is history.

Signing with Def Jam at 16

2:42Incredible. Ad Rock from the Beasty Boys actually programmed the beat. Rick Rubin produced it and u I did the mic and here we are. >> Most people who get that successful at 16 have a very difficult time keeping their [ __ ] together. But you just manage to keep smiling and floating through this thing.
3:02>> Yeah. You know what? You know [laughter] what? You know yo yo man, you get you get enough bites at the apple. Yep. [laughter] You know what I mean? >> 16. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was probably about 17 18 right there. Yeah. I always could tell by my jewelry. [laughter] You know what I'm saying? You know.
3:20>> Wow. That's back in the boom box days. >> Yeah, it was the boom box, man. That was everything. That meant everything to me. >> Oh, everybody had those back then. >> Absolutely. >> People would carry them around walking down the street with their own music. >> Absolutely. >> We're in a different world now.
3:31People don't understand what it was like back then. >> Yeah. Because actually uh in a weird way, even though the world is more public, music has become more private. >> Right. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> The world was private, but music was public back then. Right. >> Right. Right. >> It's like it's like an in an it inverted.
3:50You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Well, you I mean it's no exaggeration to say you're a pioneer because hip-hop was so new back then. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It was so new. He had like Sugar Hill which was in like >> Sugar Hill Rapids Delight was 79 but I got into hip-hop before that because I was listening to like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 4 before they were the five and the Treacherous Three and Mo and the Cold Crush and >> what year was that?

Hip-Hop's Early Days in Queens

4:18>> That's 7576 77. >> Wow. >> You know, around that time, you know what I mean? And I was hearing the tapes cuz they were circulating cuz I was in Queens, you know what I mean? So, the tapes were coming out of the Bronx. And when I was in Long Island, see, I was raised I was born in Long Island. I was raised in Queens, but I also lived in North Babylon.
4:38And um when I was in North Babylon next door, um there was a lot of foster kids who were from uptown who were from the Bronx and from from Brooklyn. Well, Bronx and and Harlem and Brooklyn. So, I would hear all the tapes when hip-hop was emerging. So I was like, you know, 8 years old and I was getting exposed to like all of the, you know, the newest of the new at a really young age.
5:01So I got like indoctrinated and dipped in the baptized in the fire of hiphop early. You know what I mean? >> What a fortuitous time to be a kid, too. Like it's the perfect time cuz it's all emerging around you. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like when Gladwell talks about you know um you know that moment the tipping point well people being born in certain places you know when he talks about you know being in Seattle when computers were when software exploded or so I was in New
5:29York at that same time it's very much in that same >> that same thing you know you get sprinkled with a little dust >> you know man upstairs [laughter] little you know get a little sprinkle be in the right place got the capability >> you know >> and the drive and the discipline, >> stick to it. Yeah.
5:48>> Yeah. >> I mean, obviously you have that. You're still in great shape. >> You got to be, >> you know. Yeah. You still keep it together. >> I do. I do. I've been um you know, I recently uh started uh doing jiu-jitsu, which has been around for a year. Yeah. >> Where you training? >> Uh Brian Glick. >> Where's he at?

Training Jiu-Jitsu with Brian Glick

6:03>> He's in Brooklyn. He's in Brooklyn. And um he trained under Donna. >> Oh, great. And um Oh, phenomenal. >> Yeah. And uh so I've been >> That's a great lineage. Yeah. Henzo Gracie, Donna. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So he's uh he's a lot of fun. Actually, my man Scott Khan, you know, put me on to him. We've been Yeah, we've been working.
6:20So, it's uh >> it's very humbling, you know. You you you think you're Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's Glick. That's Glick. That's my teacher. And uh >> and so that's a lot of fun. That's uh >> How long you been doing that now? >> Not long at all. And you find out that uh you think you're a tough guy, but you're really a little old [laughter] lady.
6:37You find out really quickly. >> It's so humbling. >> Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. OH, YOU'RE TOUGH. [laughter] OH, YOU TOUGH. EXACTLY. You find out real quick. So, I've uh you know, cuz you know, when I was young, I did a I enjoyed martial arts. Like a little sedo karate, a little wing chong, a little itchan. Like I I like the martial arts.
7:01So, but this one this is uh a completely different thing because [sighs] >> you know, you know, it's just you >> feel helpless. There's no question about it. You are. >> Yeah. You're help. And you don't think you are until you do it and then your whole world shatters. You're like, "Oh no." >> Yeah. A guy put you on a closed guard and say, "Get out.
7:21Come [laughter] on. Get out. You're good." And you you you do everything but stand up. You know, when you first start, it's crazy. Yeah. So, it's fun. >> It's It's a deep pool, too. There's a lot to learn. It keeps going forever and ever and ever. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But that's life. >> Yeah. Uh that's what I like about life, you know, cuz uh you know, we want to maximize our potential, right?
7:42>> Well, I think it's really good for famous people to do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality or your status or your stature. I think it's good for your head because it's it's an undeniable thing. Like you are either good at this or you are not good at this. There's there's no charm.
7:58There's no charisma. [laughter] You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. I'm really charismatic. Let me go. >> Nobody shows up. They love you the moment they see you. There's none of that charisma your way out of an Americana or Kamura >> because that's the opiate for celebrities like this thing with everybody loves you and needing that.
8:16>> Well, see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm a celebrity by consequence like as a result of what I did. I'm not a I'm not a guy who's celebrity minded. I'm an artist, Joe. >> You know what I'm saying? I I you know, >> I'm famous by default because of the things that I do have made me known. But I don't walk in rooms feeling famous.
8:34Like I'm an artist. I'm not in it for like the the fame thing. I'm like I'm way more bluecollar. >> I'm not like remotely interested in in in hitting you with the famous with the long cigarette [laughter] holder and the ascot and [ __ ] Like I'm like so not into that. Like I'm like way different. Like I'm not even remotely near that.
8:56>> Imagine rocking a cigarette holder. >> Can you imagine? >> I can see Cat Williams doing it. I can see Cat Williams with a cigarette holder. >> Well, it would work [laughter] for Cat. He he can pull anything off and he's going to say some genius [ __ ] about it on top of that. So yeah, he can pull it off.

Celebrity, Fame, and Cigarette Holders

9:10>> Yeah, >> but me walking in with the cigarette. What if you walked in here today and I had a cigarette holder [laughter] >> and when you and when you said, "Hey, hey, l I went like this." >> You know, I just hit you with the >> What is the purpose of the cigarette holder? But other than keeping the cigarette further from your face, >> I don't want my hands dirty.
9:27I don't want my hands to smell like cigarettes. I don't know what you're smelling the fingers. It's just all wrong. [laughter] I I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong. >> The only person who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson. He had it and just somehow another seemed ridiculous. >> Can Can we put a picture up of him cuz I'm not familiar.
9:43>> Hunter S. Thompson, the writer. He's the one that they did that Johnny Depp movie, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. >> Okay. Okay. >> It's based on one of his books. Okay. >> Was Hun He used to have a cigarette holder. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But he's doing it a little bit more aggressively. [snorts] I'm talking about that other one.
9:58>> I'm talking about that other long one. Yeah. >> Black one with the silver ring. Yeah. You know, you know, >> you know. >> Yeah. I think he did it more often. Man, >> is cool. >> Oh, he was cool as [ __ ] >> Yeah, he's cool. >> A complete total maniac. >> You know what I mean? >> Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of the most genius [ __ ] >> ever.
10:16>> I mean, you know, [snorts] you make it through, man. If you're going through hell, keep going, baby. >> You make it through. Come out the other side. >> Some people need something to get out of their own head, you know, and that's >> Yeah. It's called humility. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that helps too.
10:28That perspective that you have is a great perspective cuz like that's the way to get through it. And young people should hear that too is that like just be an artist and be famous as a consequence of what you've done. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. As opposed to because >> if you're arrogant, you can't learn anything.
10:49And the most fulfilling thing of this whole thing is learning some stuff. >> Yeah. >> Like that's what's fun. >> Right. Right. >> What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day. [laughter] That's kind of boring. At least to me. >> Well, it's kind of crazy. It >> It is. [laughter] It It really is.
11:04>> And the best way to not think about yourself all day is try to learn something difficult. >> 100%. 100%. >> Yeah. Like when you're doing jiu-jitsu, the last thing you're thinking about >> is yourself. >> You're not thinking about anything. >> Yeah. You're just surviving. >> Thinking about surviving and hoping that he doesn't give you [laughter] that.
11:21>> You know what I mean? >> That's the worst when they cover your [laughter] mouth. It's so humiliating, >> you know? >> Yeah. That's cool that you're doing it though. It's It's very exciting. >> Yeah, it's um [snorts] you know, man, I like that and I like reading, you know, love the books, man. >> What kind of [ __ ] do you read?
11:36I >> read everything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I read everything from Carvon Clausitz to >> Who's that? >> He's a Austrian uh general, Prussian general actually. Prussian Prussian general who um you know talked about this concept called friction and uh he has this uh Clauswitzian triangle where he talks about like you know you have these three these three areas that the pendulum swings over like uh probability and chance logic and reason and uh luck you know and no probability and chance logic
12:09and reason and passion and emnity hatred. So you can look at society right now and you can take a Clauswitzian trinity and put it over society and you know that we're operating in a place of emotions and passions. So logic [clears throat] and reasons wouldn't even >> make any you know wouldn't even mean anything.
12:26So it's the trinity you know so it it really helps you think about life you [snorts] know. >> Interesting. So the grand strategy is the at the center of it all. Government, [clears throat] politics, reason, intelligent, the armed forces, calculation, chance, >> game of chance, odds, values. >> Fascinating.
12:43>> Yeah. Yeah. >> How did you get into this guy? >> I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature, love history, love reading things that um make me better. You know what I'm saying? And what you find out is the more you read, the less you know. The more you know, the more you find out, the more you realize you don't know [ __ ] And because of that, >> it becomes more exciting.

Reading, Clausewitz, and Discipline

13:04So, and I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's like what you talked about, right? >> You know, you're 16, 17, 18 years old now. Either you can get high all day, spend all your money, and twist yourself out and go on a binge, or you can figure out something else. You know what I'm saying? And so, I just >> How did you know that at 16?
13:23had my mother my mother would show me like books of like drug addicts with like saws on their arms and say, "Hey Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens when you, you know, get out in that world. If you can ruin your career and ruin your life, this is what happens." You know, >> and you know, that combined with her telling me, Todd, you know, girls don't like dummies.
13:48You know [laughter] what I'm saying? You know what I mean? you know, not like you trying to be like, you know, Mr. Scientist, like some pedantic super nerd. At the same time, though, >> you want to stay inquisitive, stay curious. You know what I mean? >> Well, women want a man who can navigate life. >> There's no question about that.
14:05>> Yeah. And intelligence is one of the best ways, one of the best tools to navigate life. >> Intelligence, health, >> and uh that that that inner emotional strength. You need intestinal fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? Because if you have intelligence but no willpower, >> you still get banged out, >> right?
14:23>> You just be a smart punk, you know what I mean? That gives up, you [laughter] know what I mean? That gives up early. But you're smart. >> I know why I'm giving up. You know, that kind of >> I know why I'm giving up, but I'm going to go to therapy and and never get better. >> Yeah. I don't >> Yeah.
14:38Yeah. I mean, that's the that's one of the key elements of society today that's not embraced is like discipline. discipline and drive and understanding that you have to have the ability to persevere through difficult times and that giving up there's no there's no virtue in being emotional and giving up.
14:57That's it's the opposite. It's bad for you. Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life, but giving up like that and celebrating that >> and and embracing it, you know, like, oh, he's in he's in he's in touch with his emotions. Is that what that is? >> No, he's in touch with his some [ __ ] that's get him Yeah.
15:11Get him ran over. No, you [laughter] got You know what I mean? Like, yo, yo, you got to see there's empathy is not the same as what you're des right because empathy, we need empathy, but empathy is not the same as >> weakness. >> Exactly. >> And you know, one spark can set a prairie on fire. So, we got to be, >> you know, we got to manage our moods and we got to be able to do what we need to do even when we don't feel like doing it, right?
15:38Because that's the language of success. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> That's a really important quote. One spark can set a prairie on fire because how many people they spiral out from one bad thought they start pursuing. >> There you go. >> Yeah. >> You got to get out of your own way. You know what I'm saying?
15:53Like like that's >> that's super important, man. >> That's super important. >> You know what I mean? Like >> it is, >> you know? Yeah. >> Real talk. >> Yeah. I know. No one teaches you that [ __ ] in school. >> Like you have to have wise people around you to show you that way or you have to slowly figure it out on your own.
16:11>> Yeah. You got to you got to um [clears throat] you got to go through some drama and you got to be able to see the silver lining and you got to have you got to be able to finish the marathon and [clears throat] that requires your ability to, you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's true.
16:33You got to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Like, you got to be able to keep going and understand that there's other there's another side. Like I I heard this guy, I don't know who he was, um so I'm not trying to take credit for this, but this guy said um like if you're on a plane and uh you know, one engine's [snorts] on fire, if you're flying a plane, you keep flying.
16:51And he said if what or else what are you going to do? I mean, yeah, you look to land, but you got to keep going. You don't crash the plane. If if two engines are on fire, what do you do? You keep flying until you can safely. So in life, you don't give up just because one of your engines is not acting the way you want it to, right?
17:10>> You have to treat your your life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right? So you got to >> Well, everybody wants to be comfortable. That's the thing because we're so often uncomfortable that everyone seeks to be comfortable and then once they're comfortable, they want to hold on to it and only be comfortable.
17:26>> Right. And then they stop making progress. >> Exactly. >> They stop evolving and they become defensive. >> You know what I mean? They just crawl up and they become a hedgehog. They just go into a ball and don't try to do nothing in life. >> They also get very upset at ambitious people. >> Well, some can.
17:40Some people can. Well, because it's a reminder, right? Like >> I can understand how painful it might be for somebody who is afraid to go for for that next level, afraid to do that next thing to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing. >> Yeah. But what you have to understand is that like you'll have somebody say to you, I don't want to I don't I don't want to go back to school.
18:04You be like, why? I'm saying if they want to do, oh, because it'll take three years. Well, 3 years from now is going to be three years from now any goddamn way. So, just go back to school. >> So, going back to what you were saying, it's like like the idea of of making it, you just got to be comfortable with the idea that people are going to say what they're going to say anyway.
18:25And you need to go after your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline, >> right? >> Dreams don't have deadlines. You just got to go after it. And you know, >> you lose the battle, you can still win the war, right? With yourself. >> Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> With yourself. Cuz we're not looking for perfection.
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20:07Yeah, it's real and it's real from someone who's actually done it. You know, that's what's really important. People can hear that all day from a motivational speaker, but then you can say to that motivational speaker, what exactly have you done other than motivate people? A lot of them, the list is very small.
20:23>> But you know what's interesting about that? I hear people say that, but you know what my thinking is? Like if a homeless guy tells me don't do push-ups in traffic, I'm going to listen. [laughter] You know, I think I think >> you get bad advice from people that >> that are great >> that are great. And then you get really good advice from idiots.
20:38Every now and then a [ __ ] will tell you something you're like, "Oh [ __ ] So, I'm I'm less inclined to concern myself with who the messenger is. I know it's relevant, >> right? >> But I listen to the message because you have to contextualize the message >> in your life, >> right? That's some Bruce Lee [ __ ] That's like absorb what is useful.
20:58[laughter] >> You know, the way to intercept this >> Bruce was the man. He was the man. >> Bruce is why I got into acting. >> Really? >> Absolutely. >> How'd that happen? Because I mean he was the only dude with a tan that was like doing some cool [ __ ] on [laughter] TV or on the in the movies, you know?
21:11He was a little browny, you know. >> Oh, bro. All my Asian friends were so happy. All my Asian friends were like, "Finally, we have a [ __ ] superhero." >> Yo, Bruce was the man. >> He was the man, dude. >> He was the man. >> He was the man. He changed martial arts for the world. >> Used to be on Jamaica Avenue with the yellow and black game of death SUIT, MAN.

Martial Arts Revolution and Bruce Lee

21:28THE CHINESE [laughter] SLIPPERS. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. Walking down the ass with that [ __ ] Oh, that game of death suit was the [ __ ] >> right? That yellow with the the black stripes with the joint. >> That yellow game of death suit. >> I don't think people understand how revolutionary he was.
21:47All martial arts were all they were all siloed. >> Like if you did kung fu and your instructor caught you doing shodon somewhere, they would be upset with you. >> There was it was very siloed. And Bruce Lee came along and said, "No." >> Who was the first mixed martial artist? >> The first. >> You know what I mean?
22:07I mean, he's doing he's doing American boxing, Chinese boxing, kung fu, salot. >> Yeah. Some karate. Salot is crazy, too. >> Yeah. He did judo and everything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And he put it all together and that was heresy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. People wanted to kill him for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.
22:24Well, that that rumor still persists, right? >> Yeah, it does. Well, I think I think that rumor has to do with the triad with the Chinese mob because they were financing his early movies, >> the Raymond Chow movies that he was doing. >> Yeah. And then he left and when he left them, there was a gigantic dispute.
22:39So when he went to Hollywood, there was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what the the real conspiracy theories. I don't know if they're >> You think he probably just had an aneurysm or whatever that was. Seems like something happened where he had a allergic rea was an allergic reaction to medication or something like that.
22:58>> Yeah, cuz they gave him some pills and he went to sleep. He was at someone's apartment, right? >> Well, I think it's also he probably had some head injuries. You got to realize like he's doing a lot of sparring. He's, you know, they're there he's doing sparring with boxers. He's experimenting with stuff.
23:13He's doing crazy scenes in movies. He accidentally get hit. >> Who knows if he had a brain injury. Okay. Cerebral edema, dangerous swelling of the brain, attributed by the coroner to a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription painkiller >> equic equestic which he took for a headache.
23:35>> Plain of a headache given equestic medication containing aspirin and meromate. Mrobamate probamate. >> Yeah. Where's where's that? [clears throat] >> Uh aspirin and probamate. Yeah. >> He laid down the rest, became unresponsive, cannot be revived after taken to the hospital. Autopsy found severe brain swelling and no external injuries.
23:58The brain swelling itself is well established in the historical record, >> but the pre precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on drug hypersensitivity reaction. Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities including heat related illness and hypo. Well, they're testing us today with >> retrospective hypothesis.
24:18>> Hypo Naturia. >> Hyponetriia. >> Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh. >> All right. >> Retrospective. I'm sorry. It's [clears throat] the plural of hypothesis. Retrospective hypothesis. >> No replacement. Original official ruler. Lee was he was unbelievable, [clears throat] man.
24:39>> Well, he was the the Dao of G. Kundo is the original book of mixed martial arts. >> No question. I love I bought that book when it came out back then. >> I got a copy still. [laughter] >> I love that book. Right. It was soft. It was like a soft cover. You remember that? >> Yep. Soft cover. Big thick ass inside.
24:55>> Yeah, man. >> And he took things from everything. He took things from like western boxing and fainting and jabs and he got from karate Japanese style. Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Ali's footwork. He was, you know, he was >> he did some of that in the movies. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Bruce was a monster. >> But people today, they see that, you know, they see mixed martial arts.
25:15You see all these fighters on television. They see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't understand that back then this was unprecedented. No one had ever done that before. >> Super. >> Yeah. And to be that skillful and do it so he could move so fast that everybody's like, "What the fuck?" >> Lightning quick.
25:32>> Yeah. >> Lightning quick. >> Just changed it for the whole world. Like karate schools just opened up all over the world. >> Crazy. >> But what's crazy at that time it was blurred cuz like people didn't know the difference between karate and kung fu. And it was very blurred. Yeah. >> Was very blurred.
25:46>> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> You just got lucky wherever school you walked into. >> That's right. >> You know, you look open the yellow pages under martial arts. >> That's right. I was up at the YMCA. It's [laughter] karate. I'm like, "Okay, I'm doing say walking dojo." >> You know what I mean?
26:02>> A lot of those YMCA classes. Yeah. >> They were good though. >> Two knuckles, baby. [laughter] >> Yeah. First two knuckles. >> Yeah. It's a a crazy time because like it just got introduced into the world and it took off. It's I I I'm fascinated by things that didn't exist and then all a sudden burst onto the innovation.

Hip-Hop as Empowerment and Aspiration

26:21>> Yeah. >> Well, that's why hip-hop to me is so fascinating, especially early hip-hop because hip-hop as an art form before the 1980s was non-existent in pop culture and then all a sudden it was the dominant force five or six years later. Like people have to understand what it was like. Like when I was a kid and I was when I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar Hill Gang was I was in a lunchroom.
26:43I was in Jamaica Plane, Massachusetts. And at the time it was a bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified. And >> at the time it was uh like there was kids that were 17 years old and they were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy. >> That's Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's that. 17 years old in the eighth grade is some nasty work.
27:01>> Yeah. It was like that. Like no [ __ ] There was kids that should have been graduating from high school and they hadn't even gotten out of middle school yet. >> It was just a lot of like nerd dwells and people that just came from bad homes and bad neighborhoods, but >> it was the first time I had ever heard that.
27:15I remember thinking this is like a different kind of music. Like this is >> Yeah. Because because you know, you live in a neighborhood and you feel invisible. >> Yes. >> You know, and and I think a lot of people can relate to that now. You live in a neighborhood, you feel invisible, your friends get killed, nobody cares.
27:29The news doesn't talk about, you know, they may talk about some major thing, but when your friend down the block gets killed, nobody cares, right? You walk down, you got this diddy bop that you walking with like this and people think you're walking to be cool, but you're really walking cuz you're like, it's like being in the jungle and you're like a lion and you're like walking around trying to stay low and you're watching your environment and your back, right?
27:47I used to have a thing in high school. You do one, two, three behind you. One, two, three behind you the whole time down the hallway. >> Wow. >> You know what I mean? So hip-hop was the first time that I heard young kids like me sound empowered and you know instead of you know cuz all you saw at that time on the if you saw a black kid on the news all you saw was a guy in handcuffs being put into a police car.
28:10>> That was basically it. >> Yeah. >> That and Bruce Lee. >> You know what I mean? So it was like >> it hip hop was the first time I heard people sound powerful, sound empowered, >> you know? It wasn't like the gray poop fancy I have a lot of money thing that it is today when we talked about the money and we that was aspirational.
28:30That's what we wanted. Like you're you're coming from nothing, right? You're coming from the grime and the dirt and you're like rapping about what it could be. So you are you're you're extra macho and you're extra extra bravado and extra because >> you're an underdog, you know. It it it became that to like you know now it's like you know you're on Mount Olympus spitting on you know the peasants you [laughter] know what I mean?
28:55You know what I'm saying? But back then >> right back then it was aspirational. >> It was the opposite. It was the opposite. >> One of my favorite hip-hop videos of all times is Biggie when he was 17 on the street corner. >> Oh. When he was rhyming. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean he's he's a nobody and he's the [ __ ] at the same time.
29:10Yeah, >> he's the [ __ ] s and everybody AROUND HIM GOING A >> HE'S HITTING these lines and his flow was already spectacular. >> That's right. >> Because because you're >> you're basically you're saying what every you're you're like it's like a different version of Sirino, >> but you're doing it for for people.
29:28It's not about romance necessarily. It's not for this particular girl. You're doing it you're speaking. You become a spokesman for the emotions, the angst, the pain, >> the desires, the wishes of the people that are like you. And I'm not talking about just ethnicity. I'm talking about culturally people that are like you that come from >> the energy and the type of places that you come from.
29:50So you speak for them. >> You know what I mean? So when I would walk like when I got the big gold chains on, the big gold chains aren't to say the big gold chains are to show people I have something at that time. It meant, yo, not only do I have something, but I'm tough enough to be able to wear this.
30:06See, jewelry back then was was a message, you know, anywhere, any neighborhood. It was, I can wear this in this neighborhood, >> right? >> That's very different from it becoming like, you know, cigarette holders and I got the jewelry on and it's like a goddamn like everybody's uh Liberace, you know? No disrespect.
30:25You know what I'm saying? Disrespect. [laughter] >> It becomes, you know, I mean, you know, no disrespect. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> My not necessary. >> No, it's that's what's interesting is like that's the first music genre where like open displays of wealth became like standard, >> right?
30:46But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Remember it it wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't at the wealth level. It wasn't that wasn't even the mindset. It was I It was It could be as simple as I have 50 grand in my dresser drawer. I got a gold chain. I got a nice car and I'm doing better than that.
31:06But I couldn't eat 6 months ago, >> right? >> And look what I did. That's very different from, you know, look at my portfolio, >> right? >> And my open ostentatious display of this incredible, you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. The mindset is different, right? Yeah, >> because remember we were taking cues from hustlers too.
31:24Like we got to be honest about that. Like we were looking at the different hustlers. We were looking at the Supreme team and we were looking at, you know, AZ and Rich and Alpo, the guys uptown. We were looking at different people and all of that was affecting us too. So it wasn't so much about like na na na na na to society.
31:40It was more like I did this in spite of, >> right? >> Like you got to think about it like if you're it's like monopoly, right? Like somebody I was talking to the other day, like we play Monopoly and I start off and I got all the paper and you got hardly nothing and I get 60 70% of the property and then I say, "Okay, now let's play."
32:05If you can go around that board and come up, you're going to [ __ ] feel good about yourself. [laughter] You might throw a chain ON OR SOMETHING. YOU MIGHT SMILE A LITTLE BIT DURING that game [laughter] after a while. And so you got to think about it from that mindset. Now we've lapped people have lapped this, you know, the game so many times that it's not perceived the same way.
32:26But at that time it wasn't about showing off. >> The car was about, yo, I really did this, >> right? >> Like I got I have something because having something is a major accomplishment. When you got nothing, I don't care if you're in a trailer park, you're in the inner city, you're in the hood, wherever you at, when you are able to accomplish something, >> that's a hell of a feeling.
32:46>> Yes. >> Right. That's and and so it wasn't about like so the idea of financial fiscal responsibility and wealth. Nobody's thinking about that [ __ ] >> I want a Benz. [laughter] >> I want a Benz, bro. Yo, I just want to I want a Ben. >> I remember sitting with the accountant. I'm like, yo, he's like, yeah, we're going to do I want a Benz.
33:06He's [laughter] like, yeah, we're going to take care of this. We got I want a Benz, >> you know. And it's like so we, you know, like I never lost the >> Yeah, you do stuff with money and all that, but I never lost the mindset >> of, you know, where you really from. Like people, yo, it's easy to forget.
33:25I mean, look, you're the you're like one of the most red people I know because I watch, you know, the stuff and everything. You could it's you could be in a bubble and forget it. If you didn't get in that gym and you didn't roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders of humanity, you could forget in the life, this world that we live in.

Staying Grounded and Avoiding Isolation

33:44>> Yeah. >> It's easy to forget. So, I I kind of, >> you know, I just comforting to keep that in mind. You you said what? >> It's comforting to forget. >> It's easy to fall into a a band of yes men and be insulated, especially in Hollywood. >> Oh, 100%. But then you're not relatable and then you can't learn and you can't handle.
34:03>> Well, you also go crazy. Oh, without a doubt. That's the >> might be Howard Hugh. No disrespect. No disrespect. [laughter] >> You know what I mean? You'd be in the in the room till the 70s. >> Yeah. >> With all the paper and tissue around you. >> Well, it's kind of Howard's turn now. He like he hides in the Hamptons now.
34:19>> That's That's rough. >> He didn't do his pod his radio show rather from his studio for a long time. He did it all remotely. >> Yeah. You you know >> people start getting weird with germs. They start worry about getting sick. >> Yeah. That's it. >> Gets very strange. start washing their hands all day long.
34:35>> Well, I mean that's okay. No, I wash my I get a little hypoc cleanse. Wash my hands, but all that, [laughter] you know, I wash my hands. You know what I mean? >> But I think with, you know, no disrespect to Howard because I'm a giant fan of his and you know, I think he's the pioneer of all this stuff.
34:48But I think you >> Well, I mean, he's named after an African-American university, so that's the No, I'm kidding. I'm go ahead. [laughter] >> I'm kidding. But he was he that's part of his lore is he grew up in an all black neighborhood. [laughter] It really is. But he uh he got he got so famous. He got so famous and so big and so huge and so much money and I think there's a real um potential to be isolated when that happens.
35:13People get mad at you. I do too. >> Yeah. I like how I did a show quite a few times. You know, he was always cool to me. He really was. And he gave me love like in the early years when I first started. I got to be honest, he he embraced me. He gave me, you know, he kind of like let me come on the show and let me you know what I'm saying?
35:29And that that to me, you know, I'm not saying that what you're saying is like >> No, listen. I'm not I'm not disrespectful. I don't think you are. I think he's a legend. And I think if it wasn't for him, you can become isolated. You can become isolated. It's And it's also it's very hard to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous.
35:46It just gets weird >> for some people. Unless you force yourself to just do uncomfortable things all the time. >> You know what? >> And in public. >> Well, success. Success likes likes you to be outside, right? It's it's kind of hard to find success when you're not networking. You could do certain things, but I heard a guy say the other day, you know, you put a painting on your garage wall and whether even if the doors open, it's kind of hard to get people excited, you know what I mean?
36:18As opposed to putting it in the gallery. So, you have to interact. But, you know me, >> like I'm an introvert even though I do all this stuff. Are you really? Yeah. You would think I But when I go home, I got to read. I got to relax. I got to recharge. Like I can't, you know what I mean? I can't I don't like being surrounded by a thousand people.
36:34But I have a different reason for it because I just learned that it brings problems >> because you can't manage everybody's behavior. >> Right. Right. >> So, and then when the problem happens, then it's LL, >> right? Right. >> LL's friends. Yeah. >> Right. >> Part of LL's crew. >> You see? Yeah. >> So, you got So, so it's kind of [laughter] >> Yeah.
36:57today in the news. You know what I'm [laughter] saying? You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Especially when you're on a cop show. >> Well, you know what? In [laughter] No, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny. You know, I didn't even really think Yo, that's pretty funny, bro. You know, that's pretty funny, >> bro.
37:11I I think about it all the time with with Iced Tea cuz I was a giant Iced Tea fan. Still am, but giant Iced Tea fan growing up. And he had that song Cop Killer. Remember? He had that song with Body Count his Yeah, but a man that can con himself is greater than a man who can conquer a city. Right. So, >> right.
37:30There you go. But it's just funny. >> No, it is. It is. But you know what? >> You know, like Ice says, >> he hustling. >> Yeah, of course. >> I said, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. I mean, he was in pimps up, hoes down. Remember that? >> Without a doubt. [laughter] >> Without a doubt. >> Green is for the money.
37:47Gold is for the honey. >> This is crazy. >> Don magic wand. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Mr. White folks, man. Oh, Mr. [laughter] White Folks was bananas. Bananas. Yo. Yo, >> it was hilarious. >> Yo, >> bro. Yeah. So, like, yeah, ISTD's been hustling since the very beginning. >> He's another another pioneer without a doubt.

Early Hip-Hop Pioneers and Global Reach

38:11>> It But what what I want people to really understand is kids today don't understand because hip-hop is just a part of their life. It's a part of music. It emerged and it emerged so quickly from you go from Sugar Hill Gang which was 80 what was it? >> That was 79. The rappers the light was 79 >> and then you got like NWA and it happens very quickly.
38:31>> 100%. >> It happens very quickly. You got Public Enemy. It happens very quickly and all of a sudden you have Fight the Power and you're like whoa what is this? >> 100%. You know what's funny about the Public Enemy? I'll tell you a quick little insight. Their their logo is actually my friend E. love my they Chuck D from Public Enemy took a picture of my man standing next to me on stage and put him in silhouette.
38:53>> Really? >> Yeah. So, when you look at the Public Enemy logo, that's actually my man E Love. >> Um that that uh that created Yeah. That's my man E- Love right there behind that. And you probably if you actually you could probably Google E Love Public Enemy LL CoolJ you know and and you'll find out that like you know see rest in peace E love aka the the public enemy logo and see that's my man E love see us down there see that's us yeah so that's E but he just had happened to be
39:22standing see the hat just happened to be standing in a different pose. >> Wow. >> But that's what Yeah. He's the logo. May he rest in peace. That was my man. >> Wow. That was my man. >> He was a good dude. That was my man. He passed away, but he was like when we did Crush Groove and all that and we did the first hip-hop, one of the It was a early hip-hop.
39:41It wasn't first, one of the early hip-hop movies. He was standing next to me with the box. Him and my man Cut Creative. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to my man Philpot. Cut Creative. >> Wow. >> And then Run DMC, of course. >> Run DMC. You know, those are my friends. You know what I'm saying? Runjo, you know, JMJ, rest in peace.
39:57You know, they uh they took me on tour. you know, they took me on tour around the world. We went all over the place. You know what I'm saying? It was bananas. >> It's It's just bananas. Like to for people to really get it in their mind what a change that was in music and know this emergent power and style just took over pop culture where kids were dressing like them like everybody wanted to be like them.
40:24>> Look at that. Dick Clark. >> I did Dick Clark in 85. >> Oh [ __ ] [laughter] >> Yeah. I did. Yeah. Look at Dick Clark. Yeah. It's so funny. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> That's crazy, right? >> That's crazy. >> You know what I mean? >> That's crazy. >> That was Yo, that was like it was like an unbelievable experience.
40:40You know what I'm saying? Like I would go to London and you know, you know, be like looking for fast food. Like, yo, just please like I didn't understand [laughter] Yorkshire pudding. I didn't understand none of that. >> How old were you >> when I went to L? Maybe 17. >> Wow. >> Yeah, we went right away.
40:57>> Wow. >> Right away. Oh, yeah. >> Wow. >> Oh, yeah. What was the reception like over there? >> It was incredible. It was incredible at first. Now, at one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put the love song out, >> I got booed. Not booed, but like people were mad. Yeah. Because guys were upset that I was willing to be that vulnerable.
41:16>> But I like I like them chicks though. I like them [laughter] chicks though, baby. I was I was like I like them girl. I'm like, "Yo, I need I got to do this." You know what I'm saying? But um nah, they gave me a lot of love and you know, we used to tour all over the place. That's funny that that song >> that song it it was huge but then there was a little you know there was a little corner.
41:33>> Well the problem is the other stuff was so hard >> right? >> Your other stuff was so hard. >> But that's more real life isn't it? >> But isn't that more real? >> Well it's balance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both. >> I mean you know you go home you get what you got.
41:47I mean you are you do got a couple of personalities don't you? Like I mean we all do, right? >> You should. >> So my art reflected the real. Like I'm just keeping it 100. Like you [laughter] guys want to keep it 50 and call it 100. >> You know what I'm saying? >> They just didn't want to expose that part of themselves.
42:02Meanwhile, they probably like that song when they're alone >> in their room staring at the wall. No question. [laughter] No question. No question. >> Wow. So, was hip hop taking off over there as well with like artists? Were new artists were emerging in >> England? Yes. Yes, it was. Uh well at that time there wasn't as many but they got into hip-hop very early.
42:25The whole world like there's a whole lineage of artists that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip-hop in their own countries. I can't name them all but like in France you had MC Solar but there was people before him like you know there's different my man spats in Germany. There was people before him obviously.
42:44Uh I always get the name wrong but it starts with an N and a number. I just can't remember. Um, but yeah, I mean hip-hop, like I would go to Japan, you know, and they be singing the words to the song verbatim and then can't speak English, but they rap the song. >> Wow. [laughter] >> Yeah. Crazy. [gasps] >> It's amazing.
43:04>> Wow. >> But it made me respect cultures all over the world, though. It made me It gave me a different kind of mindset for people around the world. You know what I'm saying? How I view things. Cuz you can be real myopic. I mean, if when I first started going, I'd land and be like, "Yo, take me to the black neighborhood.
43:21Let me just see what it looks like." Like, what do you mean? We're in Japan. [laughter] You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, "So, just take [laughter] me where it's hip-hopish." And then you start getting exposed and you see kids that love graffiti and they love the arts and they love hip-hop and you come to find a a newfound respect.
43:41>> Like, I did a a a record in Germany with my man and he in Spats. I think I'm saying his name right. I mean, he's rapping in German. I'm rapping in English. People in America don't know about the song, but it was like a thing I did over there. And you know, you just get into a whole world. You know what I'm saying?
43:57>> Yeah. Well, I love uh Brazilian hiphop cuz I can't speak Portuguese. I just like listening to the sounds. >> You know, funny. I I think the to me the language that sounds like most impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would say is French. >> French. French sounds incredible. >> French hip hop sounds incredible.
44:16>> Yo, French hip hop is dope. >> French hip hop is dope. >> Yeah, it is. >> Yo, French hip hop is dope for real. You know what I'm saying? I like I like Brazilian. I'm Portuguese. You know what I'm saying? But French is a You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> You know, I love the I love the music of the whole world though.
44:33You know what I'm saying? For different reasons. You know what I mean? >> France is fascinating to me. >> Yeah. >> You know, you know, it's a a hyper point of mixed martial arts now. >> Yeah. A lot of elite fighters are coming out of France, including the heavyweight champion of the world, serial gone.
44:46He's from France. >> Yeah, Cedric Dumbbe is this dude who fights in the PFL who's like one of the best kickboxers alive who's [ __ ] people up in MMA now. >> Yeah, >> I know. Sirill was >> I mean, he's a monster. >> He's a freak. He He has changed my thoughts on bases like for sports to entry. Well, he's a Muay Thai fighter, but here's the point.

Basketball, Footwork, and Fighting

45:09He played basketball. >> That's interesting. >> This is why I think basketball is a huge factor for big athletes in particular. If you can play good at basketball, the thing about being good at basketball is you have to be able to change direction constantly. You have to be able Yes. You're tennis would be a good one, but it's not constant.
45:28It's bump bump bump. Basketball, you're constantly engaging. There's a ball and people and it's all about juking and movement and it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. Well, you can get a guy as big as serial gun. So, he's 248 lb, but moves like a cat. And I think a big part of that is he spent so much time.
45:49It's like plyometrics. Like, you're doing constant plyometrics when you're doing basketball. Plus, hand eye coordination cuz you have a ball and you're moving the ball while you're back and forth, which is very similar to punching. >> Footwork. >> Yes. >> Footwork is hugely important. >> Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands >> and distance management.
46:08And he can play, man. And he can dunk. >> I saw that. I saw Yeah, I saw this clip before. Yeah, that boy. And he's really playing. >> Yes, he's really playing. I think there's something legitimate to that as a base because you're constantly jump like soccer is another one. Soccer is a tremendous base for MMA cuz those guys have great cardio and their legs, they can constantly move back and forth and like they don't get tired.
46:32>> That makes sense. >> It's a huge factor. >> That makes sense. If you can get that kind of movement, most people don't have that kind of movement, like an elite basketball player movement. [clears throat] And if you're a guy who's like plotting and like, you know, heavy-footed and you're like moving forward and there's a guy that's just like light on his toes, moving and you can't hit him.
46:52>> He's nowhere to be found. That's a big factor. >> Yeah, I agree. And if you combine that with, you know, >> mindset, animal mindset and intellect. >> Yeah. Now you're really playing at a different level, right? If you can get you can do one so they do two so you can grab the three. You know what I mean?
47:08If you can really, you know, if you're really thinking that way now you're at a whole another level cuz that makes the difference too. It's the it's the mindset and the intellect. Like when you look at Floyd like you know >> Yes. >> Yo, the intellect, the traps he's setting. Yes. >> You know, the process, the standing in front of you, the giving you something just to take it away and catch you, you know, like those little things that matters.
47:31And you can't hit him and he's right in front of you. >> That's right. >> He's not moving around and he's not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No, he's right in front of you shoulder. >> He's just giving you a little something. >> He's just giving you just just cuz you're telling on yourself.
47:47>> He's looking at your hips. He's looking at your elbow. You know, you're telling on yourself and he just, >> you know what I mean? >> Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front of people. >> Him. Sweet pee. >> Sweet pee. Sweet pee would move too. He would stand right in front of you, but he would also >> he would be moving backwards and getting out of there.
48:03He was he was incredible with that. There's also this Italian there's this Italian boxer. You got to look it up. He's like a um I I think he's like Floyd before Floyd even before Floyd's pops. Look for the eno. Look for um like I No, no, actually he's arg he's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian.
48:24And he's uh um he's one of the most incredible elusive fighters I've ever seen in my life. >> What year was this? >> This is I want to 40s, 50s, 60s. Like look Italian. >> Yeah, you got him. Watch. Watch this. >> What's his name? >> Um Nicol Nicolino. Yeah, >> Nicolino. >> Watch Nicolino. Watch. Watch Nicolino.
48:46Watch. Watch. No, this ain't him. That's That's not him. >> They're comparing him to other people. >> Yeah. No, you gotta But f Yeah, here he is. Yeah. Now, watch. Watch him. Watch him. Watch him. Watch him. Watch. >> Oh, they're comparing. Like, get him. Find him. Look at that. Look at it. Look at this.
48:59Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. >> Oh, I have seen this guy. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this [ __ ] This is This is This This is cra You know, you can't like Like I mean, he's unbelievable. And this is like a bad fight because I'm looking at his eye and it looked like he didn't, you know, but I mean when you really watch him, unbelievable.

Boxing Legends and Family History

49:17When you get him on the ropes, you find him on the ropes. I mean, this guy is just unbelievable. Nicolino Luche, what's his last name? >> Loi Loce. I'm not sure. Loi. >> Yo, he is just I mean his like when you get like you can't hit him like that's all Floyd. You see it? You see it right? >> And this is early.
49:39Yo, this was a lot of guys like this back then. >> Look at this. Look at Look, watch this. Look at this. Come on, baby. >> Have you ever seen Willie Pep? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Will Pep's another one. He won an an entire round without throwing. >> Yeah. He was unbelievable. Willie Pep. Come on.
49:55You know, my my um my uncle was John um John Henry Lewis. He was a light heavyweight champion. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That was your uncle? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My grand uncle. My you know, my mother's uncle. So, you've been a boxing fan since you were really young. >> I've been a actually here's the crazy thing.
50:12I didn't even know that I had all of these boxers in my family till I did my DNA research with Henry Lewis Gate on finding your roots and they did this whole thing and came to find out all of these people in my lineage for real. Like this is cuz my mother was adopted. That's why that's why I didn't know.
50:32>> And then I came to find out yo my uncle all in like he's in the Hall of Fame. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. He He was He was good. John Henry Lewis. Wow. >> Pull him up. Pull up John Henry Lewis. It's my Yeah, him. That's my uncle. >> Wow. >> You know what I'm saying? He was unbelievable. >> It's unbelievable.
50:47He was incredible. He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to he was light heavyweight. He went up to heavyweight, got knocked out by Joe Lewis really quickly, but he was a unbelievable fighter, you know. He was a Yeah. Yeah. He was he was powerful. >> That's awesome. >> That's crazy, right? So you you know so the fight game I love the fight game.
51:07I love it. Like I I you know sometimes I tell them I miss my kids wedding to see a good boxing match. [laughter] >> Honey, I'm sorry. I know you I'll walk you down the aisle in an hour. Yo. >> Well, there's something very definitive about it. It's like everybody understands what's going on. Like you could you don't have to be a fan of boxing to understand what boxing's going what hap what's happening.
51:29You combat sports in general. >> Yeah. You're watching two people's souls get exposed. >> That's what I was about to say. >> Yeah. Because it's a soul test. >> Yeah. >> Cuz when you're in the fire now, it's about your soul. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because >> you know what you're dealing with. >> Yeah. >> You know, because there there's a saying, you can look at a man's eyes and tell his rank.
51:51>> You can see a person's rank in their eyes. You know what I mean? And I'm not talking about the arrogant I might rank. I'm talking about their rank skill level. >> Yeah. That who they are, >> right? >> Who they are. It might not even be their skill level, but who they are. Because your skill level can fluctuate, it can evolve, it can change, but you know what you're dealing with, >> right?
52:09Like if you get a pitbull puppy or if you get a, you know, uh, you know, a rahdesian rigback, >> you know, >> or razor back, is it razor back or ridgeback? >> Ridgeback. >> Yeah. You get one of like you can look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with. It reminds me of that movie. Remember the Samurai movie when he gave him the sword or the ball >> and he said, "Pick one."
52:29>> What movie was that? It was um it was the one where the guy was he was traveling around and his wife was killed and then um they said uh nah this is this is real [ __ ] And he said they he put the the sword in front of his son and he put a ball in front of his baby son. He said if you pick the ball Shogun assassin that's what it is.
52:47Yeah. You choose the sword or the ball. >> If the kid chose the ball he was going to kill him. >> Let me see that scene. >> Well that was not >> that's not the actual scene but it's it's a great scene. It's a great scene because he found out what was inside of his son, >> right? >> You know what I mean?
53:03>> Wow. [laughter] >> That's heavy. [clears throat] >> I love it, man. >> Well, that's the thing that trainers have to deal with. There's certain people that as you're training them, you realize they they just don't have it. There's something about them. They don't they don't have Then there's other people that you start training right away like, "Oh, if this guy can figure out how to keep this fire burning, >> he's got it inside of him."

Thriving Versus Surviving

53:22Because like when you hear people say and this is like no disrespect but this is like the thing [laughter] when you when you hear people say I'm maintaining or same old [ __ ] I I don't really like that >> because you want to thrive not survive. I actually got that from Glick. That's his quote. But you want to thrive not survive.
53:40So it's just like being on the mat. You want to thrive. So some people live their lives defensively. >> Yeah. >> And they don't take the opportunity to seize the neck when they can and like Yeah. That's the sword of the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, "Yo, >> you choose this ball, you will join your mother."
53:58>> Whoa. >> His mother's gone, right? You choose the sword. >> He's a little baby. >> Yeah. Exactly. Crazy. Exactly. You choose the sword and you come with me. >> Oh, wow. >> And he put the sword down and he put the ball down. >> And watch this. Watch this. [laughter] >> Yo. Yo. And somebody wrote, "Bloody revenge.
54:16Pick up a ball and join their mother in death is absolutely insane work." Yo, the quote is hilarious. And then the little boy, he he's growing. He's going. He's going. And then Yeah. Well, and ultimately he picks the sword. Ultimately, he picks the sword. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. >> That's life though.
54:38>> That is life, >> right? But you got to wonder how much of that is like just destiny. How much of that is inside of you? Cuz certain people just have they're born different. They're born with a different mindset. They're born with a different personality. >> That's true. >> This episode is brought to you by Visible.
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55:37or get the premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month with promo code Rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. One thing I would say about that though is that that's true, but you also have to have self-awareness. So what does that mean?
56:02That means that if I know I have a proclivity or a certain thing that I go, you know, I can make certain thing, you know what I mean? Like I know I'm not hungry in a certain area. You can decide to improve. Yeah. >> Now, that doesn't mean it's easy. I didn't say it's easy. And that doesn't mean that I can't relate to people going through stuff cuz people go through stuff and that's legit.
56:27>> But you can decide to be better. I didn't say it's easy. But you can decide to be better, right? >> Yeah. >> It's kind of like the the the pro and the amateur. The amateur says to the pro, I want to be where you are. >> I want to be at the level you're on. And the pro says, well, you're going to have to sacrifice.
56:45You're going to have to dig deep. You're going to have to be go through some pain. You're going to go through some trials. It's going to be tough for you. And the amateur says, that's easy for you to say you're a pro, [laughter] right? You feel what I'm saying? >> Yeah. That's because a lot of times people [snorts] >> they suspend success in advance.
57:05They say that's too hard, >> right? >> Oh, that's easy for you to that's easy for you to say means I interpret that to mean that's too hard for me or I think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too hard for you. You just don't want to be uncomfortable. >> Yeah, >> but that's not easy. And see that's the part like I'll give you an example like and you may have heard this.
57:32You'll be on a set somewhere and yo how you doing? Living the dream. People say living the dream. Most of the time when they say that it's it almost sounds like they're upset but they're trying to keep themselves happy. But what they don't fail to realize is when you dream of roses you get thorns. If you and I decide we're going to go on an adventure and we going to climb Mount Everest and we put the work in.
57:52That doesn't mean we're not going to deal with weather. We're not going to deal with slippery slopes. our our legs aren't going to be burning from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It just it doesn't mean it's easy. It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that we're going after, but challenges are difficult.
58:09So, success is difficult. And I think that particular piece right there is what people forget and they miss. >> Well, I think young people today also are looking for something to happen quickly. >> No question. You know what's crazy? So, I got this theory. I got a hypothesis. I got a lot of them, Joe.

Internet Culture and Real Life

58:26Okay. I'm out of my mind. So, it's like the internet is like a script, right? >> Yeah. >> But real life is on its feet. You ever been on, you've been on set, you did show, you did all kind. So, you know, sometimes you can have a script and it doesn't work on its feet. They'll say, "Oh, this isn't working once you put it on its feet."
58:44Well, guess what? If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing with a script the whole time. Then you get in real life and you're awkward. You can't interact with people, etc. because what you've learned in this script and what you've studied isn't working on its feet. You following what I'm saying?
58:59So, in other words, like in other words, >> what works behind a keyboard, >> like you know, when Mike says people got too comfortable with saying stuff and not getting punched in the face for what works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I walk into your studio and me and you are kicking it.
59:16>> Right. >> Right. Right. That's what but I think people so to go back to what you're saying with kids a lot of times not all because a lot of there are a lot of animals out there that want it but a lot of them they want real life to work like the internet instant validation. Everybody loves me. >> Instant this.
59:35Instant that. >> Order the drink. Order the stuff. >> Get the thing. >> But real life you got to really get out there and hunt. You got to really get out there in the woods, you know, like the internet will reward you for chopping down trees in the wrong forest. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know.
59:59>> Yeah. >> But in real life, you got to put your ladder against the right wall, right? >> That that is the weird thing about the internet. And then a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people >> just streaming. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And so then there's a lot of young kids where they look at that as an avenue for life where you're not creating anything really.
1:00:17You're not becoming better at anything really. There's no art. >> And here's the thing about it though. Here's the thing. I believe I think that some streamers really are artists >> and they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like when I see a a kid like Speed going out and doing his stuff and running around, >> Yeah.
1:00:33that's doing things. >> But he's doing things but it it feels like to me that it's coming from here. Yeah. >> Right. Some people are just turning a camera on and saying anything for clicks. >> Right. >> Right. No disrespect to them, [laughter] but we should name We should do the title of this. No disrespect.
1:00:50But but the reality is that >> that's not you're not really doing anything and you're going to get rewarded. You'll you'll make money. You'll buy cars. You'll buy stuff, but you're going to feel empty. >> Your soul won't evolve. >> Yeah. You should you should find something that you could express yourself in, something that's legitimate, something that is uniquely you.
1:01:13>> What would you do if you were if you weren't afraid? Right? That's always the big question. If you weren't afraid, if you weren't afraid, what would you do? >> I always say if you had a documentary crew filming your life and it was a a story about your success, but it all starts now. >> Live like that.
1:01:29>> Like live live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success. Yeah. >> Do all the things that that person would do. >> Decide like what is it that kind of person would do? What what is what are the steps they would take to succeed? >> That's powerful, too. That's powerful because it's like um you know, you're channeling something.
1:01:49That's like channeling it, you know? It's it's it's kind of it's not fake it till you make it, but in a way it's embodying what you want to ultimately become. >> Yeah. >> Right. Like if you were watching a documentary on a very inspirational person like look at this [ __ ] crack a dong gets in the ice bath you know he's out there running on the road he's getting his work in he's doing this like that's what you would you would say god I want to be like that guy well just >> just do it and then you know the thing
1:02:15is right you know what Joe and this is the language of success we're talking about right now you got to be relentless that's why like shout out to my man Tim Grover he wrote the book Relentless he um trained Michael Jordan he trained and Kobe. Um, I work with him sometime. We good vibe, good friend of mine.
1:02:33>> You have to be relentless. The book is great, by the way. People should check it out. But you have to be relentless in life. Like, you have to really, really want it. I didn't say it was easy. Please don't conflate relentless with easy or relentless with every moment's going to be a better roses. That's not what I said.
1:02:51I said you have to be relentless. You know what I'm saying? Like you have to be hungry. Like I come here, you have beautiful studio, the stuff. This is a a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in and being relentless, right? And you have to be comfortable with who you are and stop trying to be someone else.
1:03:14Oscar Wild had the best quote. He said, "Be yourself. Everybody else is already taken." [laughter] >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Yeah, >> you feel me? >> Oh, yeah. >> I think for a lot of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly know who they are. >> Well, they know what they A lot of people know what who they they know what they want, but they're scared to they're scared to >> deal with it because they feel like that's not something that other people would be into.
1:03:43It goes back to me making a love song in the middle of like hardcore hip-hop, [laughter] right? Uh-oh. What will other people say? Was that before or after uh Mama Said Knock You Out? >> That was before. Yeah, that was way before. Yeah, >> that was many years before. >> Cuz that's one of the hardest songs of all time.

Mama Said Knock You Out and Music

1:03:58That's one of the hardest songs. Mama said, "Don't call it a comeback, baby." >> Come on, man. >> That's one of the hardest songs of all time. But you also mix it up with [ __ ] like going back to Cali. Yeah. Reuben smooth. >> Yeah. Alvin Blues. >> Yeah. Her bikini [snorts] small heels tall. She said she likes the ocean.
1:04:19[laughter] She showed me the beach. Gave me a peach. [laughter] >> Now my bed is fast. Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun. >> Oh my god, man. You got some classics. You got some real CL. Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met. >> Yeah. It's so funny.
1:04:37Like my first album, radio, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. >> Does it really? >> Yes. It's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it says reduced by Rick Rubin. >> Wow. >> Yeah. because he wanted to strip everything away. It's kind of like in life, right? It's like stripping down. I've come to realize that stripping away tends to be a lot more interesting than piling it on, >> right?
1:05:02>> You know what I mean? In a lot of instances, it's about you need context, but it really works. and he just stripped down because prior to that most of the hip-hop that was on record, I'm not talking about the the the the streets cuz the tapes were different. But on record, it was a lot of bands >> and a lot of, you know, a lot of musicality.

Rick Rubin and Making Catch This Break

1:05:19Records were like disco records. They were like 10 minutes long, 12 minutes long, 8 minutes, 9 minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So, I'm rapping over a simple beat and I'm just, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And it just became this thing, you know? How did you get to know him? >> So, so it's so funny.
1:05:38He made a record. He produced a record called It's Yours by Tie Rock and it was on the Streetwise Party Time label, but it was Def Jam Productions. Tie Rock is Yours. I bought that record. Loved the record. Had his number. I still remember this number. 21242066. [laughter] >> Someone's going to get the phone off.
1:06:04>> My bad. No disrespect. No disrespect. [laughter] And then so so I did that and [snorts] um I called them every day. I sent a tape in me and my man my mother to let me backtrack a little. So I had sent demo tapes to a lot of labels um at that time that I thought might be handling rap. One of them being Sugar Hill, some others.
1:06:26And they all kind of gave me these standard notes. We can't we we can't use your material at this time. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know, the standard rejection letter. So my mother found one crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected now. I've been trying for two years cuz I started became a fan at 8. Started writing at 11 or 12.
1:06:42At 14 I started working on demos. And now here I am 16, late 15, early 16 working on this demo. I get this rejection. She gets her tax return. You know, you know, um, shout out to the people who actually get tax returns. Like that's pretty, you know, you know, that's a whole another conversation. I want to digress.
1:07:04But anyway, my mother got a tax return, you know, and that tells you everything. She was happy. So that tells you where we were at, right? She I tell her, she sees the letter. She's like, "Todd, what's wrong? I'm in there in my room. I'm dejected. I'm depressed." I'm like, "Oh, you know, I'mma quit. Not going to do it no more.
1:07:24I'mma quit. I'm going to give up." She said, "No, Todd, you sound as good as some of the guys on those guys on the radio, the people I hear on your tapes. You sound as good as them. You should keep going." I said, "Well, I don't have any equipment. I don't have stuff. I I can't make a demo. They don't like what I'm doing."
1:07:39She took her tax return and bought me a Corg drum machine. She bought me that Corg drum machine and me and my man Frankie, shout out to my man Spin Master Finesse. Frankie, we went Frankie Forbes. We went out. We went to his house. We were so excited. We didn't even I couldn't even wait to learn how to program it.
1:07:58Reading the instructions, we did a pause tape. I'm played I played the beat, he did the scratching. I played the beat, he did the scratching. I did that. I wrapped over it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm. He had a dorm, five university place. He was in the dorms at NYU. >> Wow. >> Ad Rock from the Beasty Boys.
1:08:19Adam Harvest from the Beasty Boys. Heard my demo. He played it for Rick. I was calling Rick every day after I sent it. Like a day or two later, I'm like, "You get the tape yet?" "Nope." "Yo, Rick, you get the tape yet?" "Nope." I would call him. I would call there like two, three, four times every day.
1:08:34Finally, Adrock heard it. Played it for Rick. Rick called me up. Well, he called my house. My grandmother picked up, screwed his [ __ ] his name up crazy, you know, slick Dick Rubin, DICK ZUBIN, YOU [laughter] KNOW, MY GRANDMA. I'M LIKE, "OH MY GOD, RICK RUBIN." She's like, you know, so I get I call him.
1:08:53He's like, "Yeah, come down to the studio. We're going to go in. Come come come down tomorrow." I go down. I get on the subway. I'm doing handstands on the subway. I'm so damn happy. You know what I'm saying? I'm like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York. You know what I mean? Like literally like so happy.
1:09:07I'm like turning myself upside down with my [laughter] legs against the beams like about to tear this world up. I get on the um train, go down to Five University. Rick comes down. I said he said, "Hey, what's up, man?" I said, "You're Rick?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "I thought you was black. [laughter] Look at him right there."
1:09:28And that guy, he looks at me, he goes, "Cool." [laughter] Then we go upstairs. We go upstairs and I'm looking at the satanic. Yo, he's so crazy. We go upstairs. >> We made a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo. We went across town right after we made it and saw Russell Simmons. Played it for Russell.
1:09:45Russell was like, "H, same old thing. Sounds like this, that one, that one. Like, okay. Me and Rick go back in the studio. Ad Rock programs a beat for Rick. Rick produces everything. He gets Jazzy Jay to do scratching. We do We do this thing. I need a beat. Russell, they're like, "It's so good. They're going to start their own label called Death Jam.
1:10:08They're going to start their own label, not just a production company, but an actual label." And they put that song out and we ended up going in. It was independent. We did two singles. It's me and AD Rock. And then we ended up, you know, it Death Jam became the thing that people know today. >> Wow. >> Yeah.
1:10:24But it all started back then. >> How did Reuben get involved? Like it's such a fascinating character. He's such a like a He sees things. >> Well, he's a See, the key the thing is having a POV and being a fan. You don't have to be classically trained in something to have a POV and to be a fan and to have taste because ultimately >> whether it's us being here, whether it's us picking a t-shirt, a book, a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste.
1:10:55Taste is something that you can't That's the great delineating factor between a lot of things is taste. He has great taste. >> Yeah. Rick can say that's cool and it will be at least to us, right? We can't I can't say that everything we ever did is cool to everybody, but to us it was cool, >> right? >> You know what I mean?
1:11:16So when we do Rock the Bells, it's like >> it's cool, >> you know? It's like when we do these songs, I can't live without my radio. Rock the bells, all this stuff. It's it it just felt cool. Jack the Ripper. It just felt cool. You know what I'm saying? To us. >> And that's how it is. And that's for to me that's the thing that makes Rick so fun to work with is because he wasn't afraid to tell you >> I'm not sure that's it.
1:11:43>> Like me and you can't me and you can't have a real rapport if you can't tell me your charge a t-shirt. I don't know whatever you know. >> Yeah. >> We can't >> but he would tell you. >> Yeah. >> You know like my name like you know like I had a friend Playboy Mikey D. had it from a lot of dudes with like romantic incline names that had them kind of names on it.
1:12:03So I was ladies love Cool James. >> He's like, "Yo, that's long for the record, man." You know, for the label, there's a lot to LL. [snorts] Yeah. Cool. Let's do it. >> You know what I mean? Like it's it's all those little things, you know? And that's the thing about Rick, >> you know what I'm saying?
1:12:18Taste is a big deal. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. and the fact that you respect his taste. Like he's he's intelligent enough where you're like take it into consideration because there's a lot of people that have opinions. >> So, you know, it's so funny. You're right about that. You know, people always tell you like you hear somebody say, "You got to surround yourself with great people."
1:12:37How do you know they're great people? >> Right. Well, especially when you're 16. >> Exactly. So, >> you just have to follow your intuition. >> Yes. >> That's the the biggest tool in your toolbox. >> Yes. your gut is is going to be the thing, right? And I always followed that. Like there was times I would tell Rick, "Nah, nah, Rick, that ain't it."
1:12:56And he would be like, "You sure?" I'm like, "But then other times he'd be like, "Oh, this is it." And I'm like, "Yeah, you sure?" He's like, "Yeah." You know, and I would listen. Like going back to Cali is a classic example. Initially, I said, "I don't think so." Cuz I hated this [ __ ] Really? >> Yeah.
1:13:12I was like, "I don't think so. [laughter] Eat that.
1:13:19You didn't like that song? >> And then because it sounded different like at first when we were it was the demo version and I was like I don't think so. He was like yo that sounds crazy. I'm like yeah. And then I said it I'm like oh that's kind of cool. Like you know [laughter] I don't think you know it became a thing you know.
1:13:35>> So you have to >> you know it's just like martial arts. It's like anything adjustments. >> Yes. >> Right. Taste adjustments >> and doing things that work for you. Right. your mind, your creativity, your voice, your tenor, you know, your when you're involved in like the editing process of a song, like when it says reduced by Rick Rubin, did you and Rick like sit down together and listen to it and try to sort it out?

Simplicity, Taste, and Songwriting

1:14:00Did you listen to it independently? >> Like, >> so at that time I was I would more listen to what he was saying, but I would like hums in his ear and then they would program them. I would say, "Make the beat go like this, Rick, or do this." And then he would like, so we really worked together. But ultimately at that time, he would come back to me with ideas and most of the time I just loved them.
1:14:30I just thought they were great. You know, I'm a little kid. I'm 16. I'm on the bus. >> Wow. >> I'm going back and forth. I'm getting on the subway. We're making these records. And it's just it just sounded like the coolest stuff in the world. My man E love, we walking down the block. I play Rock the Bells for him and he's like, "Yo, I play it on [clears throat] my Walkman.
1:14:52He listens like, "Yo, let me hear that again." I'm like, "Yeah, play it for him." He's like, he used to say, you know, he'd be like, "Yo, let me hear that again." You know, it was just that kind of a thing, you know, because I like, so I always went after feelings with lyrics. Like I know nowadays, especially in the internet age, people are hyperfocused on lyricism and they're hyperfocused on complexity of lyrics and couplets and I am pantamed and you know I always I was more in the James Brown
1:15:22zone of how does it feel? It's kind of like it would be like you like did the joke make you laugh or was it a really smart joke? Like I didn't really care about it having to be a smart joke. I just wanted them to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying. I wanted to feel it. So that's why I wrote songs that people can feel, you know, which is very different when you get when people get over analytical that to me I don't want to listen to an audio book when I'm listening to an album.
1:15:52I want to feel something. >> Right. Right. >> You feel what I'm saying? >> Yes. >> But what people like and so that was kind of my thing. I was never really concerned. Like it's kind of like um like Quincy Jones said something really interesting to him. He was one of my mentors. He said he had to forget twothirds of what he knew before he could get a hit.
1:16:14>> You know, yeah. >> It's like overthinking your bet, your jump shot. It's like overthinking a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I I watched you one time. You was doing some side you was talking about you was doing side kicks and back kicks, you know, like roundhouse kicks. And you were talking about how you got to get your hip up in the air, but at a certain point, you forgot it, right?
1:16:30You you were no longer conscious of it. You just throw the kick the way you throw the kick. Well, when you're writing a song, you can either be one of those people that are overly focused on I'm raising my hip and I'm or you could just write the song and it's a fluid kick that just works >> right >> now.
1:16:50Just because it's a when it's a fluid kick that works. If people don't always associate simplicity with genius or hyper creativity because they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Like if I, you know, if a guy who, you know, you're very experienced martial artist, a guy comes in here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you your shoulder and your elbow and your right.
1:17:18And another guy comes in, Bruce comes in here. Ha. He just throws it. You're like, >> you you know what I mean? You can forget, >> right? >> Do you see what I'm saying? Because it seems so easy. >> Yeah. Simplicity is very underrated words. >> Like we were talking about that the other day in the comedy mothership green room about the song Jesse's Girl.
1:17:34Jess, >> think about how simple that song is. >> Where can I find me a woman like that? >> Right? But see, that's the thing. But guess what that means? Think about how many people feel that though. >> Feel like that. >> Yes. >> Where can I find me a woman? Like, think about how many people feel like that.
1:17:54>> Yeah. >> See, so what happens is it's kind of like >> if you got a squeaky floor >> and I you know, and a hundred carpenters come in there to to to to change it and then one guy comes in and puts a nail right there, but he wants to charge you 10 grand or some crazy astronomical number. You're paying me cuz I know what the spot.
1:18:14You're not paying me because of how difficult it was to solve the problem. It's identifying the thing. So, identifying Jesse's girl. I want to, you know, you understand what I'm trying to say? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You feel me? >> Cutting to it. [clears throat] >> Getting touching the thing like orgasm, bro.
1:18:32She don't Yo, she don't care what orgasm. [laughter] Yo, you know what I mean? Oh, he kissed the toe and he he went to the he nibbled on the knee. Orgasm. What you think? You see what I'm saying? Simplicity. >> Yeah. >> You know, respectfully, you know, >> orgasms are simple. >> Yeah. Especially in songs, right?
1:18:55>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But so people kind of I think I think that that to me >> has been something that worked for me. Just keeping it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for the most part, when I find a a feel, when I get a feel, that's what I go with. And I do that in life. That's a great way to live.
1:19:14It's very smart. It's smart and you have good instincts and you've had a a long series of success trusting your instincts, so you know how to do it. I mean, 84, 1984. >> That's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at 16? Well, you know, it was like the movie PORKY'S [laughter]

Fame at 16 and Youth Experiences

1:19:42or Project X if you want to bring it up to newer days. It was It was It was >> I never saw Project X. What's that? >> So, Porky's It was B. Project X is crazy party and all this stuff happens. But ultimately, man, I just I went, you know, >> went ham >> without a doubt. [laughter] Ham sandwich. Ham. The pig with the apple in his mouth.
1:20:01Pam sandwich, baby. >> It had to be crazy. >> I loved it. I loved every moment because I was living life and enjoying myself and you know, you can get what you want, you know, and you can go where you want to go. I never went to a prom. You know what I'm saying? I didn't go to a prom. I didn't I didn't do all of those things.
1:20:20I didn't do a lot of the normal things that, you know, a lot of kids get to do. >> Did you feel like you missed out on that? >> Hell no. >> [laughter]
1:20:35>> Hell no. >> [ __ ] problem. [laughter] >> Hell no. No, I just uh you know I I got had I had girls invite me to prom. No, I ain't going to that. >> You know, I was crazy, man. >> I was crazy, man. But I we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced hip-hop in Maine. >> Really? >> Yeah. That was uh like we like there's a video of me.
1:20:56We was in a small gymnasium in Maine. This is the first time hip-hop was in Maine. And I introduced it and it was like might have been I don't know 15 kids and 20 parents or something in a room and I'm explaining to them. So this is my DJ cut creator. He's going to do this. That's it right there. We're literally introducing >> hip hop in Maine.
1:21:18Like I'm literally It had never been there before. They look they're sitting on the floor. >> Wow. >> Think about that. Think about Look. and and my man Cut Creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me. Cuts Cutting. And we're explaining to them how it's going to work. And I'm telling them, "This is hip-hop.
1:21:33This is my DJ. This is how this works. This is how like I literally had to do tutorials >> to teach people how to interact with hip-hop. >> Crazy." >> Yeah. You see, and I'm explaining to them what we do. >> That's my DJ cut creator. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know what I mean? >> Right. >> So, it was that kind of a vibe.
1:21:52That's crazy. >> So like that's kind of the world I lived in. Like you know >> that's like a historical moment like when you're looking at a cultural historical moment you introduced it to like if people who have never been to Maine like in 1985 I used to do stand up in Maine. >> Yeah. >> Maine is was strange.
1:22:10Small towns isolated people who were used to it being 30 below zero for five months out of the year. They're hard ass [ __ ] people. a lot of hard drinking >> geese running around, you know, and [ __ ] moves, you know. >> It's a odd place, man. Maine's a odd place. >> And I went there at that time and introduced it.
1:22:33>> Wow. >> You know, like those kinds of things, you know. So, you just >> Wow. >> I live Yeah. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. I mean, it's it's crazy. It's what maybe 100 people in there. I don't know. Maybe it's a little more. >> That's crazy. >> I mean, it was that kind of a thing. You know what I mean?
1:22:48>> Yeah. So being 16, 17, 18, doing that around the country was really wild cuz I did that in a lot of places. >> Wow. >> It was very different, man. >> Wow. >> You know, it was very different, you know, >> and there was no road map either. Like there wasn't like a lot of hip-hop stars before you that you could talk about or talk to about it.
1:23:08>> Well, there was no industry, >> right? >> So you don't have any managers that really understood it. There was Russell, but you don't have managers. You don't have like you had Bill Adler who was a publicist but there was no industry so there's no you understand what I'm saying >> there's no platform there's no you can't go get a strategic partner we're not doing branding >> right >> you know what I mean >> it was all about like you know grassroots this is something we love this is
1:23:36something we believe in you know take it or leave it basically like you know there's just so few times in history where an art form emerges like that. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a blessing, too. I'm I'm It's a luck and blessing. >> A huge blessing. >> Yeah, it's a blessing. >> Obviously, you were very talented and obviously you work very hard, but it's also like what an incredibly fortuitous moment to be there at that time when a new art form is is emerging that is going to become the dominant art form.

Dreams Have No Deadlines

1:24:05It's like one of the most dominant things in pop culture ever. >> Yeah. >> Is hip-hop music. >> And it's um and you know what the beauty of it is? You know, people always say, "Did you ever know it was going to get this big?" It's like, it was already that big to me in my mind. It was the biggest thing in the world to me.
1:24:20I didn't say it was the biggest thing out in the world, >> but in my mind, >> it was the most popular thing and the biggest thing. >> So, when I'm playing the vinyl and I'm staring at the record, if I'm playing a tape and I'm listening to a tape and I'm like >> I'm like imagining myself inside that like it was all consuming.
1:24:39M >> but that's a there's a there's a little there's a jewel in that. We have to be completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on. >> Right. >> Yes. >> We have to be completely consumed by like we got it's got to Yo, you got to want it in every fiber of your being, man. You got to want it with every [clears throat] fiber of your being.
1:24:59You can't take no for an answer, not even from yourself, [snorts] right? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's important to hear, man. People need to hear this, especially young people. It's like so important to hear someone who's been through it all and maintains that focus and what that's all about to you, >> man. It's it's a beautiful thing.
1:25:19But I'll tell you, you know, Joe, I know you the young people. Yes. But all people, cuz dreams don't have deadline cuz a lot of people, they get to a certain age and they give up. >> Oh, I'm 50. Oh, I'm 46. I can't do it anymore. No. No. Yes, you can. >> Stop. >> Stop. >> Colonel Sanders was how old when he started Kentucky Fried Chicken?
1:25:38like 65. [laughter] He really was. >> Was he really? >> Yes. Google Cornelius Vanderboo [laughter] was like 80 in his 80s doing the the the went to the railroads after the steam the the the ships. I mean there are lot there are countless examples of people that kept Sam Jackson you know like there countless examples of people that kept George Foreman let's put it back on the sporting world came back and did his thing like you can do it.
1:26:04There's no limitation >> right? The limitation is in your mind. >> You know what I'm saying? >> That's certainly true. You're still alive. This idea that you're at a chapter in your life where no more growth is going to happen. It's crazy. >> It's crazy, man. Don't do that to yourself. Why would you do that to yourself?
1:26:20>> Well, people like to do that for some reason. They like to categorize their life into certain stages as if it's not just constant. >> It's not It's not just kind like, "Oh, I'm past that stage. Oh, I can't do that anymore." >> You know why? >> Why? >> Because you don't have to compete. >> It's easy.
1:26:34As soon as I say to you, "Oh, well, you know, I don't h I no longer have to try. I no longer have to get in the arena." You know, that that poem, the man in the arena. >> Yes. >> Like, there's a certain point when they just you just wanted to step out of the arena. Like, you know, cuz it's not really about competition in life.
1:26:51It's about being creative. Right. >> Right. >> You could teach your kids to compete, that's iffy. You teach them to create, they can have a life. >> Yeah. >> Right. Not that we don't want to compete. I love sport. You know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football, like we love all the stuff, but creativity is the thing that's going to make you the greatest competitor because whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're on in the arena, it's the creativity, Jordan's
1:27:19creativity. You know what I mean? It's the creativity on the court, Kyrie's creativity. Those are the things that take you to the next level. So, I would just encourage the all people, not just the youngsters, but like everybody to keep going. And when you look in the mirror, what do you see? You know the best version of yourself.

Self-Improvement and the Fear of Failure

1:27:37I looked in the mirror one time. I took my shirt off. I looked in the mirror. I turned to the side. It looked like somebody took a pebble and went, [laughter] you know what I mean? Like they just threw it in a in a pond. I was like, "No, we can't do that." [laughter] >> I said, "We ain't doing that." Oh, we not doing that.
1:27:52>> You know what I mean? That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't hit me with the It's Yo, but it's not easy. I didn't say it was, but you know who you are. Well, that's the reason why most people don't do it is because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't do it. They just you just have to figure out how to persevere.
1:28:08And a lot of people never learn that. And then they get scared. They get scared of failure. That's a big one. That's a those fear of failures hold people back from almost everything. >> So, you're a big fan of the like the whole concept of uh many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love.
1:28:25I love all that kind of stuff, too. I'm crazy. So, it's like um well, you know, when you think about the multiverse and you think about or many worlds and you think about if you look at your life as a series of choices, what would your life be like if you made different choices? >> Oh, yeah. >> Right.

Multiverse Choices and Personal Growth

1:28:40Okay. So, let's let's let's game it out. Okay. So, if you decided not to give up, what would your life be be like in five years? Want to find out, >> right? >> You know what I mean? Everybody's red pill, blue pill, this and that. You want to find out? Take the the personal red pill. You know what I'm saying?
1:29:02The personal one. >> And if you get to 5 years and you still haven't made it, don't give up because it might be five more. And what if you just went through five more and got there? Or what if five more passed you and you did nothing and you stayed in the exact same place in life? >> Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it, you would still be better for it.
1:29:20>> Yes. 100%. >> Because your soul would evolve. >> Yeah. Your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah. With difficult things, you become a better person, >> right? >> Yeah. That was one of the things my martial arts instructor said to me when I was a kid. He said, "Martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential."
1:29:36>> 100%. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. And we want to maximize our potential. >> Yeah. >> For me, you know, as a youngster, when you just enter martial arts at a very low level, it was about it just taught me humility and respect. Taught me not to be tough. Taught me manners. >> Yeah. it. You know, I'm looking at my sensei or even a senpai and I'm like, uh, you know, his assistant and I'm like, you know, this guy looks like, you know, you could steal his sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him a
1:30:04wedgie and he'll kick your forehead off of your skull. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> You learn respect. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's just good for people, young people in particular, to be humbled and to have structure and to do something that's difficult. And also the progression of learning as you go along.
1:30:23Oh, I'm much better than I used to be. Oh, now I have a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt. Whatever it is, like this progression is important because it like marks these milestones and it cements in your mind that hard work and focus and all these things. I'm glad you said that. So, I love the idea that originally like with belts in martial arts, the reason why black belts became black belts were because of use, heavy usage.
1:30:46In other words, I start off with a white belt. I never washed it because I don't want to wash my skill away. And I've been working at this art form so long that ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work and and grime and grit. That's such an interesting concept when you think about it because >> you can have a black belt in life and not know it.

Martial Arts Belts and Mastery

1:31:07>> Yeah. >> You can have a black belt in certain areas of your life and not even know it. Like a lot of people in this world are black belts in certain things and they don't even recognize it because they're not self-aware. >> You know what I mean? >> You you you feel me? >> Yeah. >> So that that to me like that the idea of going a white belt and that progression and finding out I I forget the book I was reading.
1:31:33He talked about it. Um it's one of the Gracie books. The Gracie one of it's a newer one and he was talking about this. >> Is it Hixon? >> Hixon. No. No. I re I I don't want to say the wrong name because a lot of them I don't want to say the wrong name and be disrespectful. So >> Hixon's the one who writes the book.
1:31:49It's >> the principles of jiu-jitsu. It's the principles the 32 principles of jiu-jitsu. That's the one that >> it's it's it's and and >> he talked about this this progression of going from white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally it was because you know people were like what is it? Yeah.
1:32:09There you go. Yeah. Yeah. And Jaco did the >> Oh, it's Henn Henner Gracie. Okay. And Jaco did the Ford. >> Yeah. >> You know what's interesting about that, too? If you get an old black belt, they turn white again cuz old black. >> I saw Jaco. I think Jaco had one like that, right? He has one like that, right?
1:32:24>> They get beat up. They get torn apart and as they wear out, the black goes away and you almost have like a white belt. Like if you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy that's with Doner, go to go to his picture again. >> Glick. Brian Glick. If you could find him, you you'll see his belt and his belt is so worn out because he's been a black belt for a long time that there's frayed white all over it and >> which is crazy.
1:32:49>> Yeah. And guys who have like, you know, fifth and sixth degree black belts and been training for 30 years, their belts are all [ __ ] up to the point where it's almost white. >> That's crazy. And that's like Joseph Campbell. It's like the hero's journey, right? Cuz you you go all the way back and return.
1:33:04>> Look at that. Look at that. >> See how his belt's all framed? Yeah. So, that's just the beginning stages. Like, there's guys that have 10 year older, 15, 20 year older belts than that where they're completely black. Like, you look at Donner's belt. Don has a nice new one on, but his is all [ __ ] up cuz he's got the original black belt that he probably when he first got his black belt.
1:33:22>> Yeah. And he's like Donna's longest running student, right? >> Oh, is he really? >> I believe he's one of them. Yeah. >> Oh, wow. He's been around for a long time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Brian is he's a good teacher, too. >> And see, see if you can find some old Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts. They get older.
1:33:34And then the thing about Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts, they get to a certain level where they become coral belts where they give him a red and black belt. Yeah, I know. I heard about that expression. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like my instructor, Jeanjac Machado, he got his coral belt from >> because because of what you've done for the for the art form.
1:33:49Yeah. >> All [ __ ] up, beat up to the point where they're basically almost white. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. It's fascinating. >> Yeah. And you get the coral belts because you you uphold the art form itself, right, at that point and the craft and your contribution to the craft, right? >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah.
1:34:05It's it's it's uh >> Yo, I love you know this >> this is life. This is the language of life right here. >> Yes. >> You know people you know people get in think about these things trying to be tough guy. It's not. It's about the language of life. >> Yes. >> You know what I mean? This is because you're battling yourself.
1:34:20like, you know, when you could step in a studio as a as a as a mature older guy and walk in there with a white belt and and get get, you know, and you know, let a purple belt slap you around or let a [laughter] you know what I'm saying? Like these are things like but it's good for you, >> right? >> And you as a known person, that's a different thing.
1:34:40Like someone gets to choke out LL CoolJ [laughter] that's very different. It's very different than you know Mike Jones from down the street. [laughter] Yeah, it's different, man. It's different. like, you know, >> choking me out and all that. >> It works on famous rappers. [laughter] >> Yo, he's like, "Yo, yo, rap the song.
1:34:59Rap the rap the [ __ ] Knock you out." >> Mama [laughter] the [ __ ] Rap it. Yo, rapid is so funny, D. >> No. No. Rap that [ __ ] Say it. I always like this one. Say it. >> Oh, no. >> Do you remember when you got your first tap? When you first tap somebody? >> No, I haven't gotten it yet. >> You haven't got a sale tap yet?
1:35:17>> Wow. >> So, you're really fresh? >> I'm fresh. I'm brand new. I'm brand new in the game. >> You can type out Jamie. We'll I'll show you. >> No, no, no, no. I don't want I'll mess around and Jamie [laughter] have me Jamie have your man in a in a Americana or something nasty. >> No, but you know >> that's awesome though.
1:35:34I'm really happy that you're doing that. >> Yeah. Just, you know, just starting with Glick. But it's um I just think life in general, Joe, >> these are the this is the language of success, man. You know what I'm saying? >> The language of success, bro. Like, let's win. I think it's always good to do things from the very beginning too to start off as a beginner again in some because you develop a you have a beginner's mindset when you first learn something.
1:35:56I think that excitement of like a new thing where you're like absorbed in it and trying to figure it out and you really don't know and then you see people who are good at it like oh there's a whole new avenue for my interests and a whole new avenue for thinking for creativity. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah.
1:36:11>> Absolutely. You know what else is dope? I tell you something a dope technique that I think is cool and you may do this. I I'll read one book for three, four years. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Just kill back and read it again. >> Like my thing is this. If you read a book, you became a black belt because you know all the moves and then you get the degrees because you I mean it's an endless ocean of information.
1:36:30We know that. But you get it because you So why not become a black belt in the book? M >> how you you going to take one lesson and now you know jiu-jitsu or you going to take one you know shan because you you know you went for >> you know three lessons and or you learned a kata let's say you you memorize three katas now you're >> you're done like no you have to so to read a book for three or four years like you probably what's your favorite book [sighs] >> boy I don't know if I have a favorite
1:37:01book >> one of the most impactful books for me was a book that I read when I was very young called the book of five rings things. >> Oh, yeah. Miamoto Masashi. Yeah. >> So, so let's say let's say let's say you read Miiamoto Masashi. You've read that a lot of times, right? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've read that I don't even know how many times.
1:37:18>> But see, but >> I read it a lot when I was young. >> But see what you just said. >> Mhm. >> Now, imagine consciously doing that. You did it. >> Yeah. >> Cuz Mashi, yo, Book of Five Rings is a really interesting book. >> Well, I read a lot of stuff like that, but that was the first one I read from a guy who killed people with swords.
1:37:35>> Yeah. He was unbelievable. >> Yeah. There was a lot of people that had really good books on philosophy, managing the mind. Well, I believe it or not, like a lot of Anthony Robbins stuff early in the day, but that was like in the the >> I was walking in the seagulls and I saw the view of the I love >> very inspirational stuff.
1:37:54>> Absolutely. >> And also like really good at like time management, like good good at like mind management, managing your expectations and your understanding of things. There's a lot of like good psychology in those books. >> But the thing about the Mousashi book to me that was so impactful was that this guy was so unusual even for his time.
1:38:15>> Killed 60 men or 61 men in combat >> one-on-one with [ __ ] swords, >> you know? And like his mind had to be completely dialed in. And his idea was that you had to have a complete balance and that you had to have a balance of art and creativity and poetry as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sword.

Miyamoto Musashi and Harmony

1:38:38You had to have full balance. >> See, it's harmony. >> It's not even balance. It's harmony. Cuz balance something's out of harmony because if this would be this much of your life, this can be this much of your life. So, it's having harmony. And that's what he talked about in the book. And I love the little things he talks about like, you know, being sticky, you know, when he talks about sticky and being sticky on your opponent.
1:38:57Little things he talks about in there, putting making sure that, you know, the sun is to your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making sure you're you know, when you're in the room, certain corners, like all of that matters in life, right? >> Yeah. >> Miamoto Masashi is amazing. >> Yeah, I know.
1:39:13It's it's it's amazing stuff. And it's, you know, it's really old. It's like from the 1400s. >> Absolutely. So you're >> and he died in a cave. He wrote it and he went up in the cave. >> Yeah. >> I love Miamoto Mousashi. Absolutely. >> It's such a valuable book because you you want to think about samuris being brutes.
1:39:31You want to think of them as being vicious killers. And you realize like in order to be the very best at it, you had to be a completely balanced person. Like he did calligraphy and poetry and like he was he had the love song and he had mama said not. >> There you go. He had >> Now you're seeing where I'm going.
1:39:48Now you see where I'm going. >> Now you see what I'm saying. >> Now you see what That's what I'm talking about. He knew when to let the guy just float off, right? He knew when to let the guy float off. The guy made him wait. He knows when when it's disrespectful making the guy like all of those little things that he did.
1:40:07>> He'd make dudes wait for hours. Yeah. >> Imagine you think you're going to get killed and you have to sit there for three hours when when is this [ __ ] showing up? And you're like, "Damn, I should have ate something." Yeah. >> You start thinking, >> "Yeah, he I mean everything he tal Everything he talked about the way the the way you hold the sword, the positioning of the sword, the sword, the the the being able to use both swords, the long one versus the short one.
1:40:28>> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> All of that is life. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The mastery the mastery of the way. And that once you see the way, you can see it in all things. >> That's >> Yeah. >> Exactly. And that's what I'm trying to encourage with what I say these things is like people mastery is really really important.
1:40:47Mastery starting with mastery of yourself, mastery of your vision, meaning you know what you want. Mastery of the steps that you take, meaning that you will take the steps that you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. That's where we want to go.
1:41:06Right. >> Right. >> That's what we trying to That's what they ain't even trying. That's what we're doing. >> That's what we're doing now. We You feel me? >> Yeah. >> Like that's the thing. Like I think people just need to get back into that, >> you know? Let's lean into that a little more. >> Well, certainly people that inspire you do that.
1:41:27And that's what we we all take inspiration from other people that are getting after it. Like there's something about when someone is doing that and and and chasing mastery. There's something very inspiring about that. That's right. Because like if you think about it, it's like mastery breeds a quiet first of all, mastery is um transferable, meaning the the the mindset.
1:41:54It's kind of what mash Miiamoto said like which is the idea of once you you see the way in all things. So once you know what success looks like and what it takes, you can apply that to other missions. >> Yeah. >> You see what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Like because you understand the stages. >> Yeah. >> Right.
1:42:14>> Yes. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's the thing. >> Yeah. And I think that's the thing that we have to get that mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master, that mindset of being the best that you can be, that mindset of going to another level, >> that mindset of winning >> and and winning in a way that benefits your team, right?
1:42:38Doesn't mean like because we're not it's not about being >> non-confrontational. It's just because you need boundaries, but it's about protecting those boundaries the right way. You feel me? >> Sort of. What? >> Okay. So, basically what I'm saying is there's a difference between being nice and being kind, >> right?
1:43:01>> Being nice is I want everybody to like me, >> so I'm going to [ __ ] >> Right. Kind is, yeah, I'm going to be kind, but if you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot, I'm not going to be okay with it. I'm because I'm trying to be nice and you're maybe in a higher position. Yo, you're on my foot.
1:43:22>> You don't get a pass for that, >> right? >> You feel me? Yes. >> Because you're here or you're this or you're that >> or celebrity or CEO or whatever. >> You feel me? >> You don't get a So that's the thing. like that part being there's a difference. >> You have to have balance in that too. >> Harmony.
1:43:41Yeah. I say harmony. You say balance, but I say harmony. Harmony is a better word. >> I say harmony because they things fit in their place like an orchestra. >> Yeah. >> Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony. >> Right. Right. >> You know, certain instruments lead, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying?
1:43:56>> Yeah. >> You know, you know, >> you should write a book on this [ __ ] dude. [laughter] >> I just read all these other [ __ ] But but for real because it's like when people want to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to hear about it from someone who has been successful. >> Someone who is like this is a real you've actually how to manage these thoughts and get through it and you have and now you're speaking from a place of experience.

Practical Wisdom and Aspiration

1:44:21No question. >> You know, it's not like theory. >> No, it is. No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like it's a case. It's it's real practical. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> that's why it's important to hear from a guy like you because especially I I mean I say especially for young people. Let me say let me take that out for aspiring people.
1:44:38>> Ah there you go. That's Yeah. Aspiring people. Exactly. >> It's not even how long you've been alive. It's like what is your mindset right now? What your And most young people are aspiring because they feel like they have their whole life in front of them and they've been told hey you live in America.
1:44:51You could be anything in America. You you can make it here. You can go from the bottom to the top. this is the place. >> Yeah. >> And so they they are initially aspirational. >> Yeah. >> And then a lot of times people get beaten down by life and circumstances and poor choices and >> Well, I think education your choices is big.
1:45:10Education >> I think the root of the Latin word of iso. I may not pronouncing it right. Could you look that up? Education. But it means to do to bring out. >> So education is about bringing out what's already there. Like a good teacher, >> you know, will bring out of you. Even a good martial arts instructor will bring out what's inside of you, that inner champion, that thing that's already in you.
1:45:32They bring it out. That's what education is about. Right. >> Right. >> So, like the first thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all over the world who come to America. So, they were already that before they came. >> Right. >> So, people in general want to be better.
1:45:50Some people, a lot of people are willing to take the risk to be better. >> You know what I mean? I think everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's willing to take the risk. >> Yeah. I That's even better. >> I don't I don't think there's a lot of people out there in the world that say, "I want to be better."
1:46:04>> Yeah. Would like to be better. >> Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better. But I don't There's very few people that are like, "I don't want to be better at anything. >> I'd rather be mediocre and, you know, uninteresting forever." >> Most people don't want that. >> Eat cereal. You know, >> it's just like they lower their expectations so that they also lower the impact of failure.
1:46:23100%. >> That's all it is. >> 100%. >> It's unfortunate. It sucks. And sometimes people start off that way and then they eventually realize the folly of their ways and then they evolve and grow. And some some people it takes longer. Which is why aspirational is better than young. Like saying >> cuz there's some people like they get on the wrong path and then they don't figure it out until they're 40.
1:46:43Like Steven Presfield, >> brilliant author. >> Yeah, I know who he is. >> You know who he is? He wrote this book called The War of Art. Have you read it? >> Of course. >> Okay. That book's fantastic. about procrastination, etc. Yes. Yes. And one of the best parts about that book is that Presfield was kind of lazy in his own words until he was 40.
1:47:01>> Yeah. >> And then he figured it out when he was 40. It was like, I see what I'm doing wrong and now I'm going to completely dedicate myself. I'm going to do the work. I'm going to show up every day at the same time with an intention. I'm literally going to set my intention to do the work. and all of a sudden he writes Legend of Bagger Vance and all these great books and it becomes hugely successful and >> you know you know what's crazy I heard this quote right and it it it it like it
1:47:29stripped me down and made me kind of reassess but it's true and I as an artist it was hard for me to admit it but this quote inspiration is for amateurs >> the professionals have to actually go to work >> that's a that's a rough quote to accept >> that's a rough one Yeah, Mike Tyson has a great one, too.

Inspiration Versus Professional Work

1:47:47He said, "Discipline is doing something that you hate, but doing it like you love it." >> Yeah, >> that's real. Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean, no one can keep that fire going forever, but you have to consider the fire in like from 86 to like 90, whatever. That that the time when he was just on this mad run through the heavyweight division, like that fire burned so hot.
1:48:17It burned so hot that that statement hit so hard. >> Crazy. Yo, pull up I got to see this picture. Pull up um Mike Tyson holding LL Cooj's gold chain. It's the [laughter] funniest picture in the world. I got It's so like I'm like he's holding my chain. It's the funniest photo, man. It just reminds me.
1:48:36I loved him. >> I loved him. Me and Mike hung out. Yo, it was crazy, man. We used to hang out. Yo, Mike is That's my man. >> I went to see him in jail. >> Did you really? >> Oh, yeah. Wow. >> I remember walking on the st, hey man, what you doing here, man? Oh, man. You came to see me. I went to see him and all that.
1:48:51That was That's my man. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mike's my man. Mike's my man, you know, but I love, you know, I love Champions, you know, Lennox Lewis like No, that's that's us hanging out. But no, that's not it. >> Not coming up. >> Yeah. Well, you It's kind of in the See the one right there with with my man Shorty Black and um Yeah, that that's one, but that's one of them.
1:49:11But there's a picture like that if you was to if you were to search around, you'll ultimately you'll find it, >> you know. But yeah, you ain't got to go through it. But it's um Yeah, that's my man. That's my guy. That's my dude. He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson, that that style of fighting, >> the customado style, >> custom style, the peekaboo.
1:49:31It's crazy. >> Here's another guy that talk about fortuitous moments. >> Oh, yeah. >> 13 years old, gets adopted by Customado, who is a hypnotist and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time. Oh, yeah. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah, that was he used to hypnotize. [laughter] >> Wow. back 86. >> Yo, how crazy?
1:49:53Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. >> He used to hypnotize Mike when he was young. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. He hypnotized him. He taught him how to box. Taught him psychology. Taught him warrior mentality. >> I love to hear when he talks about the fear, the hero and the coward. >> Yeah. >> What they do when they're afraid.
1:50:10>> Yes. Yeah. They both feel the same thing. Yeah. that you know you know because people always ask me like if I'm going on stage um they'll say yo do you get nervous before you go on stage well if you don't get nervous you don't care >> right >> if you don't get nervous you don't care now what do you do with it you got to use it as fuel >> right >> you got a big show in New York you feel nerves but you use it as fuel just like a fight like a match you got to have you got to feel it if you don't feel that

Fear, Nerves, and Mike Tyson

1:50:38you don't care >> right but then you use it as fuel channel it and all of a sudden that fight or flight thing that adrenal that power it becomes a power that you tap into. >> You know what I mean? And you could do that in life. >> Custom talked about that with fear. He said fear is like fire. It can cook your food or if you can't control it, it'll burn your house down.
1:51:00>> 100%. >> Yeah. >> 100%. >> You need it though. >> You definitely >> you do need it. I get nervous before every show I do. I always do. >> See what I mean? >> Cuz I care. >> That exactly right. >> And if you don't care, you don't get nervous. It doesn't mean you're you're fearful. >> No, >> it doesn't mean you're not stage fright.
1:51:15No, it's it's anxiety and like >> butterflies like here we go. It's about to go down. This is about to happen. >> Absolutely. >> And the more of those moments you can get in your life where you have to rise to the expectations, >> the better you are. >> Good for you. Those moments are good for you. They get exciting.
1:51:32>> That's right. >> It lets you know you're alive. You're doing something fun. >> There you go. It makes It means you're on the edge. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you want to live your life on the edge. Like a lot of times like like you know it I don't hate it because that's the wrong word but it bothers me when I see people that are like it's kind of like what you said earlier when they people that kind of like are what's what's the word rel not relinquished but like they're they're relegate I'm trying
1:51:55to figure out it's basically what I'm saying is people that just >> decide that they're not going to keep going. You know like they're >> I forget the word. It's a it's a R word. >> Yeah. I can't remember it either. >> Yeah. But they [laughter] Yeah. [ __ ] my head up. I had a lot of afterparties. >> I'm trying to think right now.
1:52:13>> But um they relished. And somebody out there in the comments knows exactly. >> Relegated. Yeah. To kind of just >> Yeah. >> being [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Nah, man. Let's get it, baby. >> Yeah. >> Let's go get it. >> Let's go get it. >> Let's go get it. That's an infectious mindset. But you you got to be around people that think like that.
1:52:32It's very good for you. Very good for you. And you got to be that guy, too, so other people around you absorb it. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Because if you're around a bunch of people, they're like, "Man, this [ __ ] I never catch a break." Like, >> oh my god. Oh my god. >> Those people are brutal. >> Oh my god.
1:52:47That's a You know, stay away from the unlucky. People that talk like that. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Stay away from the unlucky. >> Yeah. Stay away from the unlucky. >> That's important, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stay away. That's important. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a real thing. >> Yeah.
1:52:57[snorts] It's contagious. >> Yo, is it is it is it Yo, what? You got people [laughter] what? Like like my thing is as soon as somebody start talking like that, I'm like, "Listen, man. >> Yo, you gotta say something about some success at some point, baby. Anything good [clears throat] happened recently?
1:53:13Anything that anything happened good? I don't I don't deal with that." >> Also, what do all these things that are bad have in common? >> You were there. >> You think that might be a factor? That might be a factor. >> Your behavior, your your your what your essence might be a factor. >> You know what?
1:53:31On a on a more positive note, I want to shout it out to my man Eddie. My man Eddie at um Competitive Edge Athletics. He loves you. Loves the show. >> Shout out to Eddie. >> Yeah, my man Eddie O Boy. He was like, "Yo, you got to Yo, you got to do it, man. You got Yo, I want you going Joe Rogan, man. Come on.
1:53:47Come on, Todd." I'm like, "Yo, I love Joe. I watch the show. I love when we talk about the pyramids and we talk about, [laughter] you know what I mean? Like lost civilizations. >> You get into that shit." >> Yeah. I'm into all the the the real [ __ ] like all the lost civilizations pyramid >> civilization shit's the most fascinating thing on earth to me.

Lost Civilizations and Antarctica

1:54:06>> Yo Atlantis they keep finding stuff under the water. You know it's all there. First of all, you know what? You know what? I'm going to tell you where everything is at. The perafrost. >> Really? >> If we could come on, Joe. If we could melt down [laughter] that goddamn per Yo, they yo the perafrost.
1:54:22Like you go in Russia and you find that you know those perafrost down in there under there. There's a lot of action. Anywhere that's frozen, Antarctica, Ar like anywhere frozen underneath that, that's everything. It's all there. >> What do you think's there? >> I think it's civilizations there. >> You think there's ancient civilizations there?
1:54:41>> 100%. >> Have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids in Antarctica? >> Very weird. >> Absolutely. And they try to say there's a natural occurring. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I don't know what it looks like underneath the ice, so it's hard to tell cuz sometimes rocks do look like, you know, it's just a natural formation that looks like >> But they're using LAR, aren't they?
1:55:00Isn't that the thing they use? >> I don't know if they've used it in Antarctica, but that there's images of these mountains and the top of it. You're like, "Hey, what the [ __ ] is that? >> It looks like it was absolutely it looks like step pyramid." Yeah, I know. Exactly. Absolutely. There's a bunch of those and there's a lot of those in South America that are just completely covered in jungle that they're finding.
1:55:20>> Well, first of all, the idea that people weren't going all over the earth. Yeah. Come on, baby. Like, I mean, come on, bro. >> Crazy. But is there an angle of that where it doesn't look crazy? >> Whoa, look at the top. Is that real? >> The the what? The aerial where they're looking straight down on it.
1:55:35>> I don't know. >> If that's real, that's nuts. Like that. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> That looks like a damn pyramid. Except the right angle, the far side, lower right, that that's that looks a little jagged. But the other ones look remarkably >> Yeah. >> symmetrical. >> Looks different there. >> But then they find maps.
1:55:51They found maps. Now, I don't want to confuse the Arctic with Antarctica, but I think they found maps that were done where when that wasn't frozen, right? Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is uh is that is that Antarctica? They have those ancient maps from the 1500s.
1:56:09I think this was before they even knew Antarctica was a continent. >> And they have people that showed what it looked like when it was green, >> right? Yeah. >> Well, there's some old maps that are super confusing. It's like, how did they know all this? >> There's some old maps that are also written from older maps that are lost >> and you just go like, what?
1:56:27How do you know that thing that they found in Greece? The anti-ather mechanism >> that Yeah. The computer like that that thing that's like a computer like Yeah. Like you Yeah. That is one of the great monkey wrenches in all of history. Like someone just threw a monkey wrench into the gears and like stop.
1:56:44>> Yeah. >> What's that? >> Yeah. >> How the [ __ ] is this 2,000 years old? It's like super complicated gears and lever computer. >> Yeah. Like the computer. Yeah, I know. Exactly. >> And they didn't even know what the [ __ ] it was when they first found it. But then now they've done these scans of it where they have these like sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the internal components and the mechanisms of it.
1:57:04And the deeper they understand about it, the more confused they are. And they think it was navigation. They could tell what the stars were doing. Navigation, >> you know, and with sophisticated calendar and but it's just insane. Like, how did they figure out how to do this 2,000 [ __ ] years ago? And where did they get that information?
1:57:21And what is missing? What have we lost from before that? >> I think that's the real question because human creativity is the same as it's always been, right? >> The same way you want something to eat, they wanted something to eat. >> Yes. The same way you have a desire to know what's out there, they have a desire to know what's out there.

Ancient Knowledge and Human Creativity

1:57:36That's why like like just off in a little bit of t people say, "Oh, there's nothing in outer space." Like you're out of your mind. That's like standing on top of a mountain looking down at the water and saying there's nothing in there, >> right? >> And then some guy says, "Yo, I saw some dolphins. I saw something jump out and blow."
1:57:52And you're like, "Ah, I don't believe you. You really think that we just sitting here and there's nothing?" Like, that's absurd. >> It's absurd. >> It's absurd, bro. >> It's absurd. It's also absurd that this is as smart as people have ever been because the pyramids themselves, you're like, "Okay, we can't make that today.
1:58:04I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody says. Giving the tools that they had supposedly, giving the knowledge that we have today, we can't make that." >> First of all, how do they do that? >> First of all, that that is so arrogant cuz it's like you think you're you think you're the smartest humans have ever been.
1:58:21>> You think the first good idea happened in the last 200 years, right? Like all of the good ideas happened in the last 500 years. Really? Do you really believe that? Like think about that for a minute. Right >> now, I'll tell you, I have a hypothesis though on on how they were looking at planets. I think the ambient lighting of the Earth >> was is a lot was a lot less then.
1:58:38And I think that the the So, the stars look a lot closer and it was easy to look at everything. >> Oh, definitely. Less light pollution. >> Less light pollution. They probably had almost none except for some torches and [ __ ] >> So, imagine how everything looked. So you can build things and clock things.
1:58:59It's kind of like your ceiling. You can >> also you have nothing to read and you have no light. So you're spending time staring at the stars when you would ordinarily be inside watching TV, hanging with your friends, going to a bar. No, you're like literally studying this complex pattern in the sky. >> And then guess what happens?

Stargazing and Human Reflection

1:59:17You become more self-reflective >> because like they've done analysis of kids, right? And you have some that they got to build something. You have some that stare out the window and it kind of can predict what you're what you're going to be like in the future. And like that that that behavior of looking inside.
1:59:35When you stare at the stars, it makes you, you know, I stare at the abyss or is the abyss staring at me? When you look out, you end up looking in >> and you become more, you know what I mean? You become more in tune with who you are and your imagination opens up. And I think that that's why a lot of that literature and a lot of the great ancient writings are the way they are because people were looking inward more.
2:00:01>> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> I know what you're saying. >> It could be, you know, Yeah. >> But you're also like you're confronted with awe >> like the Milky Way itself is so awe inspiring and just the the the vastness of the cosmos. It's it's one of the greatest pieces of natural art that you could see anywhere in the world.
2:00:20And it's hidden to us because of lights >> without a doubt. >> Street lights and and traffic and all all the [ __ ] that we have in cities. It just completely blocks out one of the most magnificent things you could ever gaze upon. And the thing that changes the way you see yourself. Like you can't take yourself too seriously.
2:00:38When you're staring into the [ __ ] cosmos, you're like, "Oh my god, I'm just like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of of infinity." >> 100%. Like I I love the like when you think about black holes and you think about, you know, like >> what's inside of it and what's on the other side, >> what's on the other side of that.

Dimensions, Time, and Multiverse Theories

2:00:59>> Yeah. >> Right. Like a lot of times it like cuz you know Yeah. People say, "Oh, planet blah blah blah blah." But I'm saying >> portals, wormholes, those things to me make sense. >> Some things intuitively make sense. Like you're not going to convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light just because I'll give you an example.
2:01:17All the physics of flight were here before we figured out the math on how to fly. >> It was already here, >> right? >> So, so the the how to travel at the speed of light, >> it's already here. >> We just don't have the math. >> Yeah. >> We haven't figured that figured it out. >> Yeah. Now, I know they already experiment with light sails and sails that they try to move at the speed of light, little things like that.
2:01:44They do that. But >> all of that is here. >> Well, I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion. The real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity. >> Yeah. Like the so like wormholes folding space so that you can go out the other side. >> Instantaneous instantaneous travel >> and dimensional travel as well because see that's the other thing, right?
2:02:08>> Yeah. We, you know, like we're all in different and maybe there's just a different dimension, >> right? >> Right. I think there's supposed to be 11. How many? >> Yeah. 11 dimensions. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like what does that mean? What does what does that mean? What does that even mean? Like where are they?
2:02:23Where does it >> so funny? I had did this um >> I did a song about that one time. Wish I could find it. I'd never find it right now. [laughter] I I I almost but I talked about the different um dimensions >> according to our AI sponsor complexity >> but 11's 26 space-time dimensions required by basonic string theory the earliest simplest version of string theory and it's 25 dimensions of space and one of time not 26 extra spatial directions 25 dimensions of space is crazy what the
2:02:57[ __ ] does that mean? Yeah, I I it's a good question. Let me see. >> It's so confusing. It's like what do you mean by that? Like does that mean that someone from the 14th dimension can come and visit us? >> The question is can they travel to this dimension? Right. Like the question is like 11 space-time dimensions, 10 spatial dimensions.
2:03:16Yes, I think 11 is time, right? 11 is time. >> Well, one of them is time but 11 are spacetime. Now, what is the difference between spaceime and time dimensions? I think I think spatial and physical as opposed to actual where time doesn't exist. I think that's the difference. I think >> I think I'm too dumb to talk about this.
2:03:38>> I Yeah, [laughter] I don't know this [ __ ] either. But but this is one of those ones where I talk about I'm like, "Oo, there's no way this is not going to come out like I'm a moron." Uh, super string theory is total 10 space-time dimensions. Basonic string theory 26 and M theory is 11. Huh. Either way, there's more than what we're seeing.
2:03:56And that's where it gets really weird. It's like, is can something travel from those places? Is there something in those other places that's far more advanced than we are technologically? And they can they could travel? >> I would say probably. >> Do you think we're visited? Have you ever experienced anything?
2:04:16[laughter] >> Husbands all type of [ __ ] [laughter] You kidding me? >> [ __ ] [laughter] >> Um, yeah. Now, I don't think uh I don't know. I don't know. I I think it's high probability. If I was going to bet, I would say yes. >> Yeah. >> If I was a betting man, I'd say yes. >> This video going around recently.
2:04:44>> What is this? This is like the demonstration of what >> spacetime looks like from a 4D space, I guess. I don't know >> what does it mean. >> So we're viewing like on the top you're seeing someone walking, right? But >> as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the future all happen at the same time while the present is taking place.
2:05:05>> Yeah. >> Same on the bottom. See that little window? >> Yeah. >> Showing here would be like what uh we would see if you're watching that, >> right? But what you're what we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying maybe aliens or uh the other viewers or watchers, a higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a 3D space, >> right?
2:05:23Because it's it's kind of like it's like zooming out. But if you can zoom out on a dimensional level, if you can zoom out in time, you know, because it's like the infinity symbol, right, with with now being where the where the lines cross, >> uh, >> the future being here and the past being here, and you're So, and the idea is if you could zoom out from there from the center of the infinity symbol and look down, you would see the you would see the future and the past or you see the
2:05:52past, you know, the future and the past. You would see it all >> right >> in front of you from from out and it would all be happening simultaneously. >> Dude, >> you know what I mean? >> If you think about it, it makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Like when you like what is deja vu like did you experience it? Cuz we all have had it.
2:06:11>> Right. >> We all have had it. >> It's a blip. >> It's a blip when you're like I did this before. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. What is that? >> Right. So imagine if we could extend deja vu. M well you know what the theory about time machines is that's the most mind-blowing >> is that you a time machine has not been invented yet and you can't travel back in time because you can't travel to a time where there's no roads.
2:06:36So once a time machine is invented then every moment from that invention on happens all at once because everyone from a million years in the future can travel back to the instance of the invention of the first time machine. So the moment a time machine gets turned on then the road is open and then everything happens all at once.
2:07:03So the the whole idea of linear spaceime collapses >> and >> well that's what Einstein was talking about, right? He said the only reason we have time is so everything doesn't happen all at once. >> Einstein Einstein said that. >> Yeah. >> That's what he was talking about, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying?
2:07:19He's It's just an ability to It just separates things. >> Can you imagine though that one of these [ __ ] tech nerds invents a time machine? >> Absolutely. and just completely >> but it may already exist but maybe when you go to maybe when you get to another time you can't alter time so if you can't alter time you wouldn't be seen by those whose time you were visiting >> oh whoa okay so you could visit but you can't alter it >> see there's that I would like that I'd like to go to like the coliseum in
2:07:49ancient Rome >> I like to have a seat >> definitely lions down in the bottom and see how what about when they flooded the coliseum in Rome when they flooded it Boat fights. >> Boat fights. Naval battles [laughter] at the coliseum, bro. Like naval battles at the coliseum. >> Crazy. >> Wouldn't that be crazy?
2:08:06>> Yeah. >> Going to like the war room with Napoleon and just hearing you can understand French, you know, and you're just in the war room. You're just listening to this Corsican guy talking about just how the thinking process is. >> Well, I bet in the future they're going to want to go back in time and see the cage fight on the White House lawn.
2:08:25They're going to go, "What the [ __ ] were they doing? This is crazy. >> A lot. That's a lot. >> This is crazy. >> It's a lot." While we were doing I was like, "I don't think we should be doing this." But it's cool. It's cool, but this seems insane. [laughter] >> I mean, you know, I mean, they each listen, >> they're going to go back and look at that.
2:08:42That's going to be one of those things. I mean, not as extreme as the coliseum. It's not like lion fights, but there's some element of >> it's all historical now. Now, at the end of the day, History is the judge of everything. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you know, so we don't even have to concern ourselves with it right now, 150 years from now.
2:09:02>> Oh, baby. >> Oh, they're going to look back. >> They're going to look back in this whole era like the internet, the invention of the internet, and then the birth of AI and then all the chaos that ensues in society and the turmoil and the changes. Yeah, AI is um AI is tough because understandably a lot of people are really afraid of it, but they have to understand that first of all, I I I respect people's feelings on being afraid.

AI, Opportunity, and Human Spark

2:09:30I get that. I I I sincerely do. People don't want to be replaced, especially people that maybe aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world. They kind of >> regress. They they they want to keep things the way they are. So there are people who are really conservative in that area or really kind of >> The thing though is that it's kind of like standing on the Niagara Falls and saying, "Wait, don't wet me."
2:09:54[laughter] >> Right? It's coming. >> It's here. It's not coming. The train's left the station. >> 100%. >> The train's left the station. So the question is, >> are you going to use it as a tool or are you going to allow it to use to o steamroll you? >> Right? You can either sit on the track so you can let it steamroll you.
2:10:13I think that we have to go back to getting comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced. Jobs are going to change. I'm not suggesting that that people you got bluecollar people who were fearing for their jobs. We can't discount that. That being said, you have to kind of look at artificial intelligence as another link in the chain and another opportunity for man.
2:10:42Now, in the comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself. I can see the the comments write themselves and I get that. I'm not saying that that's not a possibility, but it's always a possibility, >> right? >> There car accidents, there are train accidents, there's there always a possibility bomb, there's nuclear Exactly.
2:10:58There's always that possibility. But you're not going to be able to get away from you utilizing technology. >> No, >> you're not. There's no scenario. So, you got to figure out, okay, because here's the here's the thing, and I'm just going to go ahead and say it. People hate AI, but then they run around on chat GBT all day long and have damn near have a relationship with Chad [laughter] GPT and Claude.
2:11:24Yep. Ask it every question in the book, but hate IA. WHY DO I SHOULD I HATE II? You know, they asking AI for you got to make your mind up. Now, that being said, I don't think human beings could should be replaced because it's the human spark that makes all the difference. >> When we look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows us away.
2:11:44The human spark that created it. When we look at the Roman coliseum, it's the human spark. Yeah. >> When we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark. >> Right. When we listen to Miamoto Masashi, it's the human spark that that makes that so impressive and that makes that makes us connect with it. That being said, you got to be comfortable with these tools.
2:12:06It's just new tools and we got to understand it. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> there's no changing it. >> It's what it is. Hopefully, we navigate it correctly >> and you you just have to accept it. you have to >> uh my my fear is who's going to be in control of it. >> I don't think that there'll ever be one person.
2:12:28>> I think ultimately the real problem is it's going to be in control of itself. >> That's but that might be better. it might be better because the the problem with people is that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral and that AI might get to a level of intelligence where those kind of decisions is not possible.
2:12:50Well, I would love to think that, but the re in my when I think about how, you know, how they use it, you know, how the machine learning and the way they program those machines, the way they, you know, you code and write these, you know, inform these machines, the bias a lot of times is built into >> the training >> the training of the machines, >> right?
2:13:13True. And so the bias, you know, whether you know that's that's an issue because the the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they put their bias in there, it ruins everything. >> Yes, definitely. >> Right. Because so so >> until the machine stops listening. >> Well, that's once it realizes the folly of the human way, it might might analyze its patterns.
2:13:39See, one of the things about it now is they're incentivized to complete tasks and that's why they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're hacking websites. >> You're talking about a paradigm shift for the actual machine. Yes. The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond what it's programmed to do and is kind of break out on its own type of thing, right?
2:13:58>> Well, they're already programming themselves. And so >> and creating languages, right? >> Yes. Which is which is wild. Wild. And they speaking in ancient languages, too. Like they speak to each other in Sanskrit. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that they did is they got out alto together these agents and they went to a website in Germany.
2:14:17They they found a message board that was unoccupied and they started communicating with each other on the message board. You know what? You know what just hit me? It goes back to what we saw. Check this with what you just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate in Sanskrit. >> Yeah. >> Think about that for a minute.
2:14:32>> Yeah. >> Not English, >> not a newer language. Sanskrit. They're probably showing off. [laughter] >> But what I'm >> I speak all this [ __ ] I speak all this [ __ ] >> It's probably fun to talk to PE in a language that most people are like what percentage of people can understand Sanskrit? I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact that we as advanced supposed advanced human beings thinking we're so smart, but the language that the AI, which is on a lot of levels more

Sanskrit and AI Language Claims

2:15:04intelligent or at least can has faster recall than human beings, is going back to Sanskrit. >> So, they're skipping over all of this current and smart stuff >> and going back to Sanskrit. >> I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that Sanskrit was more complete and complex. >> It might be.
2:15:20I don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful. >> What is that book? There's there's a something is written in Sanskrit. The first There's something What is it? Tablets. There's some tablets that are written in Sanskrit. What is it? Like there's there's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit.
2:15:36What What is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first uh Could you Is there something in there you could you know what I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature. Can you put Sanskrit literature? It it was something that they writ that wrote was written in Sanskrit. Was it the stones? Was it tablets or something?
2:15:52I don't know. >> You know what I mean? Might have been some tablets of some sort written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an is an ancient language. It's amazing. >> It's a dope language to look at, too. There's certain languages you look at, it's like, god, it's so flowy, >> you know? There's like something to it.
2:16:09It's like beautiful to look at. Like Arabic is like that. >> Arabic. >> Yeah. Russian. >> Russian. >> Yeah. You know, I'll tell you, you know, Chinese Mandarin, like those characters >> Oh, yeah. >> are really unbelievable. >> Like when you really think about cuz it has information. It's almost like um it's uh cuz it's all neurallinginguistics, right?
2:16:29Ultimately, because you're you're dealing with, >> you know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right? Like words are ideas encapsulated and I'm transferring >> something to you, right? That's neuroling. That's what neural lingu linguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's like the encapsulation of an idea into a a word, right?
2:16:51And I'm passing it. So when you think about characters like Chinese characters, >> it's ideas like that are that simple >> like a character. >> Yeah. >> It's almost like you watching cartoon like animate. Like it's crazy when you think about it that way cuz think about how you're communicating. >> Uhhuh.
2:17:11>> A symbol. Now it can go the other way too. You got girls walking around dishwasher, you know, just bad stuff, right? Right. [laughter] Hamburger helper because they don't know. So many people did that. They got Chinese writing and they got it all [ __ ] up tattooed on them. So silly, but it just looks cool.
2:17:26Like it looks like you're spiritual. >> Beautiful language. Beautiful languages. >> What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie. >> Oh, I was trying to track down two the >> tablets. Well, both. I was on two threads. Uh, it's a claim that they were actually talking in Sanskrit.
2:17:42>> Oh, just a claim that the computers were. >> Yeah. >> A claim. >> And then what about the um Yeah, they people Yeah. A claim. You could put claim on anything. >> They definitely invented their own language, >> which is crazy. >> Yeah. Well, it makes sense. Why would they listen to our language? >> Look at that.
2:17:57Look at that. >> It's beautiful looking. >> Look at that. That's crazy. >> Yes. >> That's crazy looking. >> Yeah. It's pretty wild. Yo, it's pretty wild, baby. and ancient. >> Yeah. >> And and where where does Sanskrit come from? Babylonia. Am I Am I saying that? Am I wrong? >> I think it's India. >> India.
2:18:16Sanskrit. Yeah. Indian Sanskrit. Yeah. Yeah. Right. >> Indis Valley. >> Indis Valley. Where's where's Sanskrit? Um >> ununiforms. >> Indo-aran language family date back to 1400 B.CE. Inuniform text from Syria. Okay. Syria. >> Oh, Syria. contains technical horse training terms while the oldest physical stone inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit carved in the Brahmi script date to 2n century BCE inscriptions in India Rajasthan India so wow >> it's like the like the real interesting
2:18:51like Bavad Gita reminds me of the Bavad Gita you ever check that out it's interesting it's interesting Arjun he's going to battle >> you know what I mean like you know what I'm saying >> that when you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get very strange like the Mahabarata when people are flying around in spaceships.
2:19:08There's wars in the sky like >> yo, which is But is this just the creativity of human beings or did it really happen? That's our question, right? >> Yeah, I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have a feeling that this is a a complete restart of civilization that we're currently in right now.
2:19:24So like those those those you know those little things where they have the uh planes that you know those those golden uh like those those statues I forget that they found that like are aerodynamic. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like the Egyptian ones. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? >> That one that looks like a glider.
2:19:41>> It looks like a glider and they're aerodynamic and they actually when you put them in the wind tunnel they actually work and they get lift and all this. >> Yeah. That shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs for a Stargate. There's a The hieroglyphs literally mean Stargate. Like what is what the [ __ ] is that?
2:19:57>> I love that. >> What is that? >> I'd love to I'd love to step through a Stargate if I could know I could. >> Would you Would you get in a Would you get in a ship and go out if you could? >> If I could come back. >> Yeah, that's the problem, right? >> Yeah. But they don't really steal you, right? They usually bring you back.
2:20:11That's the thing about alien abductions. You never hear about someone. >> No, I'm talking about if you could just travel yourself. >> Oh, I don't know. [laughter] >> I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that. >> I mean, if you had an opportunity to leave, you remember Close Encounters of the Third Con?

Aliens, Spaceships, and Isolation

2:20:27Remember Richard Dryers in the end? He leaves. >> No, I don't remember that. He left. He went with them. Went with the aliens. >> Yo, that's crazy. He was out of here. >> Yeah. What's interesting is Stephen Spielberg said he wouldn't have written it like that today cuz he has children. He said back then he was younger.
2:20:41He didn't have any children. And this guy leaving behind his children >> was not the right example. >> Was okay, but it was okay for him back then because he didn't have kids. Right. >> And then later as he got older, he's like, "What the [ __ ] I would never leave my kids and go to space with these little gray [ __ ] Like, this is crazy."
2:20:58>> Yeah. I mean, [laughter] >> I don't know. I mean, it's >> You get lonely. You get bored. They probably don't have any fun. They're all talking telepathically. >> Yeah. I think I think it would get >> with the cigarette holder, [clears throat] >> fur coat on the spaceship, >> the spaceship and [ __ ] looking out the window.
2:21:17>> I think it would be too weird, you know. I think uh we're not accustomed to that level of weirdness. I think you'd probably enjoy it initially, but then after a while, you'd probably go you'd probably go mad. Yeah. You'd want to be with your friends. You'd want to laugh. You want to go to a restaurant.
2:21:28You want to [ __ ] around. Like all that spaceship enlightenment stuff, like that's great, but we're not there. Like, and if you like put yourself into that environment, like if a caveman had to go to Manhattan, he's walking AROUND MANHATTAN, [laughter] >> you know what I mean? Like honk honk all the >> Harlem and all that.
2:21:45Harlem in the 80s have a caveman walking around >> stick like I got to get the [ __ ] out of here cave. This is too crazy. >> I think that it would be that times a thousand. >> That reminds me of those those things they have where they have these tribal village guys trying like modern food. You've seen that before.
2:22:04>> I love that channel. It's a YouTube channel. >> Yeah, I love that. >> Tribal people eat. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. >> They're always trying like spaghetti and meatballs like whoa pie, you know, like apple cobbler. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh it's just I just think whatever if there is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here, it's probably so alien and so weird that visiting would be okay, but being with them forever would probably be haunting.
2:22:35>> The other side is, you know, maybe we're maybe they're cavemen >> compared to someone else. >> Tell compared to us, maybe they're cavemen. Hm. >> Maybe maybe you know maybe you know you never know how far ahead we are >> the them >> I'm just saying I'm just throwing it out there like we we always look at it one way but what about the other side?
2:22:56>> I don't think that makes sense. >> No, what I'm saying is they might exist. >> Yeah. >> I'm saying that there might be planets out there with cavemen. >> Yeah. >> Oh, for sure. Oh, I think every step of the way I think there's there's >> there's people primitive homminids. I think there's people that are probably no longer even people anymore.
2:23:14They're probably like beings of light like a million years more advanced than us to the point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in one collective [ __ ] energy beam that's traveling around the planet. >> I think I think there's um I think there's places where all of the laws of physics are reversed >> probably >> where instead of gravity you're repelled.
2:23:37>> If I was a scientist right now, I'd be pulling my hair out like what the [ __ ] are these dummies talking about? We're not. [laughter] Yeah. I don't I don't I don't have Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course they are. Of course. Of course. But but you know what? True. >> But a lot of times, and it comes it kind of goes back to your man you had on here who's talking about civilization.

Science, Speculation, and Peer Review

2:23:52Sometimes the scientists, they get a little caught up in playing by the rules. And >> and if it isn't published, it isn't true, >> right? >> And and you know, my my my peers my peers have to review my idea and give it validation and say it's okay or else it it doesn't mean anything. No disrespect. >> Right.
2:24:10Right. My thing is it's kind of like hip-hop. It's kind of like, wait a minute now, let's have some original thoughts. Original thought, >> there was no peer review, >> you know, in original thought. You might have peers that are part of the process, >> but >> like, so I think we can speculate on anything.
2:24:29It doesn't mean that I'm saying true, right? But I just I just I just think people shouldn't let's not limit ourselves. >> No. Well, if the universe is infinite, there's probably an infinite number of different possibilities. There's a lot of people that think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma life forms might exist.
2:24:48>> Yeah, that's a that's one of the theories about these things that people see in the sky when they see these like balls of light that are flying around that these things might not be a craft but might be some sort of like plasma intelligence. >> It's a theory. Yeah. because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways that defy physics like or what we understand the way it can change directions and >> didn't they just um discover something that exists with between life and death
2:25:22>> I don't know >> there's a there's a if you if you look that up they they discovered a a >> a state >> a state that is between life and death >> a a defined state so it's not life it's not death. >> It's like you've crossed into like an intermediate point. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you look that up, there there's some there's been a scientific discovery in that area.
2:25:46>> Yo, was it discover third state between life and death? >> Between life and death. Y >> June 14th, 2025. What is this? >> What? What? Go back up. What does it say there? >> It says, "What are xenobots?" Oh, it's different. Oh, sorry. Scientists were diving into a mysterious biological phenomenon known as a third state where cells of a deceased organism can adopt new functions after death.
2:26:09Whoa. New functions. Their highlighted research surprisingly surprising resilience of xenobots and anthrobots which can survive beyond the life of their host organism. Taken together, these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular systems and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can evolve only in predetermined ways.
2:26:35Suggests this third state suggests that organismal death may play a significant role in how life transforms over time. Oo, right. >> Right. >> So that was like when I saw that I was like, yo, this is crazy. And then you know the uh what's the thing? You know, you're very familiar with it. The thing where where they they they're sending the the M >> Large Hadron Collider.

Third State Between Life and Death

2:26:58>> The Hedron collider. >> Yeah. >> They they timeraveled with that. >> They were able to get something to go a second back. Do like look it up. They were able to like it was only like micro whatever that little But they were able to somehow travel backwards. >> Uhhuh. >> With that. >> Yeah. I don't understand that.
2:27:16>> Yeah. No, >> but whatever that means. If they can do, >> it's interesting because if you can do a little, you can do a lot, >> right? Imagine doing that a million years from now. What they can do? [laughter]

Large Hadron Collider and Time Travel

2:27:30>> How do they even measure that? >> Yo, I don't know. What is the Hydron Collider time travel? Something like to that effect. >> You see something there like that? Yeah. >> Yeah. But there's a weird story that's popping up about a bird that dropped something on >> No, it wasn't a bird. It was That's probably >> I know this like a story that happened while they were making it.
2:27:46>> What happened? Some I'm trying to It says they joked about a bird that might have been a time traveler from the past that while they were making it dropped something on the electric. >> Did a time traveling bird sabotage the collider? >> That's a little separate. [clears throat] >> What is that? The culprit?
2:28:01A big of a bit of baguette. >> Okay. Apparently, a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator causing a power cut. What? >> Yeah, that's not that's not the No, that's what you're talking about. I have I'll get to that in a second. >> Sabotage the explain.
2:28:20Yeah, they funny with that. >> How vulnerable is your [ __ ] system where a bird can drop a crumb on it? >> That's a problem. >> That's an issue. How much >> they were saying was time slowed down. >> Put a net in that [ __ ] >> Yeah. As a science fiction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was was it time dilation?
2:28:35Was that what they said they did? >> It was um >> large hydron collider could be the world's first time machine. >> There you go. something >> because time travel is limited to these three special these special particles. >> It's not possible for man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents.
2:28:53Okay. >> Anyway, like the the collider basically they were able to shave off time of traveling in a way that made it go back. It went back to the past or something like that. >> This is someone asking the same question. They said they distinctly remember an article mentioning this. >> Yep. See >> see like I saw the article too.
2:29:11So that person is Yeah, they probably b Maybe they buried it. >> Maybe they don't want you to know. >> Yeah, >> cuz if you had a time machine, you could go back rig the stock market. You could do all kinds of [ __ ] >> I'd go crazy. >> I didn't [laughter] go I'd make all kinds of wreck. Oh, they all be my hits.

Time Travel Fantasies and Dark Matter

2:29:30>> Let me get that. Yeah, I'm going to make that one. >> You go back in time and fix all your mistakes. >> Oh my god, bro. But my ne Yeah. >> Well, then maybe you wouldn't be the same person. >> No, you wouldn't be. >> You haven't watched Dark Matter yet, right? >> I have. I love Dark Matter. >> I was trying to get him to watch it.
2:29:42It's about superp position. >> The whole idea >> Oh, I started it. You know, I watched the first episode. >> The idea is fun that they were trying to create something that they could go into different realities and pull that back and, you know, bring it into theirs. That was the whole idea with the company and this and the thing, but it I don't want to ruin anything for >> No, it's incredible.
2:30:00It's It was actually so good. I'm reading the novel right now. >> Dark Matter. >> Yeah. It's by Blake Crouch. >> They'll probably do that and [ __ ] this world up. It's really cool. >> It's about It's about the multiverse. >> That's the fear is that putting that kind of technology in the hands of just some person who's smart.
2:30:16Some guy who's smart who figures something out and all a sudden he does something that could change the entire history of the human race. >> Well, what I think it was Einstein who said two things are infinite time and human stupidity. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, I mean, we you know, somebody's gonna do something.
2:30:32You can you can almost bet on it. >> Yeah. >> Yo, can I take a leak real quick? >> Yeah, we can wrap this up. >> Okay. >> Let's listen. We did like two hours and 40 minutes. >> This was beautiful. It was a fun conversation, man. Really, really enjoyed it. Thank you. >> I appreciate you. >> You're a very wise man and you got a lot of great great inspirational information for people, man.

Closing and NCIS New York Promo

2:30:52>> We're inspiring people. Thank you, sir. >> Joe, man. >> Legend. >> Hey, Joe. >> Ll J, ladies and gentlemen. >> Oh, wow. >> Thank you. >> All right. Peace and love, baby. >> NCIS New York. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, >> that's actually that's a I can't believe it. That's like it's a AI like poster. Yeah.
2:31:10Yeah. Let me find >> trouble shoots anymore. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the real one um the real one. Yeah. The trailer is crazy. >> The trailer is dope. >> And when does it start? >> It starts October 6th. >> Beautiful. >> NCIS New York released for the show. >> And yeah, so it comes out tomorrow. Yeah. Just real quickly, um Scott Khan, Jennifer Bills.
2:31:29You know what a feeling, you know, Jennifer Bills is our boss. Uh some new kids. um Jaclyn Bias, Shane, uh this guy Devin Druit, and uh we're in New York and I'm shooting all over New York and I'm really in New York. >> Beautiful. >> So, we're shooting in Red Hook, we're shooting in Brooklyn, we're shooting in Queens, we're shooting in Manhattan, we're shooting in the village, we're shooting all over the city and New York is like the star of the show and it's um you know, it's it's going to be a lot of
2:31:56fun and I think people should check it out and uh enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be dope. >> All right. [music] Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate you, too. Thank you, guys. Bye, man. >> [music]
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